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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2016, 05:29:59 PM »
White House Protest Will Counter Obama-Saudi Campaign to Kill 9/11 Lawsuit Bill

As the Obama administration and the Saudi government lobby Congress to prevent an override of the president’s promised veto of a bill that would enable 9/11 lawsuits against the kingdom, family members are organizing a White House protest of that veto for this Tuesday.

9/11 family members, survivors and other concerned citizens will convene near the White House at Lafayette Square on Tuesday, September 20 at 12:30 pm and organizers are arranging for bus transportation. If you can join them, you’re encouraged to sign up at passJASTA.org (whether you need transportation or not).

Effort to Kill 9/11 Bill Quietly Strengthens

The bill at the center of this controversy is the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA), which has now passed both the Senate and House via unanimous voice votes. President Obama has until Friday, September 23 to veto the measure, and appears likely to use all of that time to lobby lawmakers against overriding him.

With Congress poised to go on a lengthy election-season recess, the delay could also prevent the override vote from happening until much later this year, when legislators won’t face voter retaliation if they help Obama kill the measure.

The New York Times reported yesterday that “already, cracks are showing, even among Republicans who generally would love to exercise the first veto override against Mr. Obama.” One of those wavering Republicans is Tennessee senator Bob Corker, who told the Times that passing the law would encourage other countries to reciprocate, exposing the U.S. government to suits filed by family members of innocent victims of U.S. drone strikes.

Since he isn’t up for re-election this year, Corker is a logical point man for Republicans who are sympathetic to the administration’s drive to kill the bill. Corker has also supported Saudi Arabia’s U.S.-facilitated war in Yemen, which is creating mass suffering among Yemen’s population while strengthening al-Qaeda’s position in the country.

In July, 28 long-classified pages from a 2002 congressional intelligence inquiry into 9/11 were declassified. They catalog dozens of inter-connections between Saudi government employees, suspected intelligence operatives, al-Qaeda associates and individuals who aided the 9/11 hijackers. Some of the most important revelations concerned the then-Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2016, 01:35:40 PM »
A little background on the matter, to give an idea of what it is about.  Stopping information from being recorded, and going through ridiculous lengths to do that -- which is quite a sick joke when you think of the impact 9/11 has had on ordinary American society aka "the little people".  (Published April 2016.)

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Former FBI agent John Guandolo, who worked 9/11 and related al Qaeda cases out of the bureau’s Washington field office, says Bandar should have been a key suspect in the 9/11 probe.

“The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party,” Guandolo said. “He should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US government knows are currently funding the global jihad.”

But Bandar held sway over the FBI.

After he met on Sept. 13, 2001, with President Bush in the White House, where the two old family friends shared cigars on the Truman Balcony, the FBI evacuated dozens of Saudi officials from multiple cities, including at least one Osama bin Laden family member on the terror watch list. Instead of interrogating the Saudis, FBI agents acted as security escorts for them, even though it was known at the time that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

“The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House,” said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House “let them off the hook.”

What’s more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.

“The FBI covered their ears every time we mentioned the Saudis,” said former Fairfax County Police Lt. Roger Kelly.


Bandar relaxes at the White House with Bush, Cheney and Rice on 9-13-01


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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2016, 01:02:39 PM »
To be fair, here's an argument against JASTA.  Try not to laugh at the ridiculousness.

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With respect to security, many observers believe that this bill will foster a political environment that will paint an unflattering and grossly inaccurate image of the United States as an enemy of Islam and all of its practitioners.

This will play right into the handbook of extremist groups, who will not miss the slightest chance of employing this incendiary narrative for their recruitment efforts, as they are in a perpetually constant and desperate need to create any justification for the demonization of America.

Talk about senseless.  Wow.  Wtf does this mean, when it comes to "fighting terror"?

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2016, 01:52:17 PM »
JASTA Facts

Our organization, the 9/11 Families & Survivors United for Justice Against Terrorism, consists of over 9,000 family members and survivors, seeking the truth, accountability and justice against all perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack against our nation.

Today, we are still witnessing terrorist attacks with radical Islamist’s fingerprints all over them. We are not safer today, because terrorist organizations like al Qaeda, ISIS and Boco Haram continue to thrive, growing in numbers, and spreading throughout the world. We must stop the flow of money to the terrorists in order to STOP future attacks against the United States.

IMPORTANT FACTS:

JASTA corrects a potential grievous error by a federal court ruling that no one can be held accountable for financing or supporting a terrorist attack inside our borders as long as they provided the money or support from outside the United States.

JASTA makes clear that those who support terrorism against the United States can be held accountable no matter where the money or support was given.

JASTA ensures that victims of terrorist attacks have the power to hold terrorist financiers accountable, to bring justice and to make our nation safer by:

  • Protecting Victims’ Rights: making clear what Congress intended, which is that private citizens can take legal action against those who provide financial or material support toward acts of terrorism, extrajudicial killing and torture in the United States.

  • Removing the Cover of Sovereign Immunity: making clear that being a foreign state shall have no immunity for actions taken in support of terrorist acts occurring in the United States.

  • Re-establishing Jurisdiction: making clear that the law requires only that the injury occur in the United States, and that the U.S. Courts do have jurisdiction over actions carried out, in part, outside the U.S. that produce injury or damage inside the United States.

JASTA will prevent terrorism financing cases against foreign states from being subject to the whims of transient political considerations and will instead ensure that they are based upon core principles of justice and the rule of law.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2016, 12:46:11 PM »
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Two commission lawyers investigating the Saudi support network for the hijackers complained their boss, [9/11 Commission Executive Director] Philip Zelikow, blocked them from issuing subpoenas and conducting interviews of Saudi suspects.

9/11 Commission member John Lehman was interested in the hijackers’ connections to Bandar, his wife and the Islamic affairs office at the embassy. But every time he tried to get information on that front, he was stonewalled by the White House.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2016, 12:51:17 PM »
Looks like Obama may be waiting until the last minute today (Friday), when he has the most cover.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2016, 01:55:34 PM »
Veto is in, CoB Eastern, Friday.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2016, 03:19:58 PM »


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Former FBI agent John Guandolo, who worked 9/11 and related al Qaeda cases out of the bureau’s Washington field office, says Bandar should have been a key suspect in the 9/11 probe.

“The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party,” Guandolo said. “He should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US government knows are currently funding the global jihad.”



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“The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House,” said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House “let them off the hook.”

What’s more, Rossini said the bureau was told no subpoenas could be served to produce evidence tying departing Saudi suspects to 9/11. The FBI, in turn, iced local investigations that led back to the Saudis.



Directly from the 28 pages:

“Al Bayoumi provided substantial assistance to hijackers Khalid al Mihdhar and Nawaf al Hazmi after they arrived in San Diego in February 2000.”

“Al Bayoumi had extensive contact with SAUDI Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a SAUDI company affiliated with the SAUDI Ministry of Defense.”

“The documentary evidence that al Bayoumi provided assistance to al Hazmi and al Mihdhar is solid.”

“The FBI discovered that al Bayoumi had far more extensive ties to the SAUDI Government than previously realized.”

“Bassnan has many ties to the SAUDI Government.”

“Bassnan reportedly received funding and possibly a fake passport from SAUDI Government officials.”

“Bassnan and his wife have received financial support from the SAUDI Ambassador to the United States and his wife.”

“Bassnan also has other ties to the SAUDI Government.”

“Bassnan’s wife received a monthly stipend from Princess Haifa.”

“These checks were payable to Bassnan’s wife and were drawn on the Riggs Bank account of Prince Bandar’s wife.”

“Bassnan cashed a check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000.”

“Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar.”

“Bassnan is an extremist and supporter of Usama Bin Ladin.”

“Bassnan spoke of Bin Ladin as if he were a god.”

“Bassnan also knew Bin Ladin’s family in SAUDI Arabia and speaks on his mobile phone with members of the family who are living in the United States.”

“The Ibn Tamiyah Mosque in Culver City is a site of extremist-related activity.”

“An FBI agent said he believed that SAUDI Government money was being laundered through the Ibn Tamiyah Mosque.”

“There are also indications of SAUDI Government support for terrorist activity through charitable organizations.”

“CIA, Treasury, and FBI officials have all expressed their concern about the al-Haramain Foundation’s ties to both the SAUDI Government and terrorist activity.”

“The al Haramain Foundation has clear ties to the SAUDI Government and intelligence reporting suggests it is providing financial and logistical support to al Qaeda.”

“The FBI has located correspondence between al Bayoumi and the al Haramain Islamic Foundation.”

“The subject of Phoenix and Portland FBI counterterrorism investigations, also has close ties to a member of the SAUDI royal family.”

“Although his name was on the State Department watchlist, BLANK was apparently able to circumvent the Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service because he was traveling with the SAUDI prince.”

“The FBI expressed their concern that BLANK and others were using their status as SAUDI Arabian Airlines employees as a cover to enable them to transport weapons in and out of the United States.”

“In testimony and interviews, a number of FBI agents and CIA officers complained to the Joint Inquiry about a lack of SAUDI cooperation in terrorism investigations both before and after the September 11 attacks.”

“The SAUDIS have been useless and obstructionist for years.”

“The SAUDIS will only act when it is in their self-interest.”

“When a high level officer was asked how the September 11 attacks might have been prevented, he cited greater SAUDI cooperation, pointing to an example from the summer of 2001 when the U.S. government requested SAUDI assistance, with no success.”

“According to the former Chief of Alec Station, it was clear from about 1996 that the SAUDI Government would not cooperate with the United States on matters relating to Usama Bin Ladin.”

“The SAUDIS had stopped providing background information or other assistance on Bin Ladin because Bin Ladin had too much information about official SAUDI dealings with Islamic extremists in the 1980s for Riyadh to deliver him into U.S. hands.”

“The former Chief of Alec Station thought that the U.S. government’s hope of eventually obtaining SAUDI cooperation was unrealistic because SAUDI assistance to the U.S. government on this matter was contrary to SAUDI national interests.”


Two days after 9/11, Bandar drinks at the White House with Cheney, Bush and Rice.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2016, 03:58:14 PM »
Repubs want to bitch about Obama letting the 911 guilty walk.  But that also means admitting bush was a part of it.  Damn.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2016, 04:13:42 PM »
Repubs want to bitch about Obama letting the 911 guilty walk.  But that also means admitting bush was a part of it.  Damn.

Yep, main people protected in America are top Bush people.  So everyone's baffled on how to react.  Works like a dream.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2016, 09:44:12 AM »
President's veto was overturned.... 97-1....  :o :o :o
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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2016, 09:51:34 AM »
Of course he will! Typical Libtard. Screw America first. Blame America first. Cost America first. Help Americans never.

the libs in the senate seem to be shitting on obama here

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2016, 12:22:21 PM »
President's veto was overturned.... 97-1....  :o :o :o

Congress rejects Obama veto of 9/11 bill, in first override of presidency

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/28/congress-rejects-obama-veto-911-bill-in-first-override-presidency.html

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Marking a significant defeat for the White House, the House ensured the bill will become law after voting 348-77 to override Wednesday afternoon. This followed a 97-1 vote hours earlier in the Senate.

That fucking dinosaur again:
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The lone "no" vote in the Senate was Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.


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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2016, 12:32:26 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/298290-white-house-lashes-out-at-embarrassing-senate-veto


Obama can go catch aids and croak from banging an indoneasian hooker for all I care.  FNG traitor communist thug pos  - F Him

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2016, 12:34:13 PM »
Repubs want to bitch about Obama letting the 911 guilty walk.  But that also means admitting bush was a part of it.  Damn.

 ::)  Typical 240 - please bro - STFU sometimes

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2016, 01:13:12 PM »
Needless to say, Lindsey Graham and his pals have been very helpful to Obama in the past several months.

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They managed to add a provision that would allow the executive branch to halt the litigation if the executive branch proved in court that good-faith negotiations for a settlement with a nation were underway. This would preserve the executive branch’s purview over foreign policy while still giving a pathway for family members to sue.

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Re: Obama to VETO Bill Allowing 9/11 Victim Families to Sue
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2016, 02:52:40 PM »
::)  Typical 240 - please bro - STFU sometimes

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Do you think this dude from the saudi govt gave $ and support to the 911 hijackers, as those 28 pages show?

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