An interesting ideology

[DanielPaul]

"They bomb a church, we bomb ten. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans." Swordfish.   Was this not the same rational that led to Hiroshima?  Honestly speaking , isn't this the only way to stop radical Islam and no one wants to admit it?  Thoughts on this?

[Erik C]

You Are Correct!

[Fortress]

Love it.

[Jovo]

no one has the balls to rule with an iron hammer these days

[Simple Simon]

there was no radical Islam affecting the West until the West went in their backyard sticking its fucking nose in its business and occupying its lands.

[local hero]

there was no radical Islam affecting the West until the West went in their backyard sticking its fucking nose in its business and occupying its lands.

Was about to post similar response...

[rocket]

there was no radical Islam affecting the West until the West went in their backyard sticking its fucking nose in its business and occupying its lands.

Well, to be fair, they do practice a savage way of life that fucks a lot of people in their lands over.

Not to mention that due to their religious delusions, they are clearly not content to mind their own business any more than we are.

The idealogy presented in swordfish is functionally illogical.  The current level of terrorism is perpetrated by so few individuals that it doesn't matter what you do, these fuckwits will ALWAYS have the ability to get away with the odd act.

They aren't powerful, at all.  This is all they can manage.  Drips and drabs of savagery that is virtually impossible to fully mitigate.

[SuperTed]

there was no radical Islam affecting the West until the West went in their backyard sticking its fucking nose in its business and occupying its lands.

As much as I despise Western foreign policy, radical Islam would have affected the West sooner or later unless the West believed in isolationism and strict migration controls.

[Simple Simon]

Well, to be fair, they do practice a savage way of life that fucks a lot of people in their lands over.

Not to mention that due to their religious delusions, they are clearly not content to mind their own business any more than we are.

The idealogy presented in swordfish is functionally illogical.  The current level of terrorism is perpetrated by so few individuals that it doesn't matter what you do, these fuckwits will ALWAYS have the ability to get away with the odd act.

They aren't powerful, at all.  This is all they can manage.  Drips and drabs of savagery that is virtually impossible to fully mitigate.

what they do in their own backyard is their business, its been like that for thousands of years, its not unusual to them.

And yes, they are content to mind their own business, they stay in their own backyards, they dont come across to the West to invade foreign lands, can you remember when an arab nation declared war on a western nation?

We all know they dont have to power to inflict any real damage, but the West invading their lands and dropping bombs on women and children is what allows they radicals an excuse to do what they do.
I have said it before, there were no radical muslims until the West created them by its actions.

[jon cole]

Just my two cent but in Syria and Irak, for example, isis stronghole deserves a nuclear warhead.

[Simple Simon]

Just my two cent but in Syria and Irak, for example, isis stronghole deserves a nuclear warhead.

And one for the good old USA , because without that warmongering nation the world would be a much better place.

US Military and Clandestine Operations in Foreign Countries - 1798-Present
1798-1800   France   
Undeclared naval war against France, marines land in Puerto Plata.

1801-1805   Tripoli   War with Tripoli (Libya), called "First Barbary War".
1806   Spanish Mexico   Military force enters Spanish territory in headwaters of the Rio Grande.
1806-1810   Spanish and French in Caribbean   US naval vessels attack French and Spanish shipping in the Caribbean.
1810   Spanish West Florida   Troops invade and seize Western Florida, a Spanish possession.
1812   Spanish East Florida   Troops seize Amelia Island and adjacent territories.
1812   Britain   War of 1812, includes naval and land operations.
1813   Marquesas Island   Forces seize Nukahiva and establish first US naval base in the Pacific.
1814   Spanish (East Florida)   Troops seize Pensacola in Spanish East Florida.
1814-1825   French, British and Spanish in Caribbean   US naval squadron engages French, British and Spanish shipping in the Caribbean.
1815   Algiers and Tripoli   US naval fleet under Captain Stephen Decatur wages "Second Barbary War" in North Africa.
1816-1819   Spanish East Florida   Troops attack and seize Nicholls' Fort, Amelia Island and other strategic locations. Spain eventually cedes East Florida to the US.
1822-1825   Spanish Cuba and Puerto Rico   Marines land in numerous cities in the Spanish island of Cuba and also in Spanish Puerto Rico.
1827   Greece   Marines invade the Greek islands of Argentiere, Miconi and Andross.
1831   Falkland/Malvinas Islands   US naval squadrons aggress the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic.
1832   Sumatra, Dutch East Indies   US naval squadrons attack Qallah Battoo.
1833   Argentina   Forces land in Buenos Aires and engage local combatants.
1835-1836   Peru   Troops dispatched twice for counter-insurgency operations.
1836   Mexico   Troops assist Texas war for independence.
1837   Canada   Naval incident on the Canadian border leads to mobilization of a large force to invade Canada. War is narrowly averted.
1838   Sumatra, Dutch East Indies   US naval forces sent to Sumatra for punitive expedition.
1840-1841   Fiji   Naval forces deployed, marines land.
1841   Samoa   Naval forces deployed, marines land.
1842   Mexico   Naval forces temporarily seize cities of Monterey and San Diego.
1843   China   Marines land in Canton.
1843   Ivory Coast   Marines land.
1846-1848   Mexico   Full-scale war. Mexico cedes half of its territory to the US by the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo.
1849   Ottoman Empire (Turkey)   Naval force dispatched to Smyrna.
1852-1853   Argentina   Marines land in Buenos Aires.
1854   Nicaragua   Navy bombards and largely destroys city of San Juan del Norte. Marines land and set fire to the city.
1854   Japan   Commodore Perry and his fleet deploy at Yokohama.
1855   Uruguay   Marines land in Montevideo.
1856   Colombia (Panama Region)   Marines land for counter-insurgency campaign.
1856   China   Marines deployed in Canton.
1856   Hawaii   Naval forces seize small islands of Jarvis, Baker and Howland in the Hawaiian Islands.
1857   Nicaragua   Marines land.
1858   Uruguay   Marines land in Montevideo.
1858   Fiji   Marines land.
1859   Paraguay   Large naval force deployed.
1859   China   Troops enter Shanghai.
1859   Mexico   Military force enters northern area.
1860   Portuguese West Africa   Troops land at Kissembo.
1860   Colombia (Panama Region)   Troops and naval forces deployed.
1863   Japan   Troops land at Shimonoseki.
1864   Japan   Troops landed in Yedo.
1865   Colombia (Panama Region)   Marines landed.
1866   Colombia (Panama Region)   Troops invade and seize Matamoros, later withdraw.
1866   China   Marines land in Newchwang.
1867   Nicaragua   Marines land in Managua and Leon in Nicaragua.
1867   Formosa Island (Taiwan)   Marines land.
1867   Midway Island   Naval forces seize this island in the Hawaiian Archipelago for a naval base.
1868   Japan   Naval forces deployed at Osaka, Hiogo, Nagasaki, Yokohama and Negata.
1868   Uruguay   Marines land at Montevideo.
1870   Colombia   Marines landed.
1871   Korea   Forces landed.
1873   Colombia (Panama Region)   Marines landed.
1874   Hawaii   Sailors and marines landed.
1876   Mexico   Army again occupies Matamoros.
1882   British Egypt   Troops land.
1885   Colombia (Panama Region)   Troops land in Colon and Panama City.
1885   Samoa   Naval force deployed.
1887   Hawaii   Navy gains right to build permanent naval base at Pearl Harbor.
1888   Haiti   Troops landed.
1888   Samoa   Marines landed.
1889   Samoa   Clash with German naval forces.
1890   Argentina   US sailors land in Buenos Aires.
1891   Chile   US sailors land in the major port city of Valparaiso.
1891   Haiti   Marines land on US-claimed Navassa Island.
1893   Hawaii   Marines and other naval forces land and overthrow the monarchy. Read More | President Cleveland's Message
1894   Nicaragua   Marines land at Bluefields on the eastern coast.
1894-1895   China   Marines are stationed at Tientsin and Beijing. A naval ship takes up position at Newchwang.
1894-1896   Korea   Marines land and remain in Seoul.
1895   Colombia   Marines are sent to the town Bocas del Toro.
1896   Nicaragua   Marines land in the port of Corinto.
1898   Nicaragua   Marines land at the port city of San Juan del Sur.
1898   Guam   Naval forces seize Guam Island from Spain and the US holds the island permanently.
1898   Cuba   Naval and land forces seize Cuba from Spain.
1898   Puerto Rico   Naval and land forces seize Puerto Rico from Spain and the US holds the island permanently.
1898   Philippines   Naval forces defeat the Spanish fleet and the US takes control of the country.
1899   Philippines   Military units are reinforced for extensive counter-insurgency operations.
1899   Samoa   Naval forces land
1899   Nicaragua   Marines land at the port city of Bluefields.
1900   China   US forces intervene in several cities.
1901   Colombia/Panama   Marines land.
1902   Colombia/Panama   US forces land in Bocas de Toro
1903   Colombia/Panama   With US backing, a group in northern Colombia declares independence as the state of Panama
1903   Guam   Navy begins development in Apra Harbor of a permanent base installation.
1903   Honduras   Marines go ashore at Puerto Cortez.
1903   Dominican Republic   Marines land in Santo Domingo.
1904-1905   Korea   Marines land and stay in Seoul.
1906-1909   Cuba   Marines land. The US builds a major naval base at Guantanamo Bay.
1907   Nicaragua   Troops seize major centers.
1907   Honduras   Marines land and take up garrison in cities of Trujillo, Ceiba, Puerto Cortez, San Pedro, Laguna and Choloma.
1908   Panama   Marines land and carry out operations.
1910   Nicaragua   Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
1911   Honduras   Marines intervene.
1911-1941   China   The US builds up its military presence in the country to a force of 5000 troops and a fleet of 44 vessels patrolling China's coast and rivers.
1912   Cuba   US sends army troops into combat in Havana.
1912   Panama   Army troops intervene.
1912   Honduras   Marines land.
1912-1933   Nicaragua   Marines intervene. A 20-year occupation of the country follows.
1913   Mexico   Marines land at Ciaris Estero.
1914   Dominican Republic   Naval forces engage in battles in the city of Santo Domingo.
1914   Mexico   US forces seize and occupy Mexico's major port city of Veracrus from April through November.
1915-1916   Mexico   An expeditionary force of the US Army under Gen. John J. Pershing crosses the Texas border and penetrates several hundred miles into Mexican territory. Eventually reinforced to over 11,000 officers and men.
1914-1934   Haiti   Troops land, aerial bombardment leading to a 19-year military occupation.
1916-1924   Dominican Republic   Military intervention leading to 8-year occupation.
1917-1933   Cuba   Landing of naval forces. Beginning of a 15-year occupation.
1918-1920   Panama   Troops intervene, remain on "police duty" for over 2 years.
1918-1922   Russia   Naval forces and army troops fight battles in several areas of the country during a five- year period.
1919   Yugoslavia   Marines intervene in Dalmatia.
1919   Honduras   Marines land.
1920   Guatemala   Troops intervene.
1922   Turkey   Marines engaged in operations in Smyrna (Izmir).
1922-1927   China   Naval forces and troops deployed during 5-year period.
1924-1925   Honduras   Troops land twice in two-year period.
1925   Panama   Marines land and engage in operations.
1927-1934   China   Marines and naval forces stationed throughout the country.
1932   El Salvador   Naval forces intervene.
1933   Cuba   Naval forces deployed.
1934   China   Marines land in Foochow.
1946   Iran   Troops deployed in northern province.
1946-1949   China   Major US army presence of about 100,000 troops, fighting, training and advising local combatants.
1947-1949   Greece   US forces wage a 3-year counterinsurgency campaign.
1948   Italy   Heavy CIA involvement in national elections.
1948-1954   Philippines   Commando operations, "secret" CIA war.
1950-1953   Korea   Major forces engaged in war in Korean peninsula.
1953   Iran   CIA overthrows government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. Read More
1954   Vietnam   Financial and materiel support for colonial French military operations, leads eventually to direct US military involvement.
1954   Guatemala   CIA overthrows the government of President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman.
1958   Lebanon   US marines and army units totaling 14,000 land.
1958   Panama   Clashes between US forces in Canal Zone and local citizens.
1959   Haiti   Marines land.
1960   Congo   CIA-backed overthrow and assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.
1960-1964   Vietnam   Gradual introduction of military advisors and special forces.
1961   Cuba   CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion.
1962   Cuba   Nuclear threat and naval blockade.
1962   Laos   CIA-backed military coup.
1963   Ecuador   CIA backs military overthrow of President Jose Maria Valesco Ibarra.
1964   Panama   Clashes between US forces in Canal Zone and local citizens.
1964   Brazil   CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government of Joao Goulart and Gen. Castello Branco takes power. Read More
1965-1975   Vietnam   Large commitment of military forces, including air, naval and ground units numbering up to 500,000+ troops. Full-scale war, lasting for ten years.
1965   Indonesia   CIA-backed army coup overthrows President Sukarno and brings Gen. Suharto to power.
1965   Congo   CIA backed military coup overthrows President Joseph Kasavubu and brings Joseph Mobutu to power.
1965   Dominican Republic   23,000 troops land.
1965-1973   Laos   Bombing campaign begin, lasting eight years.
1966   Ghana   CIA-backed military coup ousts President Kwame Nkrumah.
1966-1967   Guatemala   Extensive counter-insurgency operation.
1969-1975   Cambodia   CIA supports military coup against Prince Sihanouk, bringing Lon Nol to power. Intensive bombing for seven years along border with Vietnam.
1970   Oman   Counter-insurgency operation, including coordination with Iranian marine invasion.
1971-1973   Laos   Invasion by US and South Vietnames forces.
1973   Chile   CIA-backed military coup ousts government of President Salvador Allende. Gen. Augusto Pinochet comes to power.
1975   Cambodia   Marines land, engage in combat with government forces.
1976-1992   Angola   Military and CIA operations.
1980   Iran   Special operations units land in Iranian desert. Helicopter malfunction leads to aborting of planned raid.
1981   Libya   Naval jets shoot down two Libyan jets in maneuvers over the Mediterranean.
1981-1992   El Salvador   CIA and special forces begin a long counterinsurgency campaign.
1981-1990   Nicaragua   CIA directs exile "Contra" operations. US air units drop sea mines in harbors.
1982-1984   Lebanon   Marines land and naval forces fire on local combatants.
1983   Grenada   Military forces invade Grenada.
1983-1989   Honduras   Large program of military assistance aimed at conflict in Nicaragua.
1984   Iran   Two Iranian jets shot down over the Persian Gulf.
1986   Libya   US aircraft bomb the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, including direct strikes at the official residence of President Muamar al Qadaffi.
1986   Bolivia   Special Forces units engage in counter-insurgency.
1987-1988   Iran   Naval forces block Iranian shipping. Civilian airliner shot down by missile cruiser.
1989   Libya   Naval aircraft shoot down two Libyan jets over Gulf of Sidra.
1989   Philippines   CIA and Special Forces involved in counterinsurgency.
1989-1990   Panama   27,000 troops as well as naval and air power used to overthrow government of President Noriega.
1990   Liberia   Troops deployed.
1990-1991   Iraq   Major military operation, including naval blockade, air strikes; large number of troops attack Iraqi forces in occupied Kuwait.
1991-2003   Iraq   Control of Iraqi airspace in north and south of the country with periodic attacks on air and ground targets.
1991   Haiti   CIA-backed military coup ousts President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
1992-1994   Somalia   Special operations forces intervene.
1992-1994   Yugoslavia   Major role in NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
1993-1995   Bosnia   Active military involvement with air and ground forces.
1994-1996   Haiti   Troops depose military rulers and restore President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office.
1995   Croatia   Krajina Serb airfields attacked.
1996-1997   Zaire (Congo)   Marines involved in operations in eastern region of the country.
1997   Liberia   Troops deployed.
1998   Sudan   Air strikes destroy country's major pharmaceutical plant.
1998   Afghanistan   Attack on targets in the country.
1998   Iraq   Four days of intensive air and missile strikes.
1999   Yugoslavia   Major involvement in NATO air strikes.
2001   Macedonia   NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.
2001   Afghanistan   Air attacks and ground operations oust Taliban government and install a new regime.
2003   Iraq   Invasion with large ground, air and naval forces ousts government of Saddam Hussein and establishes new government.
2003-present   Iraq   Occupation force of 150,000 troops in protracted counter-insurgency war
2004   Haiti   Marines land. CIA-backed forces overthrow President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

[local hero]

As much as I despise Western foreign policy, radical Islam would have affected the West sooner or later unless the West believed in isolationism and strict migration controls.

They would have more or less stayed where they were and carried on beheading and stoning happily ever after if we never stuck our noses in..

[Simple Simon]

They would have more or less stayed where they were and carried on beheading and stoning happily ever after if we never stuck our noses in..

as they have for thousands of years.

[SuperTed]

They would have more or less stayed where they were and carried on beheading and stoning happily ever after if we never stuck our noses in..

Well, if they stayed were they were, there wouldn't be any Muslims beyond the Arab peninsula. There is a reason why Muslims are the majority in the Indian sub-continent, in North Africa and in the Levant. It's because they don't believe in "staying where they are". Islam is a proselytizing religion. Therefore, it believes in spreading, not staying put.

The only thing that prevented Europe from being conquered in the past, was that the Europeans were engulfed in their own religious fundamentalism.

[local hero]

Well, if they stayed were they were, there wouldn't be any Muslims beyond the Arab peninsula. There is a reason why Muslims are the majority in the Indian sub-continent, in North Africa and in the Levant. It's because they don't believe in "staying where they are". Islam is a proselytizing religion. Therefore, it believes in spreading, not staying put.

The only thing that prevented Europe from being conquered in the past, was that the Europeans were engulfed in their own religious fundamentalism.

I'm in no way a muslim sympathiser but your talking rubbish, your point about Islam spreading happend over centuries as all our continents evolved, the only reason they are in our country is because we invited them and or created wars to unsettle them

[Royalty]

I'm in no way a muslim sympathiser but your talking rubbish, your point about Islam spreading happend over centuries as all our continents evolved, the only reason they are in our country is because we invited them and or created wars to unsettle them

I disagree with this. I think that they came to west because they were jealous of our technology... They wanted to make a better life for themselves; but they had to leave their countries to do that.

[Simple Simon]

I disagree with this. I think that they came to west because they were jealous of our technology... They wanted to make a better life for themselves; but they had to leave their countries to do that.

So they came here to destroy our way of life to make a better life for themselves?

If they wanted to make a better life for themselves they would come in peace as many muslims have.

[SuperTed]

I'm in no way a muslim sympathiser but your talking rubbish, your point about Islam spreading happend over centuries as all our continents evolved, the only reason they are in our country is because we invited them and or created wars to unsettle them

I actually agree with what you've said but I just pointed out that Islam, historically, is a religion which makes no apologizes that a global caliphate is it's "end goal".

I'm not defending Western foreign policy. America's foreign policy has been disastrous and continues to be. I'm also suspicious towards concepts such as Zionism which I feel create more problems than solve. Even now when it comes to IS and Syria, the Western nations refusal to support Assad in this conflict is ridiculous. The OP regarding "nuking them" is just retarded and is only supported by simpletons.

Taking in large amounts of Muslim migrants while simultaneously blowing up their homelands isn't a good move. Which is why I believe that both Western involvement in the Middle East and Muslim migration to Western nations needs to be curbed in order to build a better world for everyone.

[local hero]

I disagree with this. I think that they came to west because they were jealous of our technology... They wanted to make a better life for themselves; but they had to leave their countries to do that.

They came to UK because we invited them, from Pakistan mainly...

[local hero]

I actually agree with what you've said but I just pointed out that Islam, historically, is a religion which makes no apologizes that a global caliphate is it's "end goal".

I'm not defending Western foreign policy. America's foreign policy has been disastrous and continues to be. I'm also suspicious towards concepts such as Zionism which I feel create more problems than solve. Even now when it comes to IS and Syria, the Western nations refusal to support Assad in this conflict is ridiculous. The OP regarding "nuking them" is just retarded and is only supported by simpletons.

Taking in large amounts of Muslim migrants while simultaneously blowing up their homelands isn't a good move. Which is why I believe that both Western involvement in the Middle East and Muslim migration to Western nations needs to be curbed in order to build a better world for everyone.

They might very well want a muslim world, where we all behead each other etc.. But in reality most people just want to get on with there day to day lives and have no time for nonsensical things like religion, of the muzzies I know none of them pray 7 times a day etc, just like us Christians only ever go to church for funerals and weddings.

I do also accept that they are not real Muslims, as real Muslims agree with total extremism, as practised by horrible bastards in the desert

I do agree that importing them from war torn countries while were still plotting and fucking them up is a bad idea

Likewise not supporting assad from the start, just like not supporting ghaddaffi , just like over throwing sadam , just like blindly supporting isreal is the real root cause of all this

[liberalismo]

That mentality is an old world mentality that might have worked in WW2 or WW1 but that's because there was a set country and a known enemy with territory and a conventional war model.

With Terrorism if you bomb a civilian airport, bomb a city, etc. You will just create 100x more terrorists. It would be like China bombing JFK airport because some American terrorists who pledged no allegiance to any nation attacked Chinese people.

[markofan]

there was no radical Islam affecting the West until the West went in their backyard sticking its fucking nose in its business and occupying its lands.

TRUTH

[dj181]

Isreal kicked egypts ass in bout 7 days back in '67 

[funk51]

get ready for world war 111 , the war to end all wars.... and leading the charge will be the so-called angry patriot................. ........................ ........................ ........................ .......from a bunker hidden far beneath the earth.

[Never1AShow]

No matter what it would eventually be a threat.  Weaker countries always trying to become stronger or better.  Eventually someone like Iran wants a nuke, if just to defend themselves from their neighbors or impose their corrupt rulers will on the people.  Human nature.

All of this was covered by Arnold in Pumping Iron when discussing the wolf on the hill.