Drug envy

[Spike]

Imagine living your life as a bodybuilding natty monk, Tupperware bowls, creatine, anabolic windows religiously observed...

Then to never be recognised by anyone as a bodybuilder, if they get recognised as a lifter at all is an amazing accomplishment, its a sad existence.....

This

'Salt' builds naturally as a natty builds cortisol working out so much, hating, and not eating enough cause they have no appetite - the admiration and envy of them, they also build that shit up in the people around them cause it's all they talk about 'lifting, their gains, their food"
youre kind of forced to direct your negative shit toward someone, esp if their girl works out a lot too , so I don't mind - a lot of young professionals do it but in a snide manner

[Waller]

A very successful troll by Mr Shoehorn. 

[dj181]

THIS!

i was talking mainly to you bro, so kinda funny that you agreed with me

[Howard]

Why is it self confessed natties are always moaning about steroid users?

Steroid users never moan about people wanting to stay natty , could their problem by they yearn to be a user but just don't have the guts, or their partners permission?

THAT attitude was one of the major factors that drove me away from natural contests.

I dabbled in moderate cycles for awhile in the mid 1980's.
For $$ and various personal reasons, I competed drug free in the 90's then hung it up and judged by '96.
I competed in a few drug tested feds but hated the holier then thou, natty attitude of many in it.
Plus, most natural contests were half-assed , small, poorly organized events.

For me , it was a lot more personal satisfaction to compete in UNtested shows without drugs.
I didn't kid myself and knew I was limited on how high I could go without the juice.
I figured I wasn't going to be competitive with Haney or Yates, regardless of what I took, so wtf.

The coolest thing was placing  in my wt class at an NPC show and having 'em assume I was juiced.

[Erik C]

i was talking mainly to you bro, so kinda funny that you agreed with me

You're Obviously Confused Then. I Don't Use Drugs.

[Simple Simon]

You're Obviously Confused Then. I Don't Use Drugs.

Really?
You never said.

[Erik C]

Really?
You never said.

OK. You're Just A Troll. I Wasted My Time. My Bad.

[Howard]

You're Obviously Confused Then. I Don't Use Drugs.

...and you think he's confused?

[Erik C]

...and you think he's confused?

Maybe Not As Confused As You Are.

[NelsonMuntz]

Get off your soapbox, people are not perfect, most people don't even have the time nor inclination to perfect their process. Even the greatest who make the most sacrifice don't have a perfect process despite PED use.

sounds like I hit a sore spot, my opinion and I will stay on my soapbox thanks very much.

like I said nothing for or against drugs but most on both sides are lazy and are everything I pointed out above

[Jovo]

- Girl with pretty face, nice butt and rack

- girl who isnt so pretty, avg butt and small tits gets plastic surgery.


 Make sense ?

[SF1900]

I don't do steroids for a variety of reasons, but the main reason I do not do them is the legal ramifications associated with getting caught. If I got caught and charged with possession of steroids (or any drug), my whole career would be down the crapper. It would be stupid of me to risk a lot for an extra 2" on my arms.

[Earl1972]

Why do drug users care about  what natural trainers say? This whole thread is insecure drug users trying to justify there use through rationalization.  If drug users were really pro drug they would tell everyone who compliments their physique that they don't normally look like this and it's the drugs.  Of course they don't because they want the credit when they know without the drug assist they would look very different.

I don't care what drug users take. I just find it comical that they are so insecure that they would risk health and arrest to be thought of as a man.  I have been around this game a long time. I see the same pattern of bodybuilders. Guys that threw away education, job training and future careers to chase the syringe life style. Then after cycling for a decade or two they have to stop.  It's either finances, arrest or declining health.  Do some escape health problems? It's like smokers saying they know an eighty year old that smokes. It's a risk to health and showing those that escaped the odds is just a bad talking point for a debate. I have seen so many who had to stop juicing  go around showing a wrinkled picture they keep in their wallet that they like show people how they use to look. Many look like they never did a push up in their life. Many have said training without the assist is a waste of time. 

Take what ever you want.  Just don't expect me to give you praise.  You don't deserve it. I know what you would look like clean and it isn't pretty.

i'm going to ask you again for at least the 6th or 7th time because you never answer

have you ever used steroids?

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[Ropo]

Why is it self confessed natties are always moaning about steroid users?

Steroid users never moan about people wanting to stay natty , could their problem by they yearn to be a user but just don't have the guts, or their partners permission?

Well, any given fool can use drugs to make muscles, and this has been proved by Genova, Rich Piana etc. drooling morons. Any fool can grow muscles using drugs, but why you should do it? 90% of users of anabolics doesn't even dream about competing in any sport, they use drugs because of their ego, and that is ridiculous thing to do. It isn't envy, it's just too stupid thing to understand with normal brains, so they are just amazed by that stupidity. Just think what happen when these steroid users stop their cycle. In weeks they lost all the muscles they ever have, and they are just like any other twat you see walking around. It is all in their heads, nothing more. These guys should understand that no one can see what they think they are inside their heads. All we other see is moron training like an ape and cheating himself by using steroids to think that he is somewhat special. Well, he really is, he is stupider than most of others  

[Simple Simon]

Well, any given fool can use drugs to make muscles, and this has been proved by Genova, Rich Piana etc. drooling morons. Any fool can grow muscles using drugs, but why you should do it? 90% of users of anabolics doesn't even dream about competing in any sport, they use drugs because of their ego, and that is ridiculous thing to do. It isn't envy, it's just too stupid thing to understand with normal brains, so they are just amazed by that stupidity. Just think what happen when these steroid users stop their cycle. In weeks they lost all the muscles they ever have, and they are just like any other twat you see walking around. It is all in their heads, nothing more. These guys should understand that no one can see what they think they are inside their heads. All we other see is moron training like an ape and cheating himself by using steroids to think that he is somewhat special. Well, he really is, he is stupider than most of others  

drug user or natty, if you stop training you lose it all anyway.

If you use drugs for ten years and then stop, after 6 months you will be in the same position as you would have been if you trained natty for 10 years.
Its all relative.

[Coffeed]

drug user or natty, if you stop training you lose it all anyway.

If you use drugs for ten years and then stop, after 6 months you will be in the same position as you would have been if you trained natty for 10 years.
Its all relative.

Yes but you'll have the memories that last a lifetime as well as the kidney damage.

[local hero]

Well, any given fool can use drugs to make muscles, and this has been proved by Genova, Rich Piana etc. drooling morons. Any fool can grow muscles using drugs, but why you should do it? 90% of users of anabolics doesn't even dream about competing in any sport, they use drugs because of their ego, and that is ridiculous thing to do. It isn't envy, it's just too stupid thing to understand with normal brains, so they are just amazed by that stupidity. Just think what happen when these steroid users stop their cycle. In weeks they lost all the muscles they ever have, and they are just like any other twat you see walking around. It is all in their heads, nothing more. These guys should understand that no one can see what they think they are inside their heads. All we other see is moron training like an ape and cheating himself by using steroids to think that he is somewhat special. Well, he really is, he is stupider than most of others  

Clearly no envy here

[Simple Simon]

Yes but you'll have the memories that last a lifetime as well as the kidney damage.

Or you can drink socially and get far more kidney and liver damage.
A bottle of wine a night with a meal will fuck you up long term

[Jovo]

Clearly no envy here

how is he envious ? he is just laughing at bloated juicers

[Anglo]

 

[Simple Simon]

how is he envious ? he is just laughing at bloated juicers

You know nothing of human behaviour, the laughing is his own insecurities.

[Jovo]

You know nothing of human behaviour, the laughing is his own insecurities.

maybe

maybe not

I used roids when i was 20 , it was fun , but looking back on it now ( few years later ) its actually embarrassing lol, I cared so much about how my body looked that i injected my self with steroids and got pimples on my shoulders and it made my skin bad. Good ole me walking around the gym all pumped up, the funny looks ? yea haters ! man they're just haters !

Now-a-days i just look at the guys at my gym who juice up as losers who are overcompensating for something ( insert uberman copy pasta here ) and just cringe as i see the side effects develop and as they shrink and stop going to the gym. What was the point of that ? To look worse than before , be an emotional mess and have all the side effects remain for months/permanently ?

These days im cleaned up as i learned a thing or two. Here is what i have learned. Good skin + tan + solid leanish natty physique is what its about (and yea 4-5 clean meals a day isnt hard at all). I train 6 days a week natty + cardio and put my main focus on  other aspects of my life. Where as when i was younger i would always think about which "sick" cycle to run that would get me the "body" and try and learn new training routines to "get some growth happening"

It's all horse shit. Steroids should only be used if your life will ACTUALLY benefit from them ( the genetically elite athletes and fitness models ) .. that means performing well and looking good and having the genetics to not get the shitty side effects that 90% of juicers get and then lose gains .

I mean i admit mike o hearn is a very muscular man, but holy shit , i doubt he has actually achieved as much as he could in life if he put his roiding efforts into education, work and developing an actual business. You know what i mean ? and yea, that sort of makes him a loser in my eyes. Even though he looks better than alot of guys his age , he is actually a loser compared to the dude who stays in shape , but is a doctor, and no one in the real world actually respects him, or cares about the muscles.  Because people in the real world respect 10 years of education that is actually applicable in helping people than some guy who increased the amount of amino acids and size of mitochondria in his muscle cells. Yea ?

[Never1AShow]

Reg park taught Arnold all about steroids.

Now, are you going to post a pic of just fuck off to your secluded cove , the only place you feel comfortable taking your shirt off?

The most important question needing answered in this thread is:  Is it Reg as in Keg or Reg as in Ledge?

[Simple Simon]

maybe

maybe not

I used roids when i was 20 , it was fun , but looking back on it now ( few years later ) its actually embarrassing lol, I cared so much about how my body looked that i injected my self with steroids and got pimples on my shoulders and it made my skin bad. Good ole me walking around the gym all pumped up, the funny looks ? yea haters ! man they're just haters !

Now-a-days i just look at the guys at my gym who juice up as losers who are overcompensating for something ( insert uberman copy pasta here ) and just cringe as i see the side effects develop and as they shrink and stop going to the gym. What was the point of that ? To look worse than before , be an emotional mess and have all the side effects remain for months/permanently ?

These days im cleaned up as i learned a thing or two. Here is what i have learned. Good skin + tan + solid leanish natty physique is what its about (and yea 4-5 clean meals a day isnt hard at all). I train 6 days a week natty + cardio and put my main focus on  other aspects of my life. Where as when i was younger i would always think about which "sick" cycle to run that would get me the "body" and try and learn new training routines to "get some growth happening"

It's all horse shit. Steroids should only be used if your life will ACTUALLY benefit from them ( the genetically elite athletes and fitness models ) .. that means performing well and looking good and having the genetics to not get the shitty side effects that 90% of juicers get and then lose gains .

I mean i admit mike o hearn is a very muscular man, but holy shit , i doubt he has actually achieved as much as he could in life if he put his roiding efforts into education, work and developing an actual business. You know what i mean ? and yea, that sort of makes him a loser in my eyes. Even though he looks better than alot of guys his age , he is actually a loser compared to the dude who stays in shape , but is a doctor, and no one in the real world actually respects him, or cares about the muscles.  Because people in the real world respect 10 years of education that is actually applicable in helping people than some guy who increased the amount of amino acids and size of mitochondria in his muscle cells. Yea ?

So in a nutshell you were a fuckwit who abused steroids now you have grown up you think abusing drugs isnt a good idea, guess what, I think abusing drugs is dumb as well, only I knew that when I was 20.

I dont even look like a bodybuilder with my clothes on, I just look lean and athletic, no walking around lats flared out giving it the big I am.
I look good year round, Im always in shape.
I have a good job, a life, I have no friends who are bodybuilders, I dont hang around that lifestyle.

[Jovo]

What is your point ? Yea, I done steroids when i was 20 , and realized its a douche bag thing to do, I admitted my mistake. But I was 20, so it's kinda "ok" to do stupid shit like steroids to "get big" .. you know ? How do you think the general population thinks/feels when they see 25+ year olds jooocin' their way to "get attention" ... yea that was my point.

Ps: any use of steroids outside of what a doc/endo directs is abuse.

PPs: i wasn't aiming my comments at you, but at your argument of him being "envious" of some guy who chose to stick syringes in his muscle and fill a spot of with drugs that are suspended in oil.