Trump is not part of the establishment? What proof?

[240 is Back]

Trump is a marketing/branding expert.  one of the best of our generation.

But my Q for you is... Exactly WHEN did Trump decide to no longer be part of the establishment?   How do you KNOW he is not part of it?  Cause he says so?  (any establishment person would lie). 

Trump spent 40 years greasing palms, playing ball with politicians, making millions and skating away with the help of this establishment . He also, during the convention, DID open up his donations to big donors, as he said he would not do.  He was a big money private sector establishment dude until, um, he turned 68 and decided to run for prez? 

I remember palin 2008 doing the same thing with 'maverick" and she ended up falling in line just like everyone else.   Aside from trump telling us he's anti-establisment, what [bACTIONS[/b] have you seen from trump that show this? 

Zero activism in the real world.  Zero anti-washington action.  Zero shitting on the GOP until he needed to do so to win the nomination.


"Trump is not part of the establishment" = How do you know this?  What has he done to show this?   It's easy to SAY he's gonna flip the system on his head - but these words come from a man who exploited and enjoyed the system right up until the day he decided to run for prez.

[Yamcha]

Trump is a marketing/branding expert.  one of the best of our generation.

But my Q for you is... Exactly WHEN did Trump decide to no longer be part of the establishment?   How do you KNOW he is not part of it?  Cause he says so?  (any establishment person would lie). 

Trump spent 40 years greasing palms, playing ball with politicians, making millions and skating away with the help of this establishment . He also, during the convention, DID open up his donations to big donors, as he said he would not do.  He was a big money private sector establishment dude until, um, he turned 68 and decided to run for prez? 

I remember palin 2008 doing the same thing with 'maverick" and she ended up falling in line just like everyone else.   Aside from trump telling us he's anti-establisment, what [bACTIONS[/b] have you seen from trump that show this? 

Zero activism in the real world.  Zero anti-washington action.  Zero shitting on the GOP until he needed to do so to win the nomination.


"Trump is not part of the establishment" = How do you know this?  What has he done to show this?   It's easy to SAY he's gonna flip the system on his head - but these words come from a man who exploited and enjoyed the system right up until the day he decided to run for prez.

He was a businessman; it wouldn't make sense to make enemies with the government or have "activism"... 

Anyways, everyone in politics and the media hate him... that's why I support him. I want to see the whole system burn.
"Enemy of my Enemy" type of deal. Is he the perfect candidate? No. Is he the best choice in my opinion? Yes.

[Yamcha]

We do have PROOF that Hillary is corrupt and should not hold positions of power.

We do have PROOF that she is physically unfit to serve.

[James]

Trump is a marketing/branding expert.  one of the best of our generation.

But my Q for you is... Exactly WHEN did Trump decide to no longer be part of the establishment?   How do you KNOW he is not part of it?  Cause he says so?  (any establishment person would lie). 

Trump spent 40 years greasing palms, playing ball with politicians, making millions and skating away with the help of this establishment . He also, during the convention, DID open up his donations to big donors, as he said he would not do.  He was a big money private sector establishment dude until, um, he turned 68 and decided to run for prez? 

I remember palin 2008 doing the same thing with 'maverick" and she ended up falling in line just like everyone else.   Aside from trump telling us he's anti-establisment, what [bACTIONS[/b] have you seen from trump that show this? 

Zero activism in the real world.  Zero anti-washington action.  Zero shitting on the GOP until he needed to do so to win the nomination.


"Trump is not part of the establishment" = How do you know this?  What has he done to show this?   It's easy to SAY he's gonna flip the system on his head - but these words come from a man who exploited and enjoyed the system right up until the day he decided to run for prez.

Just look how almost everyone of the Establishment hates him.

[240 is Back]

We do have PROOF that Hillary is corrupt and should not hold positions of power.

We do have PROOF that she is physically unfit to serve.

So the only proof Trump isn't part of the establishment is that Hilary IS part of it?   Nope, doesn't work.
You can't list a handful of things Trump has done in the real world, in his 69 years on the planet, to prove he is anti-establishment?

Now, I do respect it when you say enemy of my enemy, and that's a valid reason to select a canddiate.  


It's odd that for a nearly 70 year old running as a maverick... after a lifetime of playing exactly within the system (including bragging about manipulating it nonstop to get paid lol).....

Is there any PROOF trump is anti-establishment thru ACTIONS he has done?

[240 is Back]

Just look how almost everyone of the Establishment hates him.

They hated Ted Cruz too.  But he shut that motherfugger DOWN, proving he was anti-establishment.  (talking about the debt ceiling thing).

Also cruz has a lifetime resume of pushing for highly conservative causes - and getting results - under bush and as Texas Solicitor General.   Cruz PROVED it.  Cruz CAN list Heller or Oak Grove as ACTIONS proving he would buck the establishment.   And 20+ bills where he fought for personal freedom, screwing the gov ton drone use and even TODAY, he's the ONLY voice talking about internet control staying in america - as obama and hilary as both silent on it

I don't see that action on trump's resume.  NOthing but playing the game until he decided to re-brand as anti-obama and torch the GOP on his way to the white house.  

[Erik C]

Trump isn't a member of any establishment organizations, not even any of the establishment men's clubs.

Hillary made a a visit to the Jupiter Club in Buffalo, NY for a fund raiser. She's been hitting all the establishment men's clubs, for fund raisers. Trump can't even get in the door at these places.

For all his money, the only good golf courses and country clubs that he goes to, are the ones that he owns. He's faced a lot of upper class social rejection, during his life time.

Even the businesses that he was involved in, that filed for bankruptcy, happened because the banks, either cancelled the business' credit line, or refused to extend its credit line. Trump definitely has some grievances against the American Establishment.

[240 is Back]

Trump isn't a member of any establishment organizations, not even any of the establishment men's clubs.

Hillary made a a visit to the Jupiter Club in Buffalo, NY for a fund raiser. She's been hitting all the establishment men's clubs, for fund raisers. Trump can't even get in the door at these places.

For all his money, the only good golf courses and country clubs that he goes to, are the ones that he owns. He's faced a lot of upper class social rejection, during his life time.

Even the businesses that he was involved in, that filed for bankruptcy, happened because the banks, either cancelled the business' credit line, or refused to extend its credit line. Trump definitely has some grievances against the American Establishment.

He isn't in a golf club, so he's anti-establishment?   LOL!!!!

He's been interviewed nonstop since the 1970s.  His words all that time were fairly liberal, until the mid 2000s. 

Lifetime of lib statement, and he isn't in any posh golf clubs, maybe because he OWNS A FEW HIMSELF !!!   lol


I get it, i respect if you like trump because he's not hilary.  But in 70 years on this planet, has he ever bucked the system?  Huge political statements, donations to anti-establishment people/  if anything, the $ alone that he gave to establishment politicians for decades really helped their causes.


LOL he didn't belong to fancy golf clubs... HE OWNED THEM!!

[James]

Trump isn't a member of any establishment organizations, not even any of the establishment men's clubs.

Hillary made a a visit to the Jupiter Club in Buffalo, NY for a fund raiser. She's been hitting all the establishment men's clubs, for fund raisers. Trump can't even get in the door at these places.

For all his money, the only good golf courses and country clubs that he goes to, are the ones that he owns. He's faced a lot of upper class social rejection, during his life time.

Even the businesses that he was involved in, that filed for bankruptcy, happened because the banks, either cancelled the business' credit line, or refused to extend its credit line. Trump definitely has some grievances against the American Establishment.

Their is no doubt that Hillary is, so end of discussion.





Trump/Pence !!

[mass243]

Trump is mocked and downplayed like crazy all over the world.
That alone tells you he is very dangerous man... for the reign political elite.

Exactly same plot as it was with the Brexit.

[James]

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[Erik C]

Hillary is a member of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), and a Bildeberger member, also on the social roster of the Skull and Bones secret society at Yale. (Big surprise the the Bush family supports her)

Trump isn't a member of any of these establishment secret societies

[240 is Back]

Trump is mocked and downplayed like crazy all over the world.
That alone tells you he is very dangerous man... for the reign political elite.

I thought bush was mocked - they hung him in effigy and refused to shake his hand.
Obama is hated/punked too, but they did shake his hand at UN today.

Maybe they think he's dangerous because he is promising to pull NATO out and let russia grow?  Or he wants to let Nkorea be china's problem?  Or because he won't rule out using a nuke in Europe.  Or they hate him because he's already punked london mayor, merkel, and scottish leader on twitter.   Maybe it's cause he just acts like a dick all the time.

LOTS of crazy shit coming out of his mouth.  Why do you assume he's disliked for being "dangerous" in a good way?    No good, this doens't work.  


So far, he doesn't belong to golf clubs he doesn't own, and world leaders don't like him.   THAT IS IT to prove he's anti-establishment?

Sorry, hello no.  Need better examples guys.

[Erik C]

   THAT IS IT to prove he's anti-establishment?

Sorry, hello no.  Need better examples guys.

My examples are great and absolute proof that he can't be defined as part of the American Establishment. His absence from membership in any establishment organization, is clear proof that he's not part of it.

However, 240, instead of asking us to prove a negative, that is scientifically impossible, how about you provide some proof that Trump is part of the America Establishment?

[James]

I thought bush was mocked - they hung him in effigy and refused to shake his hand.
Obama is hated/punked too, but they did shake his hand at UN today.

Maybe they think he's dangerous because he is promising to pull NATO out and let russia grow?  Or he wants to let Nkorea be china's problem?  Or because he won't rule out using a nuke in Europe.  Or they hate him because he's already punked london mayor, merkel, and scottish leader on twitter.   Maybe it's cause he just acts like a dick all the time.

LOTS of crazy shit coming out of his mouth.  Why do you assume he's disliked for being "dangerous" in a good way?    No good, this doens't work.  


So far, he doesn't belong to golf clubs he doesn't own, and world leaders don't like him.   THAT IS IT to prove he's anti-establishment?

Sorry, hello no.  Need better examples guys.

You are voting for the Douche Bag Hillary, so evidently you like the Establishment.

[240 is Back]

However, 240, instead of asking us to prove a negative, that is scientifically impossible, how about you provide some proof that Trump is part of the America Establishment?

“As a businessman and a very substantial donor to very important people, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do,” Trump told The Wall Street Journal in July 2015. “As a businessman, I need that.”

[Erik C]

“As a businessman and a very substantial donor to very important people, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do,” Trump told The Wall Street Journal in July 2015. “As a businessman, I need that.”

Are you saying that all businessmen are part of the establishment?

If Trump was a member of the American Establishment, he wouldn't have pay off anyone to get his project done. The establishment would say, " Old Don's all right, he's one of us, make sure he gets whatever he wants, he'll do one for us some time."

[240 is Back]

Are you saying that all businessmen are part of the establishment?

If Trump was a member of the American Establishment, he wouldn't have pay off anyone to get his project done. The establishment would say, " Old Don's all right, he's one of us, make sure he gets whatever he wants, he'll do one for us some time."

LOL I'm saying all of them who pay off politicians to get their way for decades - as trump happily admits - are sure doing their part to keep the establishment up and running nicely.

In 70 years, you cannot show us a single thing trump did to show he was anti-establishment, aside from "owning his own golf clubs instead of joining others" and some conspiracy stuff.   

[Erik C]

LOL I'm saying all of them who pay off politicians to get their way for decades - as trump happily admits - are sure doing their part to keep the establishment up and running nicely.

In 70 years, you cannot show us a single thing trump did to show he was anti-establishment, aside from "owning his own golf clubs instead of joining others" and some conspiracy stuff.   

Seems you're the only one posting here that doesn't think I proved my case, that Trump is indeed anti-establishment, and for good reason.

[James]

another turd from 240.

[Soul Crusher]

240 - as of today you have 4 choices


Johnson
Trump
Clinton
Stein




Who is your choice - if vote was today?  ill say i was for johnson, but now voting for Trump.   There - see how that works. 

[240 is Back]

also Trump used his charity for personal business & political gains.  Just like clinton and her bullshit foundation. 
more establishment moves.

I get it, SC, and I may not vote for an of them.  When trump is resigning in protest after a year, I'd hate to be partially to blame for it lol. 

In 50 years of adult life, nobody can list anything trump ever did that was anti-establishment.  He played the game as a crooked shady businessman, greasing politicians and being smug thru bankrupticies as investors lost - and then he magically rebrands himself anti-establishment and people just eat it up.

Maybe tomorrow, McD will get new wrappers and call themselves gourmet steak.  I bet trump supporters will eat that shit up too.  "But they say they're gourmet, and you can't prove they're not..."

[Erik C]

240 is completely uniformed, as to what the American Establishment is, and who constitutes its membership. Trump doesn't have now, nor has he ever had, the social station and connections, to be considered part of the American Establishment proper.

[240 is Back]

Trump doesn't have now, nor has he ever had, the social station and connections, to be considered part of the American Establishment proper.

Trump is a billionaire TV star and real estate developer who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to politicians and have been giving political commentary for 30 years. 

LOL @ trump doesn't have the social station or connection.   LOL!

[Erik C]

Trump is a billionaire TV star and real estate developer who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to politicians and have been giving political commentary for 30 years. 

LOL @ trump doesn't have the social station or connection.   LOL!

Wow! Totally stupid! You really don't know what the American Establishment is, nor what social stations, and social connections, determine whether or not you are part of it.