Ban the AR-15 from Civilian Ownership :-O

[SF1900]

We shouldn't take opinions seriously from others who are completely destroying their countries with mass immigration and Orwellian laws. If they had their shit together maybe they would be worth listening to.

Logical Fallacy. You're diverting attention away from the topic. Mass immigration and gun ownership/control MAY be related topics in some shape or form, but they are also mutually exclusive topics. You can be an expert on gun ownership, and know nothing about immigration and vice versa.

Again, the argument/debate (whatever you want to call it), is either supported by strong facts or data or its not. If it's not, it should be discarded, no matter who it comes from. A critical, rationale mind doesn't automatically discard an argument because the person happens to be from Europe. That is just immature and silly. Furthermore, there are many people from Europe and other countries who visit and study in the US and take a great interest in our culture. They do not have to actually live here to form an opinion.

For what it's worth, I have no stake in the gun debate. My stance has nothing to do with whether or not Europeans love or hate guns. My sole proposition is that an argument stands on its own two feet based on the evidence, irrespective of where it comes from.

[Never1AShow]

I have my opinion: there is no place for assault weapons in a civilized society. But I know banning all guns is not going to happen.  Other countries have regulations of one sort or another, and don't have the mass shootings we do.  We can do something about this problem.

Why all this debate?  People who want to ban guns are simply pussies, case closed.

[delta9mda]

As a gun owner, I believe stricter gun laws are needed. But this is stupid. So cars kill a shit load of people. Are we banning those now too ?

lets enforce the 1000's of gun laws on the books first

[DroppingPlates]

As a gun owner, I believe stricter gun laws are needed. But this is stupid. So cars kill a shit load of people. Are we banning those now too ?

You have guns and GUNS. Is life in Texas really that dangerous that you need a weapon like this?

[Ropo]

A petition already has been started.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-ar-15-civilian-ownership

Guns in America is a complicated issue for many reasons. However, the AR-15 is the weapon of choice for Domestic Terrorists and others who wish to kill and harm people quickly and efficiently. It serves no other purpose other than to accomplish this. Banning this gun will show that we can act on this issue. It will have symbolic weight while also making one small step forward on dealing with this epidemic.

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http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/nobody_needs_an_ar_15_the_orlando_massacre_teaches_us_again_that_we_must_ban_semi_automatic_human_killing_machines/

Nobody needs an AR-15: The Orlando massacre teaches us (again) that we must ban semi-automatic human killing machines. Do it now: Congress must ban military-style weapons and make it harder for terrorists to act on their hate

We’ve had yet another horrific mass shooting. In fact, it’s the worst mass shooting in American history. More than fifty people were killed and many more wounded in a nightclub that catered to gay people in Orlando Florida. At the moment I’m writing this, what we know is that these murders were carried out by an American Muslim by the name of Omar Mateen, the son of Afghan immigrants who was born in New York 29 years ago. We know that he called 911 during the killing and reportedly pledged allegiance to ISIS and mentioned the Tsarnaev brothers (who were not ISIS, for what it’s worth). We know the FBI had been aware of some radical connections and jihadist “leanings” and had interviewed him in the past. His father reported that he was an angry homophobe. His ex-wife said he was a violent domestic abuser who was mentally unstable. He was a hate-filled, violent piece of work.

Just exactly how you will ban them from the illegal markets? All you ever can do, is ban the guns of the law abiding citizens, because for criminals, terrorists etc. law doesn't mean anything. This is the main point in all gun ban/gun law dilemma. What do you benefit if you take a guns from the people who use them to uphold the laws? Depending the source, in the USA guns are used in self defend up to 2000 000 times per year, but the gun is fired only ~1500 times, and from those 1500 times only 20% of these cases it mean a lost of life. This statistic is only where your gun ban would make a difference, but only to worse. And what makes you think that bad people will give their guns away? If you want to make an example, why don't you seek out the clubhouse of local hells angels and go there to ask if they would give their guns to you? Make sure that you get someone to shoot a video from that meeting, and ask if your folks put it in the YouTube after your funerals  

What the good people of USA should do, is simple:

1. Allow guns to any adult citizen, but only if he passes through the background check.

2. If the citizen has a criminal record from something else than speeding, don't allow him to have a gun.

3. Shoot all of them, who don't have a gun.

This is only way to fix the current situation, because any libtard nonsense doesn't work at all.

[SF1900]

Just exactly how you will ban them from the illegal markets? All you ever can do, is ban the guns of the law abiding citizens, because for criminals, terrorists etc. law doesn't mean anything. This is the main point in all gun ban/gun law dilemma. What do you benefit if you take a guns from the people who use them to uphold the laws? Depending the source, in the USA guns are used in self defend up to 2000 000 times per year, but the gun is fired only ~1500 times, and from those 1500 times only 20% of these cases it mean a lost of life. This statistic is only where your gun ban would make a difference, but only to worse. And what makes you think that bad people will give their guns away? If you want to make an example, why don't you seek out the clubhouse of local hells angels and go there to ask if they would give their guns to you? Make sure that you get someone to shoot a video from that meeting, and ask if your folks put it in the YouTube after your funerals  

What the good people of USA should do, is simple:

1. Allow guns for any adult citizen, but only if he passes through the background check.

2. If the citizen has a criminal record from something else than speeding, don't allow him to have a gun.

3. Shoot all of them, who don't have a gun.

This is only way to fix the current situation, because any libtard nonsense doesn't work at all.

Why are you asking me how guns will be banned from the illegal market?  All I did was post the stories. People are free to make whatever they like of them.

[Svengoolie]

All the people who didn't have an opinion about guns before this past weekend and are crying about it now will go back to not caring and their regularly scheduled narcissist instagramming and snapchatting shortly. The phony self righteousness makes me sick.

[Pray_4_War]

All this does is take guns out of the hands of people who obey laws.  People who obey laws don't go around shooting up places and killing people.  Crazy people do.

The cops and the crooks and the terrorists will all continue to be well armed.  Meanwhile, the average citizen will completely at their mercy.

This shit has nothing to do with mass shootings.  Certain people have wanted guns to be banned for a long time.  They see this gay club shooting as an opportunity to sway the average idiot to agree with them.

FUCK.  THAT.  SHIT.

[rocket]

It is too late for the US, you guys just need to accept your losses.  There is no other way of looking at it logically.  There is the political viewpoint which must always "suggest" action, but the cold truth is this, when you have 300 million guns in a country that big and you can buy ammo at your local sportstore, you have precisely zero chance of stopping this from happening on occasion.  

It will happen, end of story.  

All you can do is carry, yourself and maybe you might save someone.

But all in all, more carries probably means more gun deaths, so.. vicious circle

I'd carry if I were in the US.  That'd be my response to this.  Not "ban guns" - too late for that, too many people feel entitled to it and too hard to pull it off anyway.

[_bruce_]

Don't give in - fight for your right to have some real firepower.

[_aj_]

Don't give in - fight for your right to have some real firepower.

Don't worry.

The popular meme is "if I had 18 guns and Hillary banned 12 of them, how many would I have? That's right, 18!"

[Sokolsky]

Yet there are 100 times more mass shootings in the US than in any other country. Propose a solution.  Or just state that it's collateral damage we have to live with for you to own your toys.

There is no solution.

Radicals and lunatics are some of the most inventive people on this planet, because they have nothing else to do but achieve whatever it is they set their mind to. It's why people 'some how' manage to acquire guns in supposedly 'gun-free' countries, and why incidents such as 9/11, Brussels, Paris, etc. took place.

How many tons of cocaine are found every month? How many tons of chemicals for other drugs? How many tons of weapons? How many illegal immigrants? How many human traffickers? How many endangered species? How many acres of forest are illegally cut down? How much chemical waste dumped?

You're being a dumb fuck for focussing on the rights of citizens, thinking you're going to impact the black market or the intent of deranged individuals and groupings.

[Thong Maniac]

You want to see the true carnage of half a billion guns in the hands of a hundred million patriots? Please, please "ban guns". I'm begging you. Do it, fags. Let's see what you've really got. Let's get it the fuck on.

oh boy, AJs posts are almost as cringe worthy as Coach

[Marlo Stanfield]

ur kidding right?
do people go and buy a car with the intent of killing as many people as they can with it?  smh

does everyone that buy an AR-15 go and kill 49 people? But to answer you, yes, wasnt there a chick in las vegas who on purpose ran her car into the sidewalk a few months ago?(found the link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-hit/)

So what now? ban cars?

the problem isnt guns, cars, knoves, bats etc, the problem is people. You can buy rat poison to kill rats, or you can buy it to drug a person and kill them. You can buy blach to wash your tighty whities, or you can buy bleach and force it down the throt of a child as torture (happened a few years ago)...the list goes on and on.

[_aj_]

oh boy, AJs posts are almost as cringe worthy as Coach

Ok genius. You want to have an actual debate on guns here in the open? Your move.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry.  It took weeks of planning (and probably a lot of help) for Timothy McVeigh to fill the back of a rental van with fertilizer

I find it very telling that's the only thing you choose to respond to. And your comment is totally irrelevant. Mass destruction can and will happen without firearms. People are more likely to be beaten to death with hands & fists than to ever be shot with an AR15
facts are facts. Any " ban " on firearms will be symbolic and will do absolutely NOTHING to prevent mass shootings and stem the tide of gun violence.

 

[Tom]

every single person who is pro-gun rights, the 2nd amendment.... personally i think the issue is that EVERYONE, i repeat EVERYONE thinks they are quote "normal".. and "i would never do bad stuff, hurt anyone, kill anyone" and so on..

well obviously NOT EVERYONE IS NORMAL! it's like driving... if you asked 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000 and so on "every single person, every single one of them says "yeah, no one knows how to drive!' well OBVIOUSLY not all of them can be right! obviously some of the people who say this are indeed THE ONES THAT DON"T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! now do they not know this about themselves is the question or they do know this but are narcissist with issues...

that's my analogy with gun owners.... all we ever hear about is the mass shootings, but their are literally shots fired, murders every single day.... random killings, parents killed, children killed, husbands killed, wives killed, boyfriend and girlfriend and so on... were all those gun owners because they were quote "law abiding" also quote "normal with rational behavior?" i don't think so....

course, how does one regulate people and their behavior? and say you are "normal" and you can buy a gun and you sir or madam are NOT "normal" and i will not sell you a gun? huge infringement rights on others it would be, even though it is true and would be needed....


psych evaluations should be done for all gun owners..... and more emphasis on the black market selling and trading of guns, destroying these illegal guns, stopping that business, no selling of anyone on the watch list of any watch list and other factors should ALL be used to stem this tide...

[drkaje]

but mass shooting are continuing and increasing

What definition of "mass shooting" are you using?

[_aj_]

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every single person who is pro-gun rights, the 2nd amendment.... personally i think the issue is that EVERYONE, i repeat EVERYONE thinks they are quote "normal".. and "i would never do bad stuff, hurt anyone, kill anyone" and so on..

well obviously NOT EVERYONE IS NORMAL! it's like driving... if you asked 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000 and so on "every single person, every single one of them says "yeah, no one knows how to drive!' well OBVIOUSLY not all of them can be right! obviously some of the people who say this are indeed THE ONES THAT DON"T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE! now do they not know this about themselves is the question or they do know this but are narcissist with issues...

that's my analogy with gun owners.... all we ever hear about is the mass shootings, but their are literally shots fired, murders every single day.... random killings, parents killed, children killed, husbands killed, wives killed, boyfriend and girlfriend and so on... were all those gun owners because they were quote "law abiding" also quote "normal with rational behavior?" i don't think so....

course, how does one regulate people and their behavior? and say you are "normal" and you can buy a gun and you sir or madam are NOT "normal" and i will not sell you a gun? huge infringement rights on others it would be, even though it is true and would be needed....


psych evaluations should be done for all gun owners..... and more emphasis on the black market selling and trading of guns, destroying these illegal guns, stopping that business, no selling of anyone on the watch list of any watch list and other factors should ALL be used to stem this tide...

All those words just to prove that you are a retard.

[spiro]

Why would a man want to ban guns. It's in our DNA  to cherish the right to protect ourselves and our families. You have more chance of getting struck by lightening then getting caught up in a mass shooting. I've never left my house and felt scared I was going to be shot and I live in the South everyone owns a gun. It should make men sick to think of having this right stripped. Liberal men act just like women. God I hate liberals whiney pussies.

[Never1AShow]

Banning guns all boils down to weakness.  Scared fearful little mice.  Stand up and be a man.  Don't be scared of a piece of metal.  Please understand the Riddle of Steel.  Have you not watched Conan at least 5 times?

Seriously, arguing with obvious trolls and morons over the Internet, what is the point?  They aren't trying to understand, just get a rise.

[oldtimer1]

The Orlando shooter didn't use an AR-15. He used a Sig Sauer MCX.

[Pray_4_War]

The Orlando shooter didn't use an AR-15. He used a Sig Sauer MCX.

Which shares no parts with an AR-15.  It kinda sorta looks like an AR-15, but it isn't one.

Regardless, nuts and bad guys will always be able to get guns.  The only people that gun laws affect are regular citizens.  

The cops, the crooks, the nuts, and the Jihadists will continue to be armed to the teeth.   Thus, regular citizens will be severely out-gunned and completely at their mercy.

This is not acceptable to me.

[HTexan]

You have guns and GUNS. Is life in Texas really that dangerous that you need a weapon like this?

The world is dangerous, anybody that thinks it isn't is either native or stupid.
But, to answer your patronizing question,  it depends were you live in Texas. Texas is a big place.
The border areas are literally the Wild West. Houston and Jacksonville is fucked with crime, go down the wrong street you might end up dead. Kind of like Japan. 
Austin is great, if you stay out of the east side "barrio". Oh, and 6th st is party city,  full of college drunks so fights and thief happen. The biggest threat is Austin is the shitty drivers, the hit bikes and people all the time.  I never conceal carry in Austin. My job requires me to travel sometimes so I Only Conceal carry when I travel now.

[Raymondo]

The world is dangerous, anybody that thinks it isn't is either native or stupid.
But, to answer your patronizing question,  it depends were you live in Texas. Texas is a big place.
The border areas are literally the Wild West. Houston and Jacksonville is fucked with crime, go down the wrong street you might end up dead. Kind of like Japan. 
Austin is great, if you stay out of the east side "barrio". Oh, and 6th st is party city,  full of college drunks so fights and thief happen. The biggest threat is Austin is the shitty drivers, the hit bikes and people all the time.  I never conceal carry in Austin. My job requires me to travel sometimes so I Only Conceal carry when I travel now.

So when in Houston best bring an AR-15?