20 rep squats vs Starting strength

[RatedXXX]

Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?

[Master Blaster]

Are you talking old school 20 rep squat  full body routine x 3 per week?

I think Starting strength is pretty well established and safe to follow.

I've never done either but the old timers used to swear by the squats.

But they ate butter and meat everyday, not safe for us noobs.  

[Coach is Back!]

Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?

Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.

Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.

[mr.turbo]

will liver tablets be included in this?

[RatedXXX]

Rippetoe has made a bad name for himself in the S&C community. He's right up there with Poliquin.

Find your 1RM in your indicator lifts, pick your assistance lifts to reinforce the main the lift and build on percentages going up 5-10lbs per week on the main lifts.

Thanks, but I'll stick with the pros.

[polychronopolous]

Rippetoe is the man.

Most entertaining muscle/strength/fitness guy on YouTube with Blaha as a close second.

[judochoke]

i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.

[Coach is Back!]

Thanks, but I'll stick with the pros.

Got it. Have fun with that.

[Boban]

Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?

Starting strength I think. At least that is what I did and it worked really well for me.

[mr.turbo]

don't forget to include dumbell pullovers supersetted with the squats

great for ribcage growth

[RatedXXX]

Got it. Have fun with that.

Lol...you got to love the self-appointed "experts". I actually saw a picture of this guy, and it said it all.

[Mr Anabolic]

i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.

I can vouch for that.  Best with 405 was 18 reps.  315 for 27 reps, and 225 for 55 reps.  I weighed around 175-180lbs when I performed those lifts. 

Squats are the king of all exercises.  All other gym exercises (besides heavy deadlifts) are peanuts by comparison.

[8 INCH not biceps]

Im goinna start one of these programs this weekend. I can't decide which way to go. I think starting strength will give me more bang for my buck but then again the 20 Rep squats program sounds awesome as well. Thoughts?

Go with the 20 rep squats program it will push you to places you didnt thought possible by the third set you will be crying for your momma, 6 weeks on this program plus high calories and you will put on some size and strength.

[Coach is Back!]

Lol...you got to love the self-appointed "experts". I actually saw a picture of this guy, and it said it all.

Gotta love gimmicks. Ron must be really starting to hate this place because he keeps on letting them get approved

[Erik C]

20 rep squats, and GOMAD (Gallon Of Milk A Day) was the old school ticket to building big muscle fast.

Just don't increase the weight too fast. Really it should be increased incrementally, work the hell out of the weight you are using, before you increase the weight. For natural bodybuilding you don't have to do much more than lifting your body weight for results, as the body will only produce so much GH at a time, and lifting heavier won't help.

If you are training for power lifting, then it's a whole different kind of training.

[RatedXXX]

Gotta love gimmicks. Ron must be really starting to hate this place because he keeps on letting them get approved

You come out here and bash an established strength trainer, then offer some gibberish. Now you're upset that you weren't well received?

[RatedXXX]

i did one set of 20 deep reps in the squat with 405. after ten reps, taking lots of deep breaths between each of the remaining reps. hit number 20 and just racked the bar and collapsed. hardest thing i ever did in 40 years of lifting and powerlifting.
only did it one time. that was enough.

That's why I'm leaning toward the Starting Strength. I expect to workout hard but I don't know that turning each workout into a miserable experience is either safe or good for morale.

[Henda]

20 rep squats are good if not done in the foolish "take your 10 rep max and get 20, then do it 3x per week and add 5lbs per workout" best to start with a weight you could get 30 with and train once a week adding 5lbs a week, slower to start but will almost certainly progress further in the long run.
 
That being said I believe 3 to 5 sets of 5 reps all with the same weight to be a far better way to train, similar volume with a much heavier load, and a far more comfortable way to train

[Schmoff]

[Erik C]

Yes! Absolutely, whole milk, with its high fat content, to make GOMAD really work for you!

[Dr Dutch]

20 rep squats, and GOMAD (Gallon Of Milk A Day) was the old school ticket to building big muscle fast.

Just don't increase the weight too fast. Really it should be increased incrementally, work the hell out of the weight you are using, before you increase the weight. For natural bodybuilding you don't have to do much more than lifting your body weight for results, as the body will only produce so much GH at a time, and lifting heavier won't help.

If you are training for power lifting, then it's a whole different kind of training.

I must be fair: Eric C got a good point here, although I still maintain the fact that George Washington wasn't born in the United States..

[mr.turbo]

rippetoe is a pretty solid trainer

[mr.turbo]

You come out here and bash an established strength trainer, then offer some gibberish. Now you're upset that you weren't well received?

coach has a couple olympic athletes

their prep was partially completed at MFP prior to their competitions in Rio.

[Bossa]

I haven't tried either but got good results from Wendler's 531

[Hollyweird]

What doesn't kill you can only make you stronger.
If a 'trainer' gives you advice that you know you are capable to handle in terms of weight and isn't going to physically damage you in the short term - why not try it?

Everybody's an expert but you're the only expert of handling how your body will work.

All these gurus.... Good luck.