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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

Paedophilia is a “sexual orientation” like being straight or gay, according to a criminal psychologist.

The idea that sexual attraction to children is an “orientation” is highly controversial as it suggests that offenders cannot change.

But, writing on the Reddit networking website, the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.


The psychologist set up the “ask me anything” thread on Reddit. Their identity was not revealed but was verified by the website.

Asked “can paedophiles actually change?”, the expert wrote: “I believe Paedophilic Disorder is a sexual orientation with individual that are attracted to child features. In other words, an individual with paedophilia has the same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male, or a homosexual feels towards their same gender.

“With that being said, it needs to be said that sexuality is more of a spectrum than a finite category. We know that heterosexuals may engage in homosexual behaviour, and deny they are bisexual or homosexual.

We know that individuals with paedophilia may engage in sexual behaviour with adults. For some, they may use this as a cognitive distortion to explain away their sexualisation of prepubescent children.”

However the psychologist stressed in a later edit that they had not mean to imply paedophiles could not be treated – to an extent.

“Treatment, to me, isn’t about modifying the orientation per se, but getting the individual to find more appropriate behaviours to engage in,” they wrote.

“An individual can have paedophilic interests without ever acting on these behaviourally. However, as I am working with criminal offenders, my experience is entirely weighted to those who have engaged in this behaviourally.”

The psychiatrist said they focused on three main areas when trying to treat a child sex abuser: “One, do you understand who can and can't provide consent? How will you go through and identify this? Two, can you identify the risks or situations which would increase when you engage in sexual activity with someone who can't provide consent? How can you avoid these or limit them? Three, what can you focus on positive in your life which can replace or mitigate when you may be most likely to offend? What are some things you can do which are adaptive and help you in the long run?”

In May 2015, research from the National Crime Agency suggested 250,000 men in the UK could be considered "true paedophiles" - adults who are attracted to pre-pubescent girls less than 12 years old.

Talking to The Independent in the wake of the research, one psychologist working said they should be treated as victims rather than offenders.

“It is a disease, it is a trait, it is not a choice. They haven’t chosen to change, but they can learn how to live responsibly with their sexual desires," Petya Schuhmann, who works with a scheme in Germany called Project Dunkelfeld, which allows individuals to anonymously contact therapists who help them control their sexual urges towards children.

Last year, a self-confessed paedophile, Todd Nickerson, a freelance graphic designer from Tennessee, caused uproar after writing an article asking people to be understanding of his "sexual orientation".

Called I'm a paedophile, you're the monsters, the piece explained how he believed his molestation as a child was the reason he is now sexually attracted to young girls. He also mentioned his membership of the "Virtuous Paedophiles" forum - an online community of paedohpiles who have vowed never to act on their sexual urges.

In July 2010, the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated that "paedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges".

The idea of treating paedophilia as a disease has long been controversial.

In 2013, Donald Finklater, of the child protection charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, said: "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned."

 
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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 11:32:47 AM »
I'm with you wiggs, I've seen this coming for years. Sadly it looks like it will be here far sooner than I imagined.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 11:45:40 AM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 11:48:11 AM »
Paedophilia is not a crime......molesting a child is.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 11:51:36 AM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.

Finally I agree with Tom fogarty.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 12:04:20 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

Paedophilia is a “sexual orientation” like being straight or gay, according to a criminal psychologist.

The idea that sexual attraction to children is an “orientation” is highly controversial as it suggests that offenders cannot change.

But, writing on the Reddit networking website, the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.


The psychologist set up the “ask me anything” thread on Reddit. Their identity was not revealed but was verified by the website.

Asked “can paedophiles actually change?”, the expert wrote: “I believe Paedophilic Disorder is a sexual orientation with individual that are attracted to child features. In other words, an individual with paedophilia has the same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male, or a homosexual feels towards their same gender.

“With that being said, it needs to be said that sexuality is more of a spectrum than a finite category. We know that heterosexuals may engage in homosexual behaviour, and deny they are bisexual or homosexual.

We know that individuals with paedophilia may engage in sexual behaviour with adults. For some, they may use this as a cognitive distortion to explain away their sexualisation of prepubescent children.”

However the psychologist stressed in a later edit that they had not mean to imply paedophiles could not be treated – to an extent.

“Treatment, to me, isn’t about modifying the orientation per se, but getting the individual to find more appropriate behaviours to engage in,” they wrote.

“An individual can have paedophilic interests without ever acting on these behaviourally. However, as I am working with criminal offenders, my experience is entirely weighted to those who have engaged in this behaviourally.”

The psychiatrist said they focused on three main areas when trying to treat a child sex abuser: “One, do you understand who can and can't provide consent? How will you go through and identify this? Two, can you identify the risks or situations which would increase when you engage in sexual activity with someone who can't provide consent? How can you avoid these or limit them? Three, what can you focus on positive in your life which can replace or mitigate when you may be most likely to offend? What are some things you can do which are adaptive and help you in the long run?”

In May 2015, research from the National Crime Agency suggested 250,000 men in the UK could be considered "true paedophiles" - adults who are attracted to pre-pubescent girls less than 12 years old.

Talking to The Independent in the wake of the research, one psychologist working said they should be treated as victims rather than offenders.

“It is a disease, it is a trait, it is not a choice. They haven’t chosen to change, but they can learn how to live responsibly with their sexual desires," Petya Schuhmann, who works with a scheme in Germany called Project Dunkelfeld, which allows individuals to anonymously contact therapists who help them control their sexual urges towards children.

Last year, a self-confessed paedophile, Todd Nickerson, a freelance graphic designer from Tennessee, caused uproar after writing an article asking people to be understanding of his "sexual orientation".

Called I'm a paedophile, you're the monsters, the piece explained how he believed his molestation as a child was the reason he is now sexually attracted to young girls. He also mentioned his membership of the "Virtuous Paedophiles" forum - an online community of paedohpiles who have vowed never to act on their sexual urges.

In July 2010, the Harvard Mental Health Letter of July 2010 stated that "paedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges".

The idea of treating paedophilia as a disease has long been controversial.

In 2013, Donald Finklater, of the child protection charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation, said: "There may be some vulnerabilities that could be genetic, but normally there are some significant events in a person's life, a sexually abusive event, a bullying environment … I believe it is learned, and can be unlearned."

 

as my fellow gbers pointed out..its still and always will be illegal. of course its an orientation. they are attracted to kids, their brain was wired oddly. they dont choose to get hard when thinking of a baby. it just happens, unfortunately, for all involved

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 12:10:28 PM »
Paedophilia is not a crime......molesting a child is.

So says the children's doctor

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 12:37:57 PM »
Dailymail UK might be on par with Washington Post.


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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 12:39:44 PM »
Liberalism is mental illness.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2016, 01:22:45 PM »
This doesn't equate. Does it also suggest, bestiality and necrophilia are sexual orientations? A line needs to be drawn somewhere and soon.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 01:30:40 PM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.

I could be mistaken, but I believe Hebrew Wiggs is saying it will be made legal eventually if we continue down the path we are going.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 01:32:53 PM »
Peadophile is a fucking disease and the cure is put to fucking death, this filthy shit needs to be wiped off the face of the planet, even more so than muslims

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2016, 01:35:34 PM »
Peadophile is a fucking disease and the cure is put to fucking death, this filthy shit needs to be wiped off the face of the planet, even more so than muslims

Unfortunately, in the near future, you might be accused of being an intolerant bigot for saying such things.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2016, 01:56:24 PM »
in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2016, 01:56:34 PM »
This topic should get 3 to 4 pages. Pedo threads seem to do well on here.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2016, 02:01:21 PM »
in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.

sweet! i call dibs on Betsy the cow!

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2016, 02:05:00 PM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.
This.

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2016, 02:05:59 PM »
This topic should get 3 to 4 pages. Pedo threads seem to do well on here.

Good point. It is a topic most people have strong opinions about.

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2016, 02:07:06 PM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.

And frighteningly enough all that needs is a bill through Parliament to change.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2016, 02:14:44 PM »
whether paedophillia is a sexual orientation or not does not change that acting on those feelings is a crime.  Children are unable to give consent.

And yet there are underage prostitutes who are more 'worldly' than some adults. According to the media, many of these 'kids' who are abandoned by their parents, have no other means of supporting themselves. Others are runaways, some with drug habits to support. While I believe sex with minors should remain illegal, one cannot completely ignore the realities of survival in a cruel and often corrupt world.

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2016, 02:15:10 PM »
Survival of the shittest

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2016, 02:20:17 PM »
in 50 years it will be acceptable and allowed to bang animals and marry them.
Jerry Springer was doing this on TV 20 years ago...

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2016, 02:21:51 PM »
And yet there are underage prostitutes who are more 'worldly' than some adults. According to the media, many of these 'kids' who are abandoned by their parents, have no other means of supporting themselves. Others are runaways, some with drug habits to support. While I believe sex with minors should remain illegal, one cannot completely ignore the realities of survival in a cruel and often corrupt world.

Paedophillia is usually defined as pre-pubescent.  Age of consent is a different topic.  Not too long ago, some states in the US had age of consent for girls at 13.  Most will agree that is too low. Now pretty much everywhere in the US age of consent is 18.  That's a bit high, as a large number of 16 year olds are sexually active.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#/media/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg

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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2016, 02:35:34 PM »
the psychologist said it was possible to treat child sex abusers on “the understanding that the attraction may always remain”.
I agree 100% with the qualification that the 'treatment' should be quick, cheap and permanent.
Picture this - molestor goes to doctor - 'I have a bad case of wanting to bugger children'
Doctor - 'most unfortunate. Take one of these orally just before bedtime tonight' and passes him a bullet.


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Re: Paedophilia a 'sexual orientation - like being straight or gay'
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2016, 02:55:47 PM »
Gender is a social construct while sexual orientation is genetic.

Yeah...... >:(
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