Arnold Heavy Calves Training - BS??

[Ropo]

Yeah most of us have been there I presume.
It is part of growing up as a BB

Problem here is real simple, and as an old geezer, I have seen it plenty of times. There is always some bloke who cry because he can't get his calves grow. I ask what he do, he show me 1-2" reps with enormous weight, and I laugh at him. Then I show what the range of motion really should be, and put him through a little bit of real workout. When/if he ever returns, he is crying again because he have never experienced that kind of pain.  When I learn it myself, I walk like I have wooden legs because I wasn't able to move my ankles at all. Little bit of rationalization of the training and lot of stretching, and there we go. These spoiled little brats cannot understand it, because they don't even sweat when they are "training".

[Griffith]

I think Arnold basically NEVER trained calves before, that's why there was such a change when he not only started actually training them but really pushed it.

[Erik C]

Problem here is real simple, and as an old geezer, I have seen it plenty of times. There is always some bloke who cry because he can't get his calves grow. I ask what he do, he show me 1-2" reps with enormous weight, and I laugh at him. Then I show what the range of motion really should be, and put him through a little bit of real workout. When/if he ever returns, he is crying again because he have never experienced that kind of pain.  When I learn it myself, I walk like I have wooden legs because I wasn't able to move my ankles at all. Little bit of rationalization of the training and lot of stretching, and there we go. These spoiled little brats cannot understand it, because they don't even sweat when they are "training".

THIS!

[hench]

Thats exactly right, his calves have the same shape today as before when they were untrained just bigger

I think Arnold basically NEVER trained calves before, that's why there was such a change when he not only started actually training them but really pushed it.

[Erik C]

I never do stretching, not even after calf exercises. As a finisher after a calf routine, I use a D.A.R.D. It makes a big difference, hitting the muscles on the "front" of the calves.

Also as a natty, I use a compound exercise, before calf isolation exercises, to naturally release the body's own growth hormone. Usually, it is barbell hack squats, before calf isolation work, 20 reps.

[deviant]

Try going out on a bike once a week, it'll do wonders for your cardio but also bring up your calves....it's that kind of repetitive action performed thousands of times an hour that you cant replicate in the gym.llanybydder.co.uk

Try it, buy a shitty old bike and ride around your neighborhood for an hour a week, you'll get better results than endless calf raises and the assorted other snake oil machines in the gym.

[cephissus]

Try going out on a bike once a week, it'll do wonders for your cardio but also bring up your calves....it's that kind of repetitive action performed thousands of times an hour that you cant replicate in the gym.llanybydder.co.uk

Try it, buy a shitty old bike and ride around your neighborhood for an hour a week, you'll get better results than endless calf raises and the assorted other snake oil machines in the gym.

I bike hours every day, absolutely zero calf gains.

I don't get any calf sensation from walking up hills, jumping, or anything like that either.

I never understood this reasoning, goes so far against "bodybuilding common sense" and every generally espoused theory of hypertrophy.

[light weight baby]

calf training is bullshit

just wear trousers

[obsidian]

Of course you have, 19.5" long calves. But dear child, only diameter is interesting, and if that is the diameter, it is more like a forearm of a child than calves of man..

Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.

Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.

I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??

Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.

[obsidian]

I bike hours every day, absolutely zero calf gains.

I don't get any calf sensation from walking up hills, jumping, or anything like that either.

I never understood this reasoning, goes so far against "bodybuilding common sense" and every generally espoused theory of hypertrophy.

This. Cycling does nothing for my calves. Walking up a hill will work your calves.

These are some of the top cyclists. I don't see big calves on these winners. The one fella has larger calves but the other two are average.

[Henda]

I find it makes zero difference If I train calves or not they look the same, maybe even smaller when training them regularly.

The best workouts I ever got in then were for almost 2 weeks solid doing a very large job on a massive press and had to climb about 12 foot up a cage where you can only fit the fronts of your feet in, we had to make this climb a lot of times a day and stand in that position for good lengths of time.

 Almost every night I'd wake up with cramps in them and it was about a week after they felt normal again, zero growth though even after all that

[Erik C]

So the morals of this thread are:

Don't believe something is true just because it is printed in a muscle mag, or you saw in on the internet.

If something doesn't work, then don't keep wasting your time, doing it over and over again.

And, if something doesn't work, then that doesn't mean nothing will work. Find something that will work for you.

[Ropo]

Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.

Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.

I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??

Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.

Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron?  You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit 

[Dr Dutch]

This. Cycling does nothing for my calves. Walking up a hill will work your calves.

These are some of the top cyclists. I don't see big calves on these winners. The one fella has larger calves but the other two are average.

Cycling sprinters got big calves, but that's just because they got big quads. I don't think theyntrain their calves. They squats during winter for sure, calves are a spin-of I guess.

[Hack Benchers]

Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.

Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.

I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??

Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.

Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron?  You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit 

Calves...........serious businesszzzzz

[OB1]

Impressive size.

[cephissus]

So the morals of this thread are:

Don't believe something is true just because it is printed in a muscle mag, or you saw in on the internet.

If something doesn't work, then don't keep wasting your time, doing it over and over again.

And, if something doesn't work, then that doesn't mean nothing will work. Then again, there's no guarantee anything will work.

Good post.

[Erik C]

Good post.

It was before your "Bad" editing. Something always will work, if you take the time, and do the research, to find it. If you're to lazy to find out what works, then that's on you.

[obsidian]

Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron?  You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit 

Lol, nice try old dumbfuck. I checked and diameter translates into many languages with much of the word intact. You know enough English so nobody is buying your ignorance. Let's face it, you don't really know what you're talking about. And you have never whipped anyone with your mindless rants about conspiracy theories. Why should anyone now take you serious knowing that you are (a) a dumbfuck, (b) old and senile??

French - diamètre
Dutch - diameter
Spanish - diámetro
Italian - diametro
Swedish - diameter
Danish - diameter
Corsican - diamitru
Latvian - diametrs

[obsidian]

Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron?  You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit 

There is at least 3 size of plates in the picture, so what are they? Largest seem to be 50 lb, then 2 x 25 lb and 4 x 12.5 lb per side + weight of the bar, meaning 300lb + bar.

Ropo showing his genius in this post above. Guy is amazing and should open his own University where he can teach Mathematics and English!

None of those plates have the diameter of a 45 lbs plate Ropoooo! Arnold must be curling plutonium plates if some of those are 50lbs - lmao!

[obsidian]

http://travelstrong.net/calf-muscles/

How To Build Calf Muscles

Slow twitch fibres respond best to a high training volume and frequency. This means that you need to do a lot of reps, very often, to get your calves to grow.

Lifting a substantial load, such as your entire bodyweight, regularly for a high number of reps provides ample stimulation for the calves. That’s right – no machines or weights are necessary.

Since you’re not using heavy weights, this training can be performed daily, and it’s the frequency that encourages your body to adapt quickly.

When you train calves doesn’t matter, as long as you do it often. One option is to start each workout with calves, or do a set of calves between every set of every exercise you do at each workout.

The Training Plan

Calf-raises are a great exercise, and by using the sneaky bit of anatomical knowledge from above, it’s possible to apply a number of progressions to the calf-raise that will keep you busy for a long time.

The idea isn’t to rush through the progressions. Rather, you should milk each stage for all it’s worth.

Double leg calf raises off the floor (with a slight bend in the knee)
Double leg calf raises off the floor (straight legs)
Single leg calf raises off the floor (with a slight bend in the knee)
Single leg calf raises off the floor (straight leg)
Double leg calf raises off a step (with a slight bend in the knee)
Double leg calf raises off a step (straight legs)
Single leg calf raises off a step (with a slight bend in the knee)
Single leg calf raises off a step (straight leg)
Start with 4 sets of 20 reps, and don’t move on until you can perform 4 sets of at least 50 reps.

A Few Notes of Form

Stand with your feet shoulder width apart.
You should be barefoot.
You will find the straight leg variations significantly more difficult than bent leg. Going through both variations ensures you are stimulating the gastrocnemius and the soleus.
Control the movement – don’t just bounce up and down.
At the bottom of the movement, be sure to get a good stretch and hold the position for 2-3 seconds.
Aim to get all the way up on your big toe at the top while flexing your calves hard. Pause again for another 2-3 seconds.

The Bottom Line

There’s no doubt that genetics play a huge role in calf development.

The Austrian Oak himself was desperately ashamed of his calves, and went as far as cutting off all of his trousers off at the knee so he had to suffer the embarrassment of having his calves exposed wherever he went.

But even if you did pick the wrong parents you don’t have to give up on your calves altogether. By combining a little science with a smart training plan, you might find yourself proud to wear shorts again.

[Irongrip400]

calf training is bullshit

just wear trousers

Or long pants too.

[light weight baby]

none of these assholes online who claim to have made significant calf gains have ever posted photographic evidence

its fucking make believe bullshit

[baldmanandsexy]

You will get a good pump doing very slow calves raises barefoot (on a flat surface, block not needed, hold a few seconds at the top) with body weight till the pain is so intense you cannot continue. Depending on how heavy you are this could be either 25 or 50 reps. Do a 100 reps of that and they will be in pain the next day.

Another thing that works pretty good are farmer's walks with a 60 lbs dumbbell in each hand. Walk on your toes for 100 feet or more.

I always feel like my calves look so much better after pumping them up. But only 1/2" is added and it is temporary. After the workout they deflate again. My calves are currently around 19" cold and I started out with 15" calves as a teenager!

I guess yes heavyweights (but not 1000 lbs?!) do help occasionally to shock them. I just don't see how anyone could do 1000 lbs raises and not fuck their feet up?

I agree with you - I find that with calves training the weakest link are the feet and ankles. They get punished more than the calves! However with light weights and high reps my calves are sore every time the day after working them out.

you forgot running in the sand 

[Ropo]

Lol, nice try old dumbfuck. I checked and diameter translates into many languages with much of the word intact. You know enough English so nobody is buying your ignorance. Let's face it, you don't really know what you're talking about. And you have never whipped anyone with your mindless rants about conspiracy theories. Why should anyone now take you serious knowing that you are (a) a dumbfuck, (b) old and senile??

French - diamètre
Dutch - diameter
Spanish - diámetro
Italian - diametro
Swedish - diameter
Danish - diameter
Corsican - diamitru
Latvian - diametrs

Ja Suomeksi: halkaisija..läpimitta jne.