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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 08:59:24 PM »
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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 09:02:51 PM »
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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2016, 10:17:20 PM »
PfffffT Calves!!.....Not even juice would bring them up!...

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2016, 10:28:32 PM »
We've all read Arnold's stories about going to train with Reg Park who was using huge weights for his calves - 1000 lbs plus! This sounds like BS to me.

First of all Reg Park's calves were really not that amazing so obviously those heavy weights were not working. Steve Reeves had better calves (genetics) compared to Reg Park.

In my own experience I found using huge weights in calves training just meant that my form suffered and I could not do enough reps to get them to burn intensely. I have had better results with very high reps (25 - 50 lbs) and light weight or even body weight. When you look at ballet dancers they have amazing calves and are doing mostly body weight exercises.

Arnold was a bullshit artist. Remember the bad advices he gave the guy who yelled out onstage all oiled up and had to be carried off because of all the noise he was making - lol?

How many people have fucked up their feet / back trying to handle weights on the calves machines they shouldn't have because they heard about what Arnold said?

I also read that Arnold used esiclene in his calves to add that extra inch or more for photo shoots / competitions. Who knows. Just always been suspicious about him equating huge weights with calves growth when I found in my own case it just means sloppy form.

Well, if you are an idiot, you just follow what your idols do an try to copy that. If you have a brains, you do what ever make your muscles grow. It is common knowledge that calves are hard to train, so why wouldn't you follow thse simple thumb rules:

1. Full fucking range of motion
2. As much weight you can lift with ful fucking range of motion at least 15 reps.
3. repeate until you have bigger calves.

I see full range of motion used for the calves only when I train them myself. I wonder why it is like that? Because you can lift metric tons with 1-1½" range of motion, and it make your ego feel good. It doesn't do much for your calves, but your ego grows so you can add even more weight  ;D

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2016, 10:32:26 PM »
From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!...

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2016, 10:44:39 PM »
From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!...

In fact you are just proving my words. Let see your earlier statement: "PfffffT Calves!!.....Not even juice would bring them up!..." and then: "From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!..." So if not even juice would bring them up, how do you know that heavy reps do?

And you are telling that you aren't man enough to go beyond the pain barrier, which means working your way through the pain of lactic acid buildup? Pain is only feeling, put it a side and continue reps, and you see what happens. All the real gains are there. Haven't you heard it? No pain, no gain  ;D

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2016, 10:52:16 PM »
Been There with or without juice!....To Be Honest, for Calves, don't make a difference, Just Genetics, Nothing Else!!....Take a lot of Respect From Your Post, You're definitely Right!...

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2016, 11:20:08 PM »
Been There with or without juice!....To Be Honest, for Calves, don't make a difference, Just Genetics, Nothing Else!!....Take a lot of Respect From Your Post, You're definitely Right!...

Fuck the genetics, it is only an excuse for getting easy way out. There is plenty of examples how bodybuilders has improve their weak calves by plain old hard work, because that is what works. And it works for everybody, you just need to do it, or cry and do it, until smoke comes out from your calves. Long reps, long range of motion and long stretches between the sets would do it for anybody.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2016, 11:21:44 PM »
It all boils down to genetics. Black men have no calves for example. There is a large Dutch man in my town of many large Dutch people, he is old and has a lot of back pain. He is huge and has never worked out. His calves are twice the size of Arnold in his prime I shit you not. Genetics baby.
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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2016, 11:22:14 PM »
Well, if you are an idiot, you just follow what your idols do an try to copy that. If you have a brains, you do what ever make your muscles grow. It is common knowledge that calves are hard to train, so why wouldn't you follow thse simple thumb rules:

1. Full fucking range of motion
2. As much weight you can lift with ful fucking range of motion at least 15 reps.
3. repeate until you have bigger calves.

I see full range of motion used for the calves only when I train them myself. I wonder why it is like that? Because you can lift metric tons with 1-1½" range of motion, and it make your ego feel good. It doesn't do much for your calves, but your ego grows so you can add even more weight  ;D
Well, young kids growing up don't know yet how their muscles will respond and if they read Arnold did 1000 lbs calf raises I am sure some are going to try to go as heavy as they can. After a few years they realize oh shit that was BS! And why a few years. Because they keep thinking the weight is not enough!

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2016, 11:24:24 PM »
It all boils down to genetics. Black men have no calves for example. There is a large Dutch man in my town of many large Dutch people, he is old and has a lot of back pain. He is huge and has never worked out. His calves are twice the size of Arnold in his prime I shit you not. Genetics baby.
This. I see this all the time. Old white fat guys with ripped calves. I've seen a few older white women with mind boggling calves that are striated and veins everywhere. Just unreal. And you know what, if they did heavy standing calves their calves would improve a little but not enough to justify all that effort.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2016, 11:38:09 PM »
This. I see this all the time. Old white fat guys with ripped calves. I've seen a few older white women with mind boggling calves that are striated and veins everywhere. Just unreal. And you know what, if they did heavy standing calves their calves would improve a little but not enough to justify all that effort.

The best biggest most freaky ripped calves I've ever seen was on an old fat lady. Swear to god Dorian would have been jealous. To this day I'm in awe. Wish I had a pic.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2016, 12:09:12 AM »
The best biggest most freaky ripped calves I've ever seen was on an old fat lady. Swear to god Dorian would have been jealous. To this day I'm in awe. Wish I had a pic.
I don't doubt it. I just shake my head when I see that. I've seen old thin women with huge ripped calves. Everything else is falling apart but those damn calves hang in there till the end.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2016, 05:27:35 AM »
Heavy or light, mine never grew.  I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.

For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain.  Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.

I have genetically poor calves. Furthermore, I broke my leg and destroyed my right knee, only to rip the Achilles on the left side a  yr later. Naturally, my calves went from bad to worse. I got them bigger than ever by simply doing light weight, high rep seated and or standing raises, coupled with body weight exercises every day. By no means do I have great calves, nor are they a standout body part for me, but I do feel no embarrassment in shorts and I'm happy enough with them. I now only train them 2 or 3 times weekly and they're fine

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2016, 05:58:25 AM »
Every time a thread like this comes up about calves I keep telling you guys the proper way to train them for maximum results and nobody listens so I'm not telling you guys again!

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2016, 05:59:20 AM »
Hit your calves with a hammer and see how sore they get. A 1000lbs hammer.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2016, 06:24:37 AM »
All you fuckers are spoiled to hell.  My gym has no standing calf machine at all, much less a donkey calf machine.  Im too shy to ask some stranger to sit on my back for donkeys.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2016, 08:19:19 AM »
Banded calve work twice a week 3 sets 8,6,4 increasing resistance per set....
Good example here of how juice doesn't help your muscle bellies.  If you have poor calves, even juice doesn't help.  But, it is fun to watch guys wear long black socks and pants to the gym...so, keep it up.
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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2016, 08:27:23 AM »
Seriously: I always found the Arnold-calf thing amazing. He was (so is) very ecto with poor calves to start with. He brought up his to a very high level, at that time. I am sure they weren't implants, we're talking 40-plus years ago...pics and films show that it's muscle beyond a doubt.

So: how did he do it? I think the only answer is that Arnold really had that rare capability to train and train and train beyond pain and belief, and that it payed off. Arnold had (has) that unique personality that made it possible for him to become what he became.

I do not like the US in some cases, but Arnold is the American Dream himself....

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2016, 08:30:42 AM »
If you have shit calves, you will always have shit calves, I had good calves at 15 carrying beds up and downstairs at a furniture store.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2016, 08:32:04 AM »
Biking also helps with calves.
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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2016, 08:51:42 AM »
Biking also helps with calves.


Not as much as speed skating, cross country skiing, and speed walking.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2016, 08:53:46 AM »
Not as much as speed skating, cross country skiing, and speed walking.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2016, 09:15:00 AM »
Prove?


https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+fitzrandolph+legs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYkLCe5JbPAhWM1IMKHZPNCwwQ7AkILA&biw=1437&bih=717#imgdii=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3B805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3BS5vra7_E4bb_gM%3A&imgrc=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A

Everyone who participates intensely in the sports that I mentioned, gets great legs, including calves. Casey Fitzrandolph is just one example. Cyclist don't even have thighs that match them, let alone calves.

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Re: Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2016, 09:17:34 AM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+fitzrandolph+legs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYkLCe5JbPAhWM1IMKHZPNCwwQ7AkILA&biw=1437&bih=717#imgdii=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3B805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3BS5vra7_E4bb_gM%3A&imgrc=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A

Everyone who participates intensely in the sports that I mentioned, gets great legs, including calves. Casey Fitzrandolph is just one example. Cyclist don't even have thighs that match them, let alone calves.

If anything the above pictures prove the use of PEDs only.
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