It took them just X minutes to buy an AR-15!

[SF1900]

The shooter in Orlando used a Sig Sauer MCX, not an AR-15.

[240 is Back]

Crystal Method hell yes

I worked so fcking fast today.   Don't know why I didn't think of this sooner.  Get busy child. 

[Straw Man]

Do people really believe if guns were outlawed altogether mass shootings would stop?

Have they looked at gang violence in Mexico? Chicago? Anywhere?

No one believes that and I don't recall anyone every claiming that (though perhaps someone who is stupid has said that)

What most believe is that preventing access to this type of gun might slightly less carnage when one of these nutbags decides to commit mass murder (same concept behind banning high capacity magazines)

That's pretty much all that banning these types of guns can do

[drkaje]

The shooter in Orlando used a Sig Sauer MCX, not an AR-15.

Facts have no place in this discussion. 

[Straw Man]

Facts have no place in this discussion. 

isn't it a derivative of the AR-15  and also shoots the same .223 caliber round capable of piercing a metal helmet at 500 yards. (per the aricle below)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356

[NarcissisticDeity]

No one believes that and I don't recall anyone every claiming that (though perhaps someone who is stupid has said that)

What most believe is that preventing access to this type of gun might slightly less carnage when one of these nutbags decides to commit mass murder (same concept behind banning high capacity magazines)

That's pretty much all that banning these types of guns can do

And what most believe is factually inaccurate.. because? Vast majority of gun deaths are due to...................... ........................ ........................ fucking pistols. Please know what you're talking about before typing or run the risk of trying to be topical on subject you're clueless on.

[Straw Man]

And what most believe is factually inaccurate.. because? Vast majority of gun deaths are due to...................... ........................ ........................ fucking pistols. Please know what you're talking about before typing or run the risk of trying to be topical on subject you're clueless on.

try to pay attention

I never said this rifle was used in the vast majority of gun deaths did I?

I said that the intent of banning it was to reduce the level of carnage when one of these nutbags decides to commit mass murder

If the shooter in Orlando was using a hand gun I'd bet there wouldn't be 49 dead and 50 or so injured

from the article I just posted

In the incidents below the carnage would likely have been less (perhap much less)  if the shooters could only have used a hand gun

In all, an AR-15 style rifle has been used in at least 10 recent mass shootings — including at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and a work party in San Bernardino, California.

[NarcissisticDeity]

try to pay attention

I never said this rifle was used in the vast majority of gun deaths did I?

I said that the intent of banning it was to reduce the level of carnage when one of these nutbags decides to commit mass murder

If the shooter in Orlando was using a hand gun I'd bet there wouldn't be 49 dead and 50 or so injured

The intent is wrong for above stated reasons.

If the shooter in Orlando was using a hand gun I'd bet there wouldn't be 49 dead and 50 or so injured

You know nothing Jon Snow ,  2 Glock 17s with 33 round magazines you'd be wrong. Virginia Tech 33 dead , 17 wounded , two pistols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

In all, an AR-15 style rifle has been used in at least 10 recent mass shootings — including at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and a work party in San Bernardino, California.

10 shootings out of 30,000 WOW that's a PANDEMIC  vast majority of " mass shootings " happen with pistols , it's NOT debatable it's a fact. Banning AR15s had NO negligible effect on murders done with firearms

Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds

[Straw Man]

The intent is wrong for above stated reasons.

You know nothing Jon Snow ,  2 Glock 17s with 33 round magazines you'd be wrong. Virginia Tech 33 dead , 17 wounded , two pistols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

10 shootings out of 30,000 WOW that's a PANDEMIC  vast majority of " mass shootings " happen with pistols , it's NOT debatable it's a fact. Banning AR15s had NO negligible effect on murders done with firearms

Gun violence in US has fallen dramatically over past 20 years, Justice Dept. report finds

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18108298-gun-violence-in-us-has-fallen-dramatically-over-past-20-years-justice-dept-report-finds

thanks for making my point again

Your chart doesn't even list "mass shootings"

Per you Wiki link its says the Virginia Tech shooters used two guns: "a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun" and that he had "10- and 15-round magazines"

Clearly its still possible to kill many unarmed people who are cornered in a room with no escape just using a couple of hand guns

How many more people could this guy have killed or severely injured with an AR-15 or similar type of rifle?

Again, my point being that the only intent of banning these guns is to LESSEN the carnage of a mass shooting event

It won't stop these events

It won't prevent someone from still killing many people, especially if they are corned is a room with no escape

All it would do is potentially lessen the carnage

[NarcissisticDeity]

thanks for making my point again

Your chart doesn't even list "mass shootings"

Per you Wiki link its says the Virginia Tech shooters used two guns: "a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun" and that he had "10- and 15-round magazines"

Clearly its still possible to kill many unarmed people who are cornered in a room with no escape just using a couple of hand guns

How many more people could this guy have killed or severely injured with an AR-15 or similar type of rifle?

Again, my point being that the only intent of banning these guns is to LESSEN the carnage of a mass shooting event

It won't stop these events

It won't prevent someone from still killing many people, especially if they are corned is a room with no escape

All it would do is potentially lessen the carnage

Again, my point being that the only intent of banning these guns is to LESSEN the carnage of a mass shooting event

I get the point you're attempting to make , however most " mass shootings " are done with pistols and on the super rare occasions they're done with rifles the carnage would be less? So this is a selling point to infringe on people's rights? We know for a fact that the original assault weapons ban had zero impact on gun violence specifically because they're almost never used.

http://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/6#97

[Nails]

how long would it take a black man or rag head at that same shop to buy one 

[NarcissisticDeity]

how long would it take a black man or rag head at that same shop to buy one 

Money is color blind 

[Walter Sobchak]

Ban "Safe Zones".

They are a much bigger hazard to your health than any of these liberal assholes who don't even know how to hold a weapon

[Nails]

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ban "Safe Zones".

They are a much bigger hazard to your health than any of these liberal assholes who don't even know how to hold a weapon

Great point http://nypost.com/2016/06/15/why-terrorists-target-gun-free-zones/

[NarcissisticDeity]

He's a contractor  Black Water , Vietnam , Code Name Agent Orange 

[Straw Man]

I get the point you're attempting to make , however most " mass shootings " are done with pistols and on the super rare occasions they're done with rifles the carnage would be less? So this is a selling point to infringe on people's rights? We know for a fact that the original assault weapons ban had zero impact on gun violence specifically because they're almost never used.

http://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/6#97

yes, that is the point

not having one of these guns means less people might be killed

I'm not buying the claim that your rights are being infringed if you can't have an AR-15 or similar type of gun

No specific type of gun is mentioned in the constitution and since there are already a long list of weapons you can't own then from that perspective your rights are already being infringed.

[Straw Man]

Ban "Safe Zones".

They are a much bigger hazard to your health than any of these liberal assholes who don't even know how to hold a weapon

there was at least one armed off duty LE (the link below says officers so perhaps more than one) at the club in Orlando

http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-16/when-armed-guard-isnt-enough-venues-clubs-review-security-after-orlando

[Walter Sobchak]

yes, that is the point

not having one of these guns means less people might be killed

I'm not buying the claim that your rights are being infringed if you can't have an AR-15 or similar type of gun

No specific type of gun is mentioned in the constitution and since there are already a long list of weapons you can't own then from that perspective your rights are already being infringed.

There is an absolute ban on guns in Chicago.

How is that working?

Sure are a lot of clumsy fuckers tripping, falling on bullets, and dying every day....

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, that is the point

not having one of these guns means less people might be killed

I'm not buying the claim that your rights are being infringed if you can't have an AR-15 or similar type of gun

No specific type of gun is mentioned in the constitution and since there are already a long list of weapons you can't own then from that perspective your rights are already being infringed.

yes, that is the point

not having one of these guns means less people might be killed

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

I'm not buying the claim that your rights are being infringed if you can't have an AR-15 or similar type of gun

Well that's fucking handy because I'm not fucking selling it. It's a fact. In the Heller case, Justice Antonin Scalia suggested that the Second Amendment would pose no barrier to outlawing weapons that are not in common use and especially dangerous.

Unconstitutional to ban them because they are very much in common use and not especially dangerous. AR15 is one of the most popular rifles ever made.

No specific type of gun is mentioned in the constitution and since there are already a long list of weapons you can't own then from that perspective your rights are already being infringed.

Like free speech it's a right that can be limited or infringed upon. Attempting to ban a firearm used in less than 1-FUCKING-percent of all murders with a firearm is just fucking stupid and Unconstitutional and considering it was NEVER fucking " banned " in the first place only cosmetic features they've doubled down in their stupidity.

People like you ( ignorant ) don't have a say in the matter , it's how we got here in the first place.

[240 is Back]

You know nothing Jon Snow

you just gave me that warm feeling, not in the cockles of my heart, but in that sub-cockles area.

[NarcissisticDeity]

" Hey Moron , Fucking Moron "

How would my " banned " AR15 be any less lethal? Riddle Me This Batman?

[Straw Man]

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

Well that's fucking handy because I'm not fucking selling it. It's a fact. In the Heller case, Justice Antonin Scalia suggested that the Second Amendment would pose no barrier to outlawing weapons that are not in common use and especially dangerous.

Unconstitutional to ban them because they are very much in common use and not especially dangerous. AR15 is one of the most popular rifles ever made.

Like free speech it's a right that can be limited or infringed upon. Attempting to ban a firearm used in less than 1-FUCKING-percent of all murders with a firearm is just fucking stupid and Unconstitutional and considering it was NEVER fucking " banned " in the first place only cosmetic features they've doubled down in their stupidity.

People like you ( ignorant ) don't have a say in the matter , it's how we got here in the first place.

I used the word "might" as in there might be less carnage

[Straw Man]

" Hey Moron , Fucking Moron "

How would my " banned " AR15 be any less lethal? Riddle Me This Batman?

I say lets ban all of them and find out what happens

Worst case you just cry like a bitch because you don't have  your favorite gun to play with and that would be good enough for me

[Zillotch]

I call it good customer service.

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