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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #175 on: July 11, 2016, 11:04:33 AM »
Due process, in this case, starts with arrest. He resisted. Can't say anything yet about "escalation" because we don't know what occurred before the cop tackles a potentially ARMED SUSPECT. We do know this:

Cops respond to 911 call about a man threatening someone with a gun. Cops confront him, struggle ensues, he goes for his pocket. Voila, gun in dead man's pocket.

That you won't even consider these FACTS is why we'll never understand one another.


having a gun in your pocket is not an automatic death sentence. It just isnt. We dont know he resisted as it started with a tackle... as you stated above. How do we know it didnt start with a tackle?  So, i will always default to facts. Where in my entire compilation of posts on this matter did i deviate from fact?


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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2016, 12:07:30 PM »
having a gun in your pocket is not an automatic death sentence. It just isnt. We dont know he resisted as it started with a tackle... as you stated above. How do we know it didnt start with a tackle?  So, i will always default to facts. Where in my entire compilation of posts on this matter did i deviate from fact?

You conveniently skipped over reaching for it while resisting, and this ridiculous logic is why you'll never get it. Believe what you will.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #178 on: July 11, 2016, 12:11:49 PM »

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #179 on: July 11, 2016, 01:02:06 PM »
You conveniently skipped over reaching for it while resisting, and this ridiculous logic is why you'll never get it. Believe what you will.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #180 on: July 11, 2016, 01:10:10 PM »

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #181 on: July 11, 2016, 01:40:25 PM »
having a gun in your pocket is not an automatic death sentence. It just isnt. We dont know he resisted as it started with a tackle... as you stated above. How do we know it didnt start with a tackle?  So, i will always default to facts. Where in my entire compilation of posts on this matter did i deviate from fact?

While I still wonder why that cop speared him like a linebacker, it didn't start with this.  The store owner, who was the victim's friend, said they tazed him a few times to no effect

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #182 on: July 11, 2016, 02:22:57 PM »


Dude could've cleaned up his language and acted less a fool if he really wanted to get a message across.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #183 on: July 11, 2016, 04:01:19 PM »
While I still wonder why that cop speared him like a linebacker, it didn't start with this.  The store owner, who was the victim's friend, said they tazed him a few times to no effect

Take your pesky facts elsewhere, bro. This isn't the place.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #184 on: July 11, 2016, 05:22:09 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

By QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX JULY 11, 2016

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

“It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

The result contradicts the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold in the wake of the killings (some captured on video) of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.; Laquan McDonald in Chicago; Tamir Rice in Cleveland; Walter Scott in South Carolina; Samuel DuBose in Cincinnati; Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La.; and Philando Castile in Minnesota.

The study did not say whether the most egregious examples — the kind of killings at the heart of the nation’s debate on police shootings — are free of racial bias. Instead, it examined a much larger pool of shootings, including nonfatal ones.

The counterintuitive results provoked debate after the study was posted on Monday, mostly about the volume of police encounters and the scope of the data. Mr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole. This work focused only on what happens once the police have stopped civilians, not on the risk of being stopped at all. Other research has shown that blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police.

Mr. Fryer, the youngest African-American to receive tenure at Harvard and the first one to receive a John Bates Clark medal, a prize given to the most promising American economist under 40, said his anger after the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray and others drove him to study the issue. “You know, protesting is not my thing,” he said. “But data is my thing. So I decided that I was going to collect a bunch of data and try to understand what really is going on when it comes to racial differences in police use of force.”


There has to be a sea change in the upbringing of African Americans as well as in the African American leadership. Besides the bias in...
Erik 10 minutes ago

Surprising to whom?


There needs to be another study to determine the demographics when police are shot and killed to possibly determine if there is any racial...

   
He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.

They examined 1,332 shootings between 2000 and 2015, coding police narratives to answer questions such as: How old was the suspect? How many police officers were at the scene? Were they mostly white? Was the officer at the scene for a robbery, violent activity, a traffic stop or something else? Was it nighttime? Did the officer shoot after being attacked or before a possible attack? One goal was to figure out whether police officers were quicker to fire at black suspects.

In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.

But to look at cases where police shootings took place is to see only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t?

To answer this question, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there allowed the researchers to look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer defined this group to include encounters with suspects the police subsequently charged with serious offenses like attempting to murder an officer, or evading or resisting arrest. He also considered suspects shocked with Tasers.

Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot suspects if the suspects were black. This estimate was not very precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in a variety of models that controlled for different factors and used different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #185 on: July 11, 2016, 05:29:08 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

By QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX JULY 11, 2016

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

“It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

The result contradicts the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold in the wake of the killings (some captured on video) of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.; Laquan McDonald in Chicago; Tamir Rice in Cleveland; Walter Scott in South Carolina; Samuel DuBose in Cincinnati; Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La.; and Philando Castile in Minnesota.

The study did not say whether the most egregious examples — the kind of killings at the heart of the nation’s debate on police shootings — are free of racial bias. Instead, it examined a much larger pool of shootings, including nonfatal ones.

The counterintuitive results provoked debate after the study was posted on Monday, mostly about the volume of police encounters and the scope of the data. Mr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole. This work focused only on what happens once the police have stopped civilians, not on the risk of being stopped at all. Other research has shown that blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police.

Mr. Fryer, the youngest African-American to receive tenure at Harvard and the first one to receive a John Bates Clark medal, a prize given to the most promising American economist under 40, said his anger after the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray and others drove him to study the issue. “You know, protesting is not my thing,” he said. “But data is my thing. So I decided that I was going to collect a bunch of data and try to understand what really is going on when it comes to racial differences in police use of force.”


There has to be a sea change in the upbringing of African Americans as well as in the African American leadership. Besides the bias in...
Erik 10 minutes ago

Surprising to whom?


There needs to be another study to determine the demographics when police are shot and killed to possibly determine if there is any racial...

   
He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.

They examined 1,332 shootings between 2000 and 2015, coding police narratives to answer questions such as: How old was the suspect? How many police officers were at the scene? Were they mostly white? Was the officer at the scene for a robbery, violent activity, a traffic stop or something else? Was it nighttime? Did the officer shoot after being attacked or before a possible attack? One goal was to figure out whether police officers were quicker to fire at black suspects.

In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.

But to look at cases where police shootings took place is to see only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t?

To answer this question, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there allowed the researchers to look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer defined this group to include encounters with suspects the police subsequently charged with serious offenses like attempting to murder an officer, or evading or resisting arrest. He also considered suspects shocked with Tasers.

Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot suspects if the suspects were black. This estimate was not very precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in a variety of models that controlled for different factors and used different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #186 on: July 11, 2016, 05:38:14 PM »
having a gun in your pocket is not an automatic death sentence. It just isnt. We dont know he resisted as it started with a tackle... as you stated above. How do we know it didnt start with a tackle?  So, i will always default to facts. Where in my entire compilation of posts on this matter did i deviate from fact?
The facts are they were responding to a call about a man with a gun threatening someone. That person matched the description of the person in the video, the requested he comply, when he didn't they tried to tase him twice and he still resisted, when that failed they tried to take him down physically in doing so they saw the gun in his pocket and with the mans hands down by his side.

Who knows if he was going for it or not, I'm guessing we will never really know. As someone who grappled for years I can tell you most people's natural reaction to someone putting a knee in their chest is to try and get it off not put their hands down by their side but that my opinion.

The fact is this is another incident that would have been avoided had the person complied with police.

The cops showed up for call about a man threatening someone with a gun...I think they showed a lot of restraint up until the point they shot.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #187 on: July 11, 2016, 06:03:51 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

By QUOCTRUNG BUI and AMANDA COX JULY 11, 2016

A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.

“It is the most surprising result of my career,” said Roland G. Fryer Jr., the author of the study and a professor of economics at Harvard. The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.

The result contradicts the mental image of police shootings that many Americans hold in the wake of the killings (some captured on video) of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.; Laquan McDonald in Chicago; Tamir Rice in Cleveland; Walter Scott in South Carolina; Samuel DuBose in Cincinnati; Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, La.; and Philando Castile in Minnesota.

The study did not say whether the most egregious examples — the kind of killings at the heart of the nation’s debate on police shootings — are free of racial bias. Instead, it examined a much larger pool of shootings, including nonfatal ones.

The counterintuitive results provoked debate after the study was posted on Monday, mostly about the volume of police encounters and the scope of the data. Mr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole. This work focused only on what happens once the police have stopped civilians, not on the risk of being stopped at all. Other research has shown that blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police.

Mr. Fryer, the youngest African-American to receive tenure at Harvard and the first one to receive a John Bates Clark medal, a prize given to the most promising American economist under 40, said his anger after the deaths of Michael Brown and Freddie Gray and others drove him to study the issue. “You know, protesting is not my thing,” he said. “But data is my thing. So I decided that I was going to collect a bunch of data and try to understand what really is going on when it comes to racial differences in police use of force.”


There has to be a sea change in the upbringing of African Americans as well as in the African American leadership. Besides the bias in...
Erik 10 minutes ago

Surprising to whom?


There needs to be another study to determine the demographics when police are shot and killed to possibly determine if there is any racial...

   
He and student researchers spent about 3,000 hours assembling detailed data from police reports in Houston; Austin, Tex.; Dallas; Los Angeles; Orlando, Fla.; Jacksonville, Fla.; and four other counties in Florida.

They examined 1,332 shootings between 2000 and 2015, coding police narratives to answer questions such as: How old was the suspect? How many police officers were at the scene? Were they mostly white? Was the officer at the scene for a robbery, violent activity, a traffic stop or something else? Was it nighttime? Did the officer shoot after being attacked or before a possible attack? One goal was to figure out whether police officers were quicker to fire at black suspects.

In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.

But to look at cases where police shootings took place is to see only part of the picture. What about situations in which an officer might be expected to fire, but doesn’t?

To answer this question, Mr. Fryer focused on one city, Houston. The Police Department there allowed the researchers to look at reports not only for shootings but also for arrests when lethal force might have been justified. Mr. Fryer defined this group to include encounters with suspects the police subsequently charged with serious offenses like attempting to murder an officer, or evading or resisting arrest. He also considered suspects shocked with Tasers.

Mr. Fryer found that in such situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot suspects if the suspects were black. This estimate was not very precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But in a variety of models that controlled for different factors and used different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #188 on: July 12, 2016, 07:19:09 AM »
You conveniently skipped over reaching for it while resisting, and this ridiculous logic is why you'll never get it. Believe what you will.


Is that what you saw?


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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2016, 07:26:23 AM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/alton-sterling-witness-cops-took-my-phone-my-surveillance-video-locked-me-up.html

That is all fine and dandy, and it certainly looks as if the store owner may have a civil case if all this is true.  However, it has nothing to do with him claiming his friend was tazed multiple times after the cops were called because he threatened to shoot someone

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #192 on: July 12, 2016, 08:32:06 AM »

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #193 on: July 12, 2016, 10:35:58 AM »
You didn't?

i saw one hand being trapped under the cops knee..I didnt see the other hand. Did you?

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #194 on: July 12, 2016, 10:50:02 AM »
i saw one hand being trapped under the cops knee..I didnt see the other hand. Did you?

Odd, you saw it on your frame earlier, from where some honest fact-seeker chose to freeze the footage. It had a line pointing to it, remember? How it was under the officer's control and all.

Yet in the video, the hand moves seconds after that frame. BEFORE shots were fired.

Of course the gun in that right pocket is merely an unfortunate coincidence, but any idea why his hand moved down and where it might've been headed?

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #195 on: July 12, 2016, 11:08:22 AM »


He will be called an Uncle Tom, Sellout and Whitey-sympathizer by the Hebreic Nation after this video! :D
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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #197 on: July 12, 2016, 12:53:54 PM »
that's the NFL player that posted that?

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« Reply #198 on: July 12, 2016, 01:30:13 PM »
that's the NFL player that posted that?

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Re: Cops shoot and kill Hebrew in Baton Rouge.
« Reply #199 on: July 12, 2016, 01:41:05 PM »
Yea, cleveland brown Running Back

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