Drug envy

[Simple Simon]

What is your point ? Yea, I done steroids when i was 20 , and realized its a douche bag thing to do, I admitted my mistake. But I was 20, so it's kinda "ok" to do stupid shit like steroids to "get big" .. you know ? How do you think the general population thinks/feels when they see 25+ year olds jooocin' their way to "get attention" ... yea that was my point.

Ps: any use of steroids outside of what a doc/endo directs is abuse.

PPs: i wasn't aiming my comments at you, but at your argument of him being "envious" of some guy who chose to stick syringes in his muscle and fill a spot of with drugs that are suspended in oil.

is that a legal standpoint or a moral one?

[Jovo]

is that a legal standpoint or a moral one?

is 12 weeks of test abuse ?

[Simple Simon]

is 12 weeks of test abuse ?

People normally respond to questions with an answer, not another question.

[Van_Bilderass]

is that a legal standpoint or a moral one?

One doctors prescription another doc sees as illegitimate and harmful ie abuse. There is no "one view" in the medical community either when it comes to even HRT.

[Jovo]

People normally respond to questions with an answer, not another question.

responding to a question with a question is a good way to help a person develop an understanding of a topic.

Ps: you brought the whole "abuse" topic up

[Never1AShow]

One doctors prescription another doc sees as illegitimate and harmful ie abuse. There is no "one view" in the medical community either when it comes to even HRT.

If you haven't learned by now that doctors are no more correct or wise than anyone else you haven't been paying attention.  The whole opioids epidemic is their fault.

Look at Viagra, purely recreational, but legal.  No moral difference between that and taking roids.

[Simple Simon]

responding to a question with a question is a good way to help a person develop an understanding of a topic.

Ps: you brought the whole "abuse" topic up

Not when the question really doesnt have any relevance to the thread or topic.
And yes, I introduced the word "abuse" because getting a spotty back full of pimples indicates you took too much for your body to handle, hence the term abuse.

Just because you couldnt use steroids sensibly and attain a nice physique you are bitter and envious of those who do.

Now, hows that for back on topic?

[Jovo]

Not when the question really doesnt have any relevance to the thread or topic.
And yes, I introduced the word "abuse" because getting a spotty back full of pimples indicates you took too much for your body to handle, hence the term abuse.

Just because you couldnt use steroids sensibly and attain a nice physique you are bitter and envious of those who do.

Now, hows that for back on topic?

you sort of ignored the part where i said its fine if you got good genetics ( ie: dont get pimples) .. most people get pimples or the skin looks "different" to before steroids, i cant explain it. I got some shoulder pimples, but mine wasnt bad. But when you actually compare it to clean tanned skin, its inferior.

Cmon man, are you honestly going to say that the majority pf people get no side effects of steroids ? i know some people dont, but lets be real here m8 , even standard 400-500 mg of test for 3 months with aromasin will give you SOME sides. ( and are you going to say that is too much ? )

Just like some girls can look sexy with the help of steroids , most will get sides with any dose that gets you muscular gains.

also im not sure where you got that i have envious and bitter, you are putting words in my mouth

[Simple Simon]

you sort of ignored the part where i said its fine if you got good genetics ( ie: dont get pimples) .. most people get pimples or the skin looks "different" to before steroids, i cant explain it. I got some shoulder pimples, but mine wasnt bad. But when you actually compare it to clean tanned skin, its inferior.

Cmon man, are you honestly going to say that the majority pf people get no side effects of steroids ? i know some people dont, but lets be real here m8 , even standard 400-500 mg of test for 3 months with aromasin will give you SOME sides. ( and are you going to say that is too much ? )

Just like some girls can look sexy with the help of steroids , most will get sides with any dose that gets you muscular gains.

here is my skin at 51 years old, lets see your lovely skin.

[Jovo]

here is my skin at 51 years old, lets see your lovely skin.

Why did you take my comments so personally that you felt the need to show me photos of your muscles ?

also are you on steroids ? on HRT ? i dont know ? what is your actual point ?

[Simple Simon]

Why did you take my comments so personally that you felt the need to show me photos of your muscles ?

I felt the need to prove my point that you are talking shite, now, where are you pics of your lovely skin that you have managed to maintain while being natty.

[Van_Bilderass]

There is no way to do roids at any dose with zero risk. Therefore the term "abuse" really is only a matter of opinion.

[Jovo]

I felt the need to prove my point that you are talking shite, now, where are you pics of your lovely skin that you have managed to maintain while being natty.

so because you didnt get acne from steroids that nullifies my argument that most people do ( from observations in the gym )

like , good on you pal, you're 51 and ripped ( according to the shirtless photos you sent to a 22 year old dude )

[Simple Simon]

There is no way to do roids at any dose with zero risk. Therefore the term "abuse" really is only a matter of opinion.

There is no way to eat eggs in any amount with ZERO risk,

[Simple Simon]

so because you didnt get acne from steroids that nullifies my argument that most people do ( from observations in the gym )

like , good on you pal, you're 51 and ripped ( according to the shirtless photos you sent to a 22 year old dude )

I didnt send anything to you, I posted it online.
Anyone who uses steroids sensibly doesnt get acne.

[Jovo]

I didnt send anything to you, I posted it online.
Anyone who uses steroids sensibly doesnt get acne.

you posted it online as some sort of closet homo "challenge", but that is besides the point.

Just because jay cutler hasnt got a single pimmple on his body and has a full head of hair and is (seemingly healthy) , this does not mean that 90% of guys who use gear will get the same experience, get what i mean ? or is that logic too hard for you to grasp ?

Just like most people who smoke meth will destroy their lives, doesnt mean that one in 1000 won't become a millionare from the superb stimulation.

[NelsonMuntz]

So in a nutshell you were a fuckwit who abused steroids now you have grown up you think abusing drugs isnt a good idea, guess what, I think abusing drugs is dumb as well, only I knew that when I was 20.

I dont even look like a bodybuilder with my clothes on, I just look lean and athletic, no walking around lats flared out giving it the big I am.
I look good year round, Im always in shape.
I have a good job, a life, I have no friends who are bodybuilders, I dont hang around that lifestyle.

I respect exactly what you just said in this second paragraph, was kind of the main point I wanted to make but failed to in my previous rant

[Explorerspl]

maybe

maybe not

I used roids when i was 20 , it was fun , but looking back on it now ( few years later ) its actually embarrassing lol, I cared so much about how my body looked that i injected my self with steroids and got pimples on my shoulders and it made my skin bad. Good ole me walking around the gym all pumped up, the funny looks ? yea haters ! man they're just haters !

Now-a-days i just look at the guys at my gym who juice up as losers who are overcompensating for something ( insert uberman copy pasta here ) and just cringe as i see the side effects develop and as they shrink and stop going to the gym. What was the point of that ? To look worse than before , be an emotional mess and have all the side effects remain for months/permanently ?

These days im cleaned up as i learned a thing or two. Here is what i have learned. Good skin + tan + solid leanish natty physique is what its about (and yea 4-5 clean meals a day isnt hard at all). I train 6 days a week natty + cardio and put my main focus on  other aspects of my life. Where as when i was younger i would always think about which "sick" cycle to run that would get me the "body" and try and learn new training routines to "get some growth happening"

It's all horse shit. Steroids should only be used if your life will ACTUALLY benefit from them ( the genetically elite athletes and fitness models ) .. that means performing well and looking good and having the genetics to not get the shitty side effects that 90% of juicers get and then lose gains .

I mean i admit mike o hearn is a very muscular man, but holy shit , i doubt he has actually achieved as much as he could in life if he put his roiding efforts into education, work and developing an actual business. You know what i mean ? and yea, that sort of makes him a loser in my eyes. Even though he looks better than alot of guys his age , he is actually a loser compared to the dude who stays in shape , but is a doctor, and no one in the real world actually respects him, or cares about the muscles.  Because people in the real world respect 10 years of education that is actually applicable in helping people than some guy who increased the amount of amino acids and size of mitochondria in his muscle cells. Yea ?

Based on this post I have concluded that using steroids to look better does not fix insecurities. I would of swore a woman wrote this post if it didnt include you personal story lmao

[Van_Bilderass]

There is no way to eat eggs in any amount with ZERO risk,

Sure but try to get a concensus among juicers on abuse. One dude on HRT may say if you do 100mg test and don't keep tabs on your hematocrit every few weeks you are taking huge risks. Another, such as yourself, might say 250mg of test and 100mg of tren is fine without constant health check-ups as long as you feel good and the skin is clear etc. A third fella has been on up to 500mg of test PER DAY for 3 decades and thinks steroids are practically health tonics. As Milos says, steroids build you up, they don't tear you down, lol.

[Jovo]

Based on this post I have concluded that using steroids to look better does not fix insecurities. I would of swore a woman wrote this post if it didnt include you personal story lmao

how so ? Honestly , im curious ? if anything i went from taking extremes to increase muscle mass/appearance to focusing on developing career and other aspects of my existence, that's the opposite of feminine behavior IMHO.

I mean it's fair enough if you can balance education, socialization and career with steroid use, but man, most people can't from experience and observations.

[YngiweRhoads]

I'll take my lifetime natty physique, full head of hair, massive sex drive and optimum health past middle age, thanks.

[Simple Simon]

maybe

maybe not

I used roids when i was 20 , it was fun , but looking back on it now ( few years later ) its actually embarrassing lol, I cared so much about how my body looked that i injected my self with steroids and got pimples on my shoulders and it made my skin bad. Good ole me walking around the gym all pumped up, the funny looks ? yea haters ! man they're just haters !

Now-a-days i just look at the guys at my gym who juice up as losers who are overcompensating for something ( insert uberman copy pasta here ) and just cringe as i see the side effects develop and as they shrink and stop going to the gym. What was the point of that ? To look worse than before , be an emotional mess and have all the side effects remain for months/permanently ?

These days im cleaned up as i learned a thing or two. Here is what i have learned. Good skin + tan + solid leanish natty physique is what its about (and yea 4-5 clean meals a day isnt hard at all). I train 6 days a week natty + cardio and put my main focus on  other aspects of my life. Where as when i was younger i would always think about which "sick" cycle to run that would get me the "body" and try and learn new training routines to "get some growth happening"

It's all horse shit. Steroids should only be used if your life will ACTUALLY benefit from them ( the genetically elite athletes and fitness models ) .. that means performing well and looking good and having the genetics to not get the shitty side effects that 90% of juicers get and then lose gains .

I mean i admit mike o hearn is a very muscular man, but holy shit , i doubt he has actually achieved as much as he could in life if he put his roiding efforts into education, work and developing an actual business. You know what i mean ? and yea, that sort of makes him a loser in my eyes. Even though he looks better than alot of guys his age , he is actually a loser compared to the dude who stays in shape , but is a doctor, and no one in the real world actually respects him, or cares about the muscles.  Because people in the real world respect 10 years of education that is actually applicable in helping people than some guy who increased the amount of amino acids and size of mitochondria in his muscle cells. Yea ?

so because you didnt get acne from steroids that nullifies my argument that most people do ( from observations in the gym )

like , good on you pal, you're 51 and ripped ( according to the shirtless photos you sent to a 22 year old dude )

and a few years later you are 22 and a whole lot wiser
Flintstones, is that you?

[Simple Simon]

I'll take my lifetime natty physique, full head of hair, massive sex drive and optimum health past middle age, thanks.

seriously mate, that hairstyle isnt doing you any favours.

[Jovo]

lol not him

dude you can keep going on with your insults and shit but i have said what i have said.

Honestly in my opinion if you look good you look good, but taking steroids just to look good is kind of extreme man, but its up to you . Im not jealous of you or any other roider, i simply explained how the general public views it. Steroids are fun, but once you're off of them, you wont look as "cool" unless you just stay on all the time ( again , extremes )

[YngiweRhoads]

seriously mate, that hairstyle isnt doing you any favours.

Seriously dude, I'm in a relationship but almost every woman around is attracted to me. I'm like a celebrity walking down the street. You have no idea. Women love long hair. They absolutely love it.