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Terence Crutcher Shooting
« on: September 22, 2016, 10:24:41 AM »
The officer's version.

Tulsa Police Officer Shares Her Side of the Story in Terence Crutcher's Shooting
By JULIA JACOBO

Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby, identified as the officer who shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Friday night, has offered her side of the story in the fatal encounter.

In dashcam and helicopter video released by police, Crutcher appears to have his hands up moments before he is shot by Shelby. Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, maintains that Crutcher refused to follow more than two dozen commands and that he reached into the open window of the car before Shelby perceived a threat and shot him.

The Crutcher family's attorneys Benjamin L. Crump and Damario Solomon-Simmons said the window was up, evidenced by the blood spattered on it when he was shot.

The Department of Justice is investigating Shelby's use of force.

Here is Shelby's side of the story, according to her attorney and the police department.

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Shelby Was Responding to a Different Incident

At about 7:36 p.m. Friday, dispatchers received a 911 call about an abandoned SUV in the middle of a street, with the driver's door open and the engine still running, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said Monday. The caller said a man was running from the vehicle, saying it was "going to blow."

Shelby and another officer were on their way to a domestic violence call when she came across the SUV, Jordan said.

On her way to that call, Shelby saw Crutcher standing in the middle of the road, looking down at the ground, Wood said, adding that she would have stopped and checked up on him had she not been on the other call.

She then saw the SUV parked in the middle of the street, obstructing traffic in both directions, Wood said. The engine was running when she got there, which she found odd because she assumed it was either disabled or broken down, he said.

The Encounter Started More Than a Minute Before What Is Shown on the Released Video

Wood said "it's important to remember" that Shelby was on the scene with Crutcher for about a minute and a half before the start of the video clip released by police on Monday.

When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said.

Wood said that Shelby then said to Crutcher, "Hey, is this your car?"

Crutcher didn't respond, simply dropping his head while continuing to look at Shelby, "kind of under his brow," Wood said. Crutcher then began to put his hand into his left pocket, Wood said, adding that Shelby told Crutcher, "Hey, please keep your hands out of your pocket while you're talking to me. Let's deal with his car."

Crutcher did not respond, Wood said, so Shelby ordered him again to get his hand out of his pocket. He then pulled his hand away and put his hands up in the air, even though he was not instructed to do so, which Shelby found strange, Wood said.

Shelby tried to get Crutcher to talk to her, but he simply mumbled something unintelligible and stared at her, Wood said. He then turned and walked to the edge of the roadway and turned to look at her, his hands still in the air, Wood said. He put his hands down and started to reach into his pocket again, Wood said, and she ordered him again to get his hands out of his pocket.

At this point, Shelby, a drug recognition expert, believed Crutcher was "on something," Wood said, possibly PCP.

Shelby then radioed in that she had a subject "who is not following commands."

"You can kind of hear a degree of stress in her voice when she says that," Wood said.

Shelby then pulled out her gun and had Crutcher at gunpoint as she commanded him to get on his knees, Wood said. She pulled out a gun instead of a Taser because she thought he had a weapon, and she was planning to arrest him for being intoxicated in public and possibly obstructing the investigation, Wood said.

Shelby ordered Crutcher to stop multiple times as Crutcher walked toward the SUV with his hands up, Wood said.

But those orders cannot be heard in the audio from the dashcam video, which starts as another patrol car pulls up to the scene, showing Crutcher walking toward the SUV with his hands up as Shelby follows him, apparently with her weapon drawn and pointing at Crutcher.

Crutcher Allegedly Attempted to Reach Into the SUV

As the video from the helicopter begins, Crutcher was "angling" toward his car while Shelby repeatedly commanded him to stop, Wood said. His hands were still in the air.

"As a police officer, you have to wonder — why would someone ignore commands at gunpoint to get to a certain location?" Wood said.

Crutcher's arms came down, and he turned to face the car, Wood said, and he reached into the driver's side window with his left hand. That's when Shelby fired one shot and a fellow officer, Tyler Turnbough, deployed a Taser, Wood said.

Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

https://gma.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-officer-shares-her-side-story-terence-225515468--abc-news-topstories.html

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 10:32:04 AM »
Not sure if this is accurate.  Very interested to see toxicology results. 

BREAKING: Truth About Terence Crutcher Comes Out… It’s BAD for the Media

Terence Crutcher was shot and killed on Sept. 16 in an officer-involved shooting in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Since then, the media have tried to push a false narrative that Crutcher had his hands up when he was shot — but video evidence, as it often does in these cases, disproved the media’s theory.

There’s also more information that the mainstream media conveniently left out.

Crutcher had a hefty criminal record before he was shot. In fact, he had just been released in May after nine years in prison for drug trafficking, WZ reported.

He also had a history of resisting arrest. Behold the rap sheet:

1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed
2001 Petit larceny — Conviction
2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction
2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction
2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction
Driving with open container — Dismissed
2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.)
2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction
2012 Public intoxication — Conviction
Obstructing an officer — Conviction
2013 DUI — Conviction
Resisting officer — Conviction
Open Container — Conviction
Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction
Speeding — Conviction

But even all of that was not all.

Take a look at the numerous open warrants for Crutcher. These Aug. 30 warrants were active at the time of his death, and as you can see in the graphic below, they included things like DUI, resisting, drug trafficking and public intoxication.


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The media are actively pushing the narrative that Crutcher had his hands up and that the police shot him anyway.

We’ve heard this lie peddled by the media before, in the Michael Brown case, and clearly the obtuse media didn’t learn a thing.

Helicopter video footage of Crutcher’s altercation with police has surfaced. Take a look:


 
Now, you watch that video and listen to the commentary. Did it look to you like Crutcher was following commands? You can hear an officer say that Crutcher was “still walking” and that he wasn’t “following commands.” Another officer said that he “could be on something.”

Take a look at these pictures Bearing Arms grabbed from the video that disprove the media’s false narrative:


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As you can see, Crutcher was not shot with his hands up. He was clearly flouting officer orders, and at the time of his shooting he lowered his right hand toward his waistband.

Oh, and by the way, the media have run with the story that Crutcher was unarmed, but didn’t seem too interested in the PCP that was found in his car and that the Tulsa Police Department officer who shot Crutcher, Betty Shelby, was trained to spot PCP abuse, according to Bearing Arms.

In any of these cases, the legal system should be given time to do its job, but the media have decided to run false narratives that fit their agenda without all the facts and, in some cases, despite the facts.

As you can see above, there’s clearly more to the story.

http://conservativetribune.com/truth-crutcher-bad-for-media/

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 10:32:28 AM »
Great statement her lawyer obviously wrote for her.

"I thought he had a weapon".

All of you, please, go ahead and try that shit.   Walk into your local store and just shoot a motherfccker.  "I thought he had a weapon" when you've been looking at his open empty hands over his head for the last 3 minutes.  Enjoy prison.  If you don't see a gun, you cannot assume a gun. 

Even Trump shit all over her for it.  Republican nominee trump said she choked and the shoot was wrong.  

There's one thing for people to auto-defend cops, but another when you see the video and see she's the only cop with a gun out, only cop shooting.  

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 12:22:54 PM »
"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 01:04:54 PM »
Toxicology exams should be performed on everyone involved in this incident as well as revealing their records. Moreover, did Shelby become a "drug recognition expert" 2 days after receiving some type of training? Did Shelby wear a body cam? Were there any witnesses of Shelby's first contact with Crutcher? Were any weapons found in Crutcher's car? At what altitude was the helicopter that hovered over the scene? Who was in the helicopter? Did Shelby pull out her gun when Crutcher first reached into his pocket? If not why? Is Shelby's department doing the investigation? Many questions and not likely they will all be answered. Also Crutcher was convicted of "Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking)". Did he become publicly intoxicated in prison?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 01:07:10 PM »
Toxicology exams should be performed on everyone involved in this incident as well as revealing their records. Moreover, did Shelby become a "drug recognition expert" 2 days after receiving some type of training? Did Shelby wear a body cam? Were there any witnesses of Shelby's first contact with Crutcher? Were any weapons found in Crutcher's car? At what altitude was the helicopter that hovered over the scene? Who was in the helicopter? Did Shelby pull out her gun when Crutcher first reached into his pocket? If not why? Is Shelby's department doing the investigation? Many questions and not likely they will all be answered. Also Crutcher was convicted of "Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking)". Did he become publicly intoxicated in prison?

Also, why did he repeatedly ignore the officers' commands?  I have no idea if he was under the influence, but something was clearly wrong with him.  Not sure if it was drug related or some kind of mental problem. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 01:08:18 PM »
"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back

it really doesn't.

his actions that day dictate whether he lives or dies... not things he's already paid his debt to society for doing.  

I don't care if it's an 18 year old with 100 arrests, or an 08 year old with zero arrests... IF you are raising a weapon on police, you go down, period.  

Rush can't stop talking about the rap sheet.  But on THAT DAY, there was no gun in his hand.  If anything, look at their shit court system - he's got 20 arrests and he's still free?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 02:13:46 PM »
Tulsa officer charged with manslaughter in shooting of African-American man

A female Tulsa police officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter Thursday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man.

Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charge against Officer Betty Shelby after viewing dashcam video and helicopter video of the Sept. 16 shooting, according to a statement from his office.

The statement said Kunzweiler reviewed 911 calls, witness interviews and other information before making the decision to charge Shelby.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-african-american.html

Interesting tidbit from the article above:

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Shelby did not activate her patrol car's dashboard camera, officials said, so no footage exists of what first happened between the two before other officers arrived.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 02:30:42 PM »
Tulsa officer charged with manslaughter in shooting of African-American man

A female Tulsa police officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter Thursday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man.

Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charge against Officer Betty Shelby after viewing dashcam video and helicopter video of the Sept. 16 shooting, according to a statement from his office.

The statement said Kunzweiler reviewed 911 calls, witness interviews and other information before making the decision to charge Shelby.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-african-american.html

Interesting tidbit from the article above:


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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 02:40:00 PM »
Transcript from the press conference of Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler:


"The tragic circumstances surrounding the death of Mr. Crutcher are on the hearts and minds of many people in this community.

It is important to note, that despite the heightened tensions felt by all, which seemingly beg for an emotional response and reaction, our community has consistently demonstrated a willingness to respect the judicial process.

It is the shared responsibility of all who have the ability to control their reactions to do just that.

To ministers of this community, all of your flock regardless of their color, their creed, their ethnicity, their background, social status, employment or neighborhood need the wisdom of your guiding hands.

To the media, your community need you now more than ever. They need you to be the objective messengers of the facts which report the truth.

To the lawyers, it is our responsibility to demonstrate to our community the importance of adherence to the rule of law and the ethical standards which allow our courtrooms to be the source of justice.

The review of cases involving alleged criminal conduct is the responsibility of the Tulsa County District Attorney’s Office. We review the facts of the allegations and apply the law to those allegations. It is our responsibility to determine if the filing of a criminal charge is justified under the law.

In the matter of the death of Terence Crutcher, I determined that the filing of the felony crime of manslaughter in the first degree against Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby is warranted. Officer Shelby, although now charged, is presumed to be innocent until a judge or a jury determines otherwise.

I do not know why things happen in this world the way they do. We need to pray for wisdom and guidance on each of our respective paths in life. Each of us at the end of our days will have to account for our own actions. The only way I know how to walk my path, is to try every day to pray, and to serve my fellow citizen, so that he or she may be lifted up.

When I started this press conference at 3:30 I directed my staff to file a criminal charge of manslaughter in the first degree. You can go down to the second floor of the court clerk’s office and obtain a copy of that criminal charge, there should be plenty of copies together with the affidavit. In addition to that, I have a press release and I will leave that up here and you can pick up a press release that summarizes much of the statements I’ve just made.

Attached to that press release will be the relevant, applicable law in the state of Oklahoma which defines what manslaughter is and what the Oklahoma uniform jury instructions say that standard is.

I encourage you as members of the media to review that and apply that in your news stories. But as I stated, Officer Crutcher [Shelby] is presumed innocent under the law until a judge or a jury determines otherwise.

Now the question is going to be asked, ‘Where is she?’ I have had a judge review a probable cause affidavit. A warrant has been issued for her arrest. I’ve been in communication with an attorney who has been retained to represent her, and arrangements are being made for her surrender to the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Department. Those matters will be addressed by the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office in their due course.

I’m not going to answer any questions. Thank you for your attendance."

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 06:47:49 PM »
I understand being concerned about him rifling through his pockets she had back with a taser. There was no reason to shoot this guy no matter how bizarre you thought his behavior was. While its difficult to come up with standard procedures I think there needs to be more in way of when deadly force is ok.

I mean you got people who have guns and the cops try to negotiate with them until they point it at someone and then you have this cop who shoots a person b/c she thought he might have a gun.

Taser was the way to go on this one

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 07:00:00 PM »
I understand being concerned about him rifling through his pockets she had back with a taser. There was no reason to shoot this guy no matter how bizarre you thought his behavior was. While its difficult to come up with standard procedures I think there needs to be more in way of when deadly force is ok.

I mean you got people who have guns and the cops try to negotiate with them until they point it at someone and then you have this cop who shoots a person b/c she thought he might have a gun.

Taser was the way to go on this one

especially because there were what, 3 or 4 cops there with weapons on him?

I can see a small female cop opting for the gun, IF she is all alone, and he's aggressive at her (which he wasn't here).

I can see times when a gun stops instantly and a taser just might not (particularly if you miss!)  Having those 15+1 shots sure beats trying to put those pins into someone when you're all alone and this person could kill you with his hands in seconds. 

BUT she had backup.  He wasn't coming at them.  And she lied about the reaching in window and putting hands up parts.  And she turned off her dash cam.

She knew there was a good chance she'd shoot him, then she just decided to do it.  The other 2-3 cops on the scene did not. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2016, 07:05:24 PM »
I think the cop next to her firing the taser startled her.   They fired almost simultaneously. 

She probably didn't mean to shoot him.  Making it 1st degree manslaughter though, that's steep. 


The problem is cops being so fccking shady.  The Charlotte cops told us for 2 days that the video (3 views) clearly showed a gun.  Family got a lawyer and demanded the video, so suddenly the cops came out with "the 3 videos are inconclusive, not sure about the gun now".  Oh, and the cop who fired?  His body cam "malfunctioned".   That's horse shit.   

These cops that lied to the cameras for days - there is zero punishment for them.  tony, you lie to a cop, your ass is getting charged.  But if the cop lies to the cameras, there is no consequence. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 07:22:21 PM »
especially because there were what, 3 or 4 cops there with weapons on him?

I can see a small female cop opting for the gun, IF she is all alone, and he's aggressive at her (which he wasn't here).

I can see times when a gun stops instantly and a taser just might not (particularly if you miss!)  Having those 15+1 shots sure beats trying to put those pins into someone when you're all alone and this person could kill you with his hands in seconds. 

BUT she had backup.  He wasn't coming at them.  And she lied about the reaching in window and putting hands up parts.  And she turned off her dash cam.

She knew there was a good chance she'd shoot him, then she just decided to do it.  The other 2-3 cops on the scene did not. 
You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.

She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 07:27:09 PM »
You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.

She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder

her dash cam wasn't on.  Yet all the others had theirs on.

We see this a lot - every cop on the scene has their cameras on.. EXCEPT the one that pulls the trigger.

No dashcam footage exists from Shelby’s car because she didn’t activate her emergency lights — which in turn switches on the camera — when she came upon the abandoned vehicle in the roadway.

She KNOWS what happens when you don't turn on the lights ;) 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2016, 04:10:36 AM »
Man... sucks for the cop. Sucks for Terence Crutcher. Sucks for all families involved.

Manslaughter may be worse case scenario because she may only end up serving 18 months. I believe protests will begin when she is given a light sentence.
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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2016, 07:05:14 AM »
Man... sucks for the cop. Sucks for Terence Crutcher. Sucks for all families involved.

Manslaughter may be worse case scenario because she may only end up serving 18 months. I believe protests will begin when she is given a light sentence.


people will have moved on by then.  They had to charge her.  Shot an unarmed guy leaning up against the window.  Pretty cut and dry, can't do that.  They'll sentence her in the winter so nobody will bother to show up. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2016, 09:49:36 AM »
You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.

She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder
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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2016, 11:05:27 AM »
You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.

She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder

Definitely not premeditated, but I have to ask, does this seem to happen more to large black men?

I ask because even the guy in the helicopter stated this was a "bad guy"... How could he make that determination from up there?

Is it because he was black and larger than the female who shot him? Seems that sort of wording happens more often to large black men than other people.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2016, 11:35:12 AM »
"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back

it doesnt.....

do you understand how our legal system works?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2016, 11:42:06 AM »
Not arrested, she was allowed to turn herself in. Stayed only for 20 minutes, she's out after posting $50,000 bond.
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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2016, 11:47:26 AM »
it doesnt.....

do you understand how our legal system works?
You are under the impression coach knows how ANYTHING works...

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2016, 11:57:48 AM »
Not arrested, she was allowed to turn herself in. Stayed only for 20 minutes, she's out after posting $50,000 bond.
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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 12:06:56 PM »
You are under the impression coach knows how ANYTHING works...

At this point it might be a good idea for you to just go back and keep making video games for fat sedentary kids so they can sit around all day developing cardiomyopathy.

Typical elitist

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2016, 12:11:22 PM »
At this point it might be a good idea for you to just go back and keep making video games for fat sedentary kids so they can sit around all day developing cardiomyopathy.

Typical elitist


No Coach, I'm not an elitist.

You're just a moron.