What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?

[Wiggs]

I'm not talking low carbs. I'm talking true ketogenic diet under 40gms of carbs.  Whatever your proteins are and of course, a fat source preferably majority monosaturated fats. How long did it take before the craving went away? Did you refeed? What on? How much and what type of cardio? We're you on any clen, t-3, eca, gh?  What were the results? Overall what do you think of that style of dieting?

[Erik C]

It's the best cut you will ever get. Great definition on any muscle you have, especially abs. Those were impossible to see, when eating carbs. I eat animal source proteins and fats. Plenty of saturated fat, and calories.

[The True Adonis]

Just eat 2000 calories.  End thread.

Why make it more difficult than it needs to be?

[HTexan]

Just eat 2000 calories.  End thread.

Why make it more difficult than it needs to be?

Might be broscience. But I believe, my Carb sensitivity goes up later in the day.  Therefore, I avoid starchy foods at dinner.
But again that might be bullshit, but I notice I lose more weight this way.

[rocket]

Effective but entirely unnecessary.  Easier to do with with just a bit more carbs.

[Frank Reynolds]

Only way to diet for hardgainers

[Submissionfytr]

Have a close friend who got/is absolutely shredded from no carbs/keto. He said it was 3 months of hell, living on ground turkey and flank steak, plus hour of cardio a day. But he is ripped to the bone so I believe no carbs can work miracles

[Griffith]

Zero energy, felt terrible and lost muscle.

Would never advice this diet to anyone, ever.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Zero energy, felt terrible and lost muscle.

Would never advice this diet to anyone, ever.

I felt pretty much the same. I agree with Htexan, carb meals during the early part of the day are fine, cutting carbs during dinner time is important for fat loss.

[cephissus]

Have a close friend who got/is absolutely shredded from no carbs/keto. He said it was 3 months of hell, living on ground turkey and flank steak, plus hour of cardio a day. But he is ripped to the bone so I believe no carbs can work miracles

ground turkey and steak will not put you in ketosis, unless you're eating like <1000 calories a day

50%+ protein turns to glucose, 100 gm/day max glucose for ketosis (roughly speaking) so...

I'm talking true ketogenic diet under 40gms of carbs.

since when is the "true ketogenic diet" under 40 grams carbohydrate?

[local hero]

Only way to diet for hardgainers

What u on about.... Isn't a hardgainer a skinny rake like fella? Surely the opposite would be true in that case.


In my experience eating as much as possible and doing extra work results in a much better physique, when I say as much as possible i mean as much as you can and still loose a few lbs

[MAXX]

I don't believe in  this diet for performance and gains.

This no carb approach is only for short term diet to lose alot of fat. 2 months tops imo. For a fat fck like yourself it might work but you will probably regain all the weight after the diet anyways.

[calfzilla]

Works great but for me it is not enjoyable. Too many foods you can't ever eat. First few days are rough but after that your appetite drops way off and it's a lot easier. Social situations suck because food is almost always involved and you can't eat 90% of what's out there.

[Wiggs]

I don't believe in  this diet for performance and gains.

This no carb approach is only for short term diet to lose alot of fat. 2 months tops imo. For a fat fck like yourself it might work but you will probably regain all the weight after the diet anyways.

You'd be surprised how fat I'm not...

[Wiggs]

Effective but entirely unnecessary.  Easier to do with with just a bit more carbs.

When you come out of ketosis and go low carbs, don't you stay tired because your body is running on low carbs vs. ketones?

[Never1AShow]

Have a close friend who got/is absolutely shredded from no carbs/keto. He said it was 3 months of hell, living on ground turkey and flank steak, plus hour of cardio a day. But he is ripped to the bone so I believe no carbs can work miracles

But size wise did he fry like a piece of bacon?  I think it's great for losing weight/fat, but not for maintaining muscle unless duck eggs.

[Thin Lizzy]

For losing fat, fast, it's hard to beat, partly because most high carb foods: pizza, ice cream, fries etc. are also high fat. So, eliminating all these foods will result in a dramatic calorie reduction.

That said, Ketosis is a starvation response. The body doesn't want to be in it. That's why you get "kicked out" so easily. I've found I sleep poorly on very low carbs. Others have experienced this, as well. It's attributed to increased cortisol production.

From an athletic performance standpoint, high intensity training will suffer. The studies cited about low carb performance have the participants training at 60% VO2 max.The low carbs gurus like Volek and Phinney talk a good game, but all the elite runners and cyclists eat high carbs.

Bottom line: Great for quick fat loss. Unsustainable and undesirable, for most, long term.

[Simple Simon]

I dieted for 10 weeks this year on very low carbs, it fucking killed me, made me ill, my trining was totally shot, I couldnt even walk the dogs.
I added in carbs and within a week I felt 100% better, it even kickstarted fat loss as I had stalled.

[_aj_]

I dieted for 10 weeks this year on very low carbs, it fucking killed me, made me ill, my trining was totally shot, I couldnt even walk the dogs.
I added in carbs and within a week I felt 100% better, it even kickstarted fat loss as I had stalled.

There's a rather large group of deconditioned folks at my office doing keto. They all look like death while I eat huge buckets of meat, rice and veggies. Oh well.

[bigmc]

the true adonis principles

have been proven to be the most effective diet

true story

[Thin Lizzy]

But size wise did he fry like a piece of bacon?  I think it's great for losing weight/fat, but not for maintaining muscle unless duck eggs.

Another problem is that you have to keep Protein intake low, otherwise it will be converted to glucose via Gluconeogenesis and kick you out of Ketosis.  

Good luck selling bodybuilders a low Protein diet.

As an aside, Iron Radio just had an excellent Podcast on the subject.

[Erik C]

A real keto diet is not a high protein diet. It is an extremely low carb diet, with high fat intake, and "moderate" protein intake. Unless your "keto" diet is at least 60% fats, it won't work.

[Mr Anabolic]

Did this for an entire year when I was in my mid 20's.  Was natty during this time.  

I followed protocol from the book "The Anabolic Diet" by Mauro Di Pascuale.  6 days no carb.  Sunday was carb day.  After 3-4 days without carbs, I became flat as a pancake, but I was very cut.  

Leg day was always very difficult.  I felt like death afterwards.  My Thursday, Friday and Saturday workouts were lackluster due to low energy and lack of pump.

Sunday was a fun day.  The carbs were heavenly going down, but I felt comatose afterward.  I was bloated as hell too.  I remember farting for 2 days straight.  It's really difficult going on dates when you're launching odiferous gas bombs every 10-15 minutes.
  
I lost a lot of water and moderate amount of fat, but never made any solid muscle gains during the entire year.  Just a few pounds up and down due to water retention and water loss.

Finally, I got sick of the yo-yo effects on my blood sugar level and my overall mood and went back to eating normally.

Several people who were on roids at the time would swear this was the only way to get cut, but they had the drugs giving them a lift during training.  
 

[HavoX]

the true adonis principles

have been proven to be the most effective diet

true story

You mean the fda guidelines developed in the 60s with added protein for bodybuilders?

[The True Adonis]

You mean the fda guidelines developed in the 60s with added protein for bodybuilders?

You don't even need "added" protein.