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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2016, 07:24:53 PM »
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2016, 07:38:56 PM »
Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 02, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
Another problem is that you have to keep Protein intake low, otherwise it will be converted to glucose via Gluconeogenesis and kick you out of Ketosis. 

Good luck selling bodybuilders a low Protein diet.

As an aside, Iron Radio just had an excellent Podcast on the subject.

Didn't know that - when I did it I did do some ketostix piss tests and they came up good..

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »
Quote from: Thin Lizzy on July 02, 2016, 08:55:47 AM
Another problem is that you have to keep Protein intake low, otherwise it will be converted to glucose via Gluconeogenesis and kick you out of Ketosis.  

Good luck selling bodybuilders a low Protein diet.

As an aside, Iron Radio just had an excellent Podcast on the subject.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2016, 08:06:30 PM »
All of you saying that you go into gluconeogenesis with excess protein are wrong.  That is not true.  This is a myth.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2016, 08:12:53 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on July 02, 2016, 08:06:30 PM
All of you saying that you go into gluconeogenesis with excess protein are wrong.  That is not true.  This is a myth.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2016, 08:36:11 AM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on July 01, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
Just eat 2000 calories.  End thread.

Why make it more difficult than it needs to be?

Because... no

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Thin Lizzy

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2016, 08:50:35 AM »
What usually happens with Keto zealots is that they start pouring heavy cream on their bacon cheeseburgers. When they don't lose weight, they say fuck it and start eating carbs.

Food addiction must be treated as a mental disorder. Without the psychological aspect being addressed, no diet will work long term.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2016, 02:11:49 PM »
8 weeks progress on Keto from my second show, felt like absolute death for about 10 days, almost quit my prep all together, I was a walking zombie, no power, no energy, workouts absolutely sucked, but my coach at the time kept increasing my fats until he found my sweet spot, all of a sudden boom, my body must of hit ketosis because I began to feel good, I mean real good, total focus, like I was in a zone, no crashes lots of energy, my workouts were great, progress by the day..never seen anything like it, everyday I was leaner and leaner, I had 1 refeed the entire 8 weeks. At my show I had tons of energy, felt great. I'll say it's a tough diet, most people can't stick out the transition period, it is hell, they call it the keto flu, if you can just hang in there this diet can be a thing of beauty. I had no cravings, energy was total stable
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2016, 02:23:01 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
8 weeks progress on Keto from my second show, felt like absolute death for about 10 days, almost quit my prep all together, I was a walking zombie, no power, no energy, workouts absolutely sucked, but my coach at the time kept increasing my fats until he found my sweet spot, all of a sudden boom, my body must of hit ketosis because I began to feel good, I mean real good, total focus, like I was in a zone, no crashes lots of energy, my workouts were great, progress by the day..never seen anything like it, everyday I was leaner and leaner, I had 1 refeed the entire 8 weeks. At my show I had tons of energy, felt great. I'll say it's a tough diet, most people can't stick out the transition period, it is hell, they call it the keto flu, if you can just hang in there this diet can be a thing of beauty. I had no cravings, energy was total stable

I bet he fucking did.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2016, 02:31:08 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
8 weeks progress on Keto from my second show, felt like absolute death for about 10 days, almost quit my prep all together, I was a walking zombie, no power, no energy, workouts absolutely sucked, but my coach at the time kept increasing my fats until he found my sweet spot, all of a sudden boom, my body must of hit ketosis because I began to feel good, I mean real good, total focus, like I was in a zone, no crashes lots of energy, my workouts were great, progress by the day..never seen anything like it, everyday I was leaner and leaner, I had 1 refeed the entire 8 weeks. At my show I had tons of energy, felt great. I'll say it's a tough diet, most people can't stick out the transition period, it is hell, they call it the keto flu, if you can just hang in there this diet can be a thing of beauty. I had no cravings, energy was total stable

How much fat and protein did you end up eating when your coach found the sweet spot?  Meaning ratio of protein to fat.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2016, 02:36:32 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
8 weeks progress on Keto from my second show, felt like absolute death for about 10 days, almost quit my prep all together, I was a walking zombie, no power, no energy, workouts absolutely sucked, but my coach at the time kept increasing my fats until he found my sweet spot, all of a sudden boom, my body must of hit ketosis because I began to feel good, I mean real good, total focus, like I was in a zone, no crashes lots of energy, my workouts were great, progress by the day..never seen anything like it, everyday I was leaner and leaner, I had 1 refeed the entire 8 weeks. At my show I had tons of energy, felt great. I'll say it's a tough diet, most people can't stick out the transition period, it is hell, they call it the keto flu, if you can just hang in there this diet can be a thing of beauty. I had no cravings, energy was total stable

Supposedly 'adaptation' can take 2 or 3 months, or so says lyle
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2016, 02:41:31 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on July 03, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
How much fat and protein did you end up eating when your coach found the sweet spot?  Meaning ratio of protein to fat.
Not really sure, I was eating a lot of grass fed beef, sometimes 3 times a day, 1 egg meal of 6 omega 3 eggs, 1 chicken meal with some almonds, and salmon...lots of greens with mac nut oil. But ratios I'm not really sure dude
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2016, 02:41:40 PM »
Right before going into ketosis you become absolutely nuts. The brain probably doesn't have that much fuel avaiable in the transitioning fase.

Pissed a bucket of water out in a few weeks (and probably some fat as well). Looked sliced but absolutely couldn't shit anymore. Tried everything from baking shit in coconut oil to loads of fibred vegetables. Only shitters nightmare. And stopped because of that.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2016, 02:46:01 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
Not really sure, I was eating a lot of grass fed beef, sometimes 3 times a day, 1 egg meal of 6 omega 3 eggs, 1 chicken meal with some almonds, and salmon...lots of greens with mac nut oil. But ratios I'm not really sure dude

Have you done bloodwork since starting this diet?  If so, any changes?
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2016, 02:49:58 PM »
Quote from: Mrdibbs on July 03, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
Right before going into ketosis you become absolutely nuts. The brain probably doesn't have that much fuel avaiable in the transitioning fase.

Pissed a bucket of water out in a few weeks (and probably some fat as well). Looked sliced but absolutely couldn't shit anymore. Tried everything from baking shit in coconut oil to loads of fibred vegetables. Only shitters nightmare. And stopped because of that.

So you didn't really do keto. The the brain operates perfectly on ketones.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2016, 02:54:51 PM »
Quote from: cephissus on July 03, 2016, 02:46:01 PM
Have you done bloodwork since starting this diet?  If so, any changes?
I don't get bloodwork done regularly so I can't say, what kind of changes it had on me..I can just say I felt really good, lots of energy. Skin, hair..everything looked nice as well.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2016, 03:18:52 PM »
A keto diet with macros kept close to 80% fat 15% protein and 5% carbs is far and away the best plan fat burning while maintaining lean muscle tissue. Not to mention all the other great health benefits of being in a ketogenic state.

Those who still maintain this calorie is a calorie nonsense don't know ish about nutrition.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2016, 03:22:46 PM »
Quote from: Erik C on July 03, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
So you didn't really do keto. The the brain operates perfectly on ketones.

Trust me i did. Multiple sticks full of pis indicating ketosis. The transitioning fase was nuts. After that, mentally fine.
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2016, 03:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Mrdibbs on July 03, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Trust me i did. Multiple sticks full of pis indicating ketosis. The transitioning fase was nuts. After that, mentally fine.
Those sticks are highly inaccurate, only way to measure is through blood -glucometer
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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2016, 03:46:20 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
I don't get bloodwork done regularly so I can't say, what kind of changes it had on me..I can just say I felt really good, lots of energy. Skin, hair..everything looked nice as well.

From a standpoint of competing in a bodybuilding show and getting as lean as humanly possible for a limited amount of time, Keto makes sense.

The question is whether you would or could implement this diet every day for the rest of your life?

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2016, 03:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Go 4 It on July 03, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
Those sticks are highly inaccurate, only way to measure is through blood -glucometer

Used ones from work. They're pretty accurate.

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Re: What results have you had on a ketogenic diet?
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2016, 03:55:18 PM »
Quote from: CC973 on July 03, 2016, 03:18:52 PM
A keto diet with macros kept close to 80% fat 15% protein and 5% carbs is far and away the best plan fat burning while maintaining lean muscle tissue. Not to mention all the other great health benefits of being in a ketogenic state.

Those who still maintain this calorie is a calorie nonsense don't know ish about nutrition.

any concern about atherosclerosis ???

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/36/15418.full
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