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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2016, 12:14:25 PM »
No Coach, I'm not an elitist.

You're just a moron.


How cute. No sooner than I wrote that post i get a "No Caller ID" call from no doubt your buddy, Josh

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2016, 12:18:47 PM »
How cute. No sooner than I wrote that post i get a "No Caller ID" call from no doubt your buddy, Josh

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You're a fucking idiot if you think everyone is someone trying to call you from getbig.

Keep that shit on the G&O and off of the Politics board. No one needs to keep reading your paranoid crap.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2016, 12:43:30 PM »
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You're a fucking idiot if you think everyone is someone trying to call you from getbig.

Keep that shit on the G&O and off of the Politics board. No one needs to keep reading your paranoid crap.

Fuck off. It's usually Josh.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2016, 12:46:06 PM »
Fuck off. It's usually Josh.
How the fuck would you know if you don't answer the phone?

Stick to the G&O.

Politics is a little too mentally draining on you, dude.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2016, 12:52:50 PM »
Fuck off. It's usually Josh.

Has he harassed you before?

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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2016, 01:13:14 PM »
Has he harassed you before?

Frequently. Email death threats, phone calls, social media, etc. it is what it is.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2016, 02:15:57 PM »
How the fuck would you know if you don't answer the phone?

Stick to the G&O.

Politics is a little to mentally draining on you, dude.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2016, 09:20:07 AM »
Attorney: Officer who shot Terence Crutcher had 'auditory exclusion,' didn't hear other officer say he had Taser ready
By Corey Jones and Samantha Vicent
Tulsa World
Updated: 9:24 am, Thu Sep 29, 2016.

Tulsa Police Officer Betty Shelby turned herself in overnight on a first-degree manslaughter charge in the Terence Crutcher killing. She posted $50,000 bond and was released 20 minutes later.

The probable cause affidavit for her arrest states that another officer told Shelby he had a Taser ready to deploy before she shot Crutcher, who was unarmed, on Sept. 16. But her attorney told the Tulsa World on Friday that she never heard that comment, also not realizing other officers had arrived and were standing with her.

Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.

Because of that, Wood said, Shelby didn’t hear other officers arrive with their cars’ sirens activated or approach her. Nor did she hear Officer Tyler Turnbough tell her that he had his Taser ready because she was “totally focused” on Crutcher, he said.

“She doesn’t have any recollection of that at all,” Wood said.

Crutcher, a black man, was fatally shot by Shelby, who is white, on a north Tulsa street moments after he walked slowly to his parked SUV with his hands raised.

Whether he lowered his left hand to reach through the window — prompting the fatal shot — is in dispute, but the 40-year-old was found to be unarmed and had no weapons inside the vehicle.

Shelby, 42, surrendered with a lawyer at the Tulsa Jail at 1:11 a.m. Friday, according to her arrest report. She was booked and then posted bond.
First-degree manslaughter carries a penalty of four years to life in prison.

A Tulsa County guideline on bail amounts for criminal offenses indicates that $50,000 is the recommended sum for first-degree manslaughter. It doubles to $100,000 if the defendant already has a felony conviction. The recommended amount is $25,000 for second-degree manslaughter.
Judges have discretion to adjust bail on a case-by-case basis.

Shelby is the second officer charged in Tulsa County within the last year and a half in connection with the shooting death of an unarmed black man while on duty.

The other, former Tulsa County Reserve Deputy Robert Bates, was charged with second-degree manslaughter in the April 2015 death of Eric Harris. Bail for Bates was set at $25,000.

Bates was convicted in April of this year and is serving a four-year prison sentence, the maximum allowed under state law.
Defense attorney: Gun, not Taser, ‘appropriate’ response

The probable cause affidavit in Shelby’s case notes that the first backup officer to arrive took a position on Shelby’s left and told her that he had his Taser ready to use.

“Shelby reacted unreasonably by escalating the situation from a confrontation with Mr. Crutcher, who was not responding to verbal commands and was walking away from her with his hands held up, becoming emotionally involved to the point that she overreacted,” according to the affidavit.

Wood countered by saying the situation escalated because Crutcher repeatedly failed to comply and kept reaching toward his left front pocket as if he had a gun there. Shelby pulled her handgun instead of her Taser because she felt he might be armed and was exhibiting signs of being on PCP.
“If you think someone has a gun, you don’t get your Taser out,” Wood said, calling Shelby’s response “appropriate.”

The affidavit indicates that Shelby told detectives she was “in fear for her life” and shot Crutcher after he reached through the SUV’s window. It states that police helicopter video footage shows Crutcher’s right hand in the air when he was shot but that his left hand is “unobservable” in the video as he stands next to the driver’s side window.

‘Terence was not a threat’

Attorneys for the Crutcher family have contended that the window was up. But whether it was up or down is irrelevant, they argue, because Shelby knew there wasn’t a weapon in the driver’s seat. They point to the affidavit, which states that she had “cleared” — or checked — the “driver’s side front” before Crutcher first approached her.

“The video … clearly showed that Terence Crutcher did not have a weapon, that Terence was not belligerent, that Terence had his hands up, that Terence was not a threat,” said attorney Damario Solomon-Simmons. “When we saw that video, we knew there was no reason for Terence to be shot down in the street.”
The Crutcher family’s attorneys contend that it’s “readily apparent” that Shelby should have been charged. A reporter asked them on Thursday whether Crutcher bore any of the blame for the escalation of his encounter with Shelby because he didn’t comply with her demands.

“The police encounter people every day who fail to comply with instruction, whether it’s a DUI or a public intoxication or any situation,” attorney Melvin Hall said. “The law does not authorize the use of lethal force merely because someone fails to comply.”

The Tulsa World has requested use-of-force reports from Shelby’s four-plus years with the Tulsa Police Department. The department has denied the request, with a spokesman saying the agency’s general counsel has said those records are released only if there is disciplinary action.
Crutcher case moving swiftly

Wood said he was “a little bit surprised” by how quickly the manslaughter charge was filed, especially since the police investigative report wasn’t yet completed. Prosecutors will find it difficult to “prove what they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt,” he said.

“If you believed the scenario where he wasn’t posing any danger and she had no reason to believe he had a gun or was getting access to a gun, I guess that would be the appropriate charge here,” Wood said.

District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said Friday his charging decision was based on information from the Tulsa Police Department Homicide Unit and an affidavit from an investigator in his office.

Kunzweiler said lead homicide Sgt. Dave Walker made a “big effort” to provide documents daily as they were completed, rather than turn all of them over at the investigation’s conclusion. Police didn’t say Friday whether the probe was finished but previously projected that they would be done by 5 p.m. Friday.
“In extraordinary circumstances, we all work double duty, so to speak, because we understand the dynamics,” Kunzweiler said. “We recognized (the high-profile nature) and realized this was one we needed to get to work on as quickly as we can.”
Police release Shelby’s commendations

The Police Department provided records to the Tulsa World on Friday indicating that Shelby received two commendations while working in the Riverside Division.

Shelby was hired in December 2011 and graduated from the Tulsa Police Academy in June 2012. She patrolled west Tulsa for the Riverside Division before being reassigned in August 2015 to patrol the northernmost parts of Tulsa for the Gilcrease Division.

One commendation states that Shelby and two other officers saved an elderly woman’s life when discovering she was immobile in her home in February 2014. Shelby and the other officers responded to check on the woman’s well-being after the Meals on Wheels organization reported that it was unable to contact her, according to a letter filed by a supervisor.

They found that the woman hadn’t been able to get up for two days, and EMSA medics said she would have died if police hadn’t found her.
The other commendation stemmed from Shelby’s work in helping arrest two men on robbery complaints in January 2015. The Robbery Unit supervisor wrote that Shelby helped identify one of the suspects, for whom an arrest warrant had been issued for a probation violation, as a suspect in a series of robberies in Tulsa and Jenks.

The Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training told the Tulsa World following an Open Records Act request that Shelby is a peace officer in good standing. She doesn’t have any final agency orders of discipline in her file or pending, CLEET reported.
Both sides create benefit funds

Crutcher’s family established a fund on Wednesday to benefit his four children. As of Friday evening, more than 5,700 donations totaling nearly $160,000 had been made to the fund, which has a goal of $200,000.

Patrick Stephens, president of the Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 93, on Friday created an ”I Stand With Betty Shelby” fund for “upcoming expenses.” It had received more than $3,000 from 50 donors as of Friday evening, with a goal of $250,000. Shelby has been a member of the FOP lodge for five years.
Stephens told the World he wanted to give officers “an outlet” to help Shelby, who is now on administrative leave without pay.

“Her family needs help. People were reaching out for ways to support her and help her through those times, and that’s what I did,” he said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/attorney-officer-who-shot-terence-crutcher-had-auditory-exclusion-didn/article_67cfee72-01ce-547c-a2e2-a74ce2414b13.html

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2016, 11:01:23 AM »
Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.


LMAO!  Temporary hearing loss!!

Of course, one of the videos will show her look at or speak to the other officers prior to shooting the bad guy.

THIS is the defense they come up with?  I'm sure jury will believe it... hearing works fine your entire life, but turns off due to "it" as her hubby put it.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2016, 11:56:16 AM »
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Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.

Because of that, Wood said, Shelby didn’t hear other officers arrive with their cars’ sirens activated or approach her. Nor did she hear Officer Tyler Turnbough tell her that he had his Taser ready because she was “totally focused” on Crutcher, he said.

“She doesn’t have any recollection of that at all,” Wood said.


Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2016, 12:00:16 PM »
Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?


I love listening to Levin - he pretty much said this cop screwed up on the week it happened.

it's the CALLERS who tend to be the dumbest people on earth.   "Well, I just think..." trumps any facts Levin shows them.   

I can't wait to hear the callers tonight, agreeing that "oh yeah, that auditory thing, it happened to me once..." to somehow justify a cop capping an unarmed man for standing there.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2016, 12:08:49 PM »
Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?


A little premature to call this a crime IMO. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2016, 12:11:31 PM »
I love listening to Levin - he pretty much said this cop screwed up on the week it happened.

it's the CALLERS who tend to be the dumbest people on earth.   "Well, I just think..." trumps any facts Levin shows them.   

I can't wait to hear the callers tonight, agreeing that "oh yeah, that auditory thing, it happened to me once..." to somehow justify a cop capping an unarmed man for standing there.

I don't know who Levin is but if he is one of those radio personalities, they often employ some caricature of a caller who will purposely say the most ridiculous things to prove the radio host point (or to "create scenarios for interesting radio"), supposedly Limbaugh and others do it.


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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2016, 09:52:38 AM »
Prosecutor Announces First Degree Manslaughter Charges Against Officer Who Killed Terence Crutcher
BY ARLENE HOWARDIN GLOBAL MEDIA — OCT 2, 2016

Crutcher died from a "penetrating gunshot wound of chest", the Oklahoma state medical examiner's office said Friday, classifying his death as a homicide.

A toxicology report could take several weeks.

The swift action in Tulsa stood in contrast to Charlotte, North Carolina, where police refused under mounting pressure Thursday to release video of the shooting of another black man this week and the National Guard was called in to try to a head off a third night of violence.

Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett praised the police department for quickly providing evidence to District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler's office. "These are important steps to ensure that justice and accountability prevails".

"I'm not surprised at the swiftness of the decision", Bolden said.

She faces a minimum of four years in prison. She was booked in the Tulsa County jail at 1:11 a.m. Friday and released 20 minutes later after posting $50,000 bond, according to jail records.

In the aftermath of the shooting, Shelby's response to the situation has been interpreted differently by the officer's attorneys, Crutcher's family, and the public. "Police say another officer used his Taser on Crutcher at almost the same time he was shot".

Multiple police cameras, including ones mounted in squad cars and in a helicopter, captured the Crutcher shooting on tape.

Police say Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot that killed 40 year-old Terence Crutcher, Sept. 16.

Hall also pointed out that the family legal team had blown up a photo of the scene that they say shows the driver's side window is up and has blood on it, which they say disputes Shelby's claim that Crutcher reached into the vehicle before she fired.

An attorney for Mr. Crutcher's family disputes the officer's account, saying the vehicle window was rolled up and that Mr. Crutcher was putting his hands on top of the auto.

"Whether through peaceful demonstrations, prayer vigils or countless statements of support to the Crutcher family and the entire community, we are in this together as one Tulsa", he said. Shelby can be seen walking closely behind Crutcher with her gun drawn. So she draws her gun on him and says "Sir I want you to get down on your knees, get down on your knees". She was on her way to a domestic violence call when she saw Crutcher standing in the street, according to investigators.

The attorneys also expressed gratitude to the Tulsa Police Department.

A warrant was issued for Shelby's arrest, but her attorney told the DA arrangements were being made for her to turn herself in. "Officer Shelby made statements that she was in fear of her life and thought that Mr. Crutcher was going to kill her".

The same footage also showed Crutcher dropped his hands, and leaned forward before the fatal shot was sacked.

Police Sgt. Dave Walker has said investigators found a vial of PCP in Crutcher's vehicle.

Attorneys for Ms. Shelby and Mr. Crutcher's family couldn't immediately be reached. Family members later said his vehicle was having issues and stalled as he was headed home from a local community college. Both officers are white and Crutcher was African American.

http://alltechnews.org/2016/10/02/prosecutor-announces-first-degree-manslaughter-charges/

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2016, 06:48:00 AM »
Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.

Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID

Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man

Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up


And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all

The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on

but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2016, 06:50:16 AM »
Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.

Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID

Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man

Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up


And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all

The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on

but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue

Go vote for Hillary bro - she is going to keep Lynch in there - all the same DOJ people - and you know - all the people CURRENTLY in charge of the same system you complain about.   Great job - seriously. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2016, 06:56:42 AM »
Go vote for Hillary bro - she is going to keep Lynch in there - all the same DOJ people - and you know - all the people CURRENTLY in charge of the same system you complain about.   Great job - seriously. 


no clue what you're babbling on about here. Its not a political issue.. Its a race issue. Hilary or your god Trump can do nothing about the racist/scared shitless police shooting the big bad black guy with no gun.

No president can stop racism. This "system" didn't start with the Obama administration. Lynch or any of that. In actuality the crime stats are down nationally. But im talking about blacks being killed by police without committing a crime or a crime punishable by death.

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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2016, 07:00:15 AM »

no clue what you're babbling on about here. Its not a political issue.. Its a race issue. Hilary or your god Trump can do nothing about the racist/scared shitless police shooting the big bad black guy with no gun.

No president can stop racism. This "system" didn't start with the Obama administration. Lynch or any of that. In actuality the crime stats are down nationally. But im talking about blacks being killed by police without committing a crime or a crime punishable by death.

Of FNG please - its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years for a reason no?  guess why that is?  Take a deep long guess and lets see if you are even remotely close as to why things now 8 years later suck ass w all these liberal pussies and faggets in office. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2016, 07:33:24 AM »
Of FNG please - its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years for a reason no?  guess why that is?  Take a deep long guess and lets see if you are even remotely close as to why things now 8 years later suck ass w all these liberal pussies and faggets in office. 

please show me stats where its "gotten" drastically worse in the last 8 year.... and then ill show you the truth... Please show me national crime stats figures and numbers that say crime has increased....

ill wait

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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2016, 07:36:24 AM »
please show me stats where its "gotten" drastically worse in the last 8 year.... and then ill show you the truth... Please show me national crime stats figures and numbers that say crime has increased....

ill wait

You are the one complaining - not me  - to me - this is no different than ever been and studies show - from the WAPO - whites killed at a higher rate than blacks .

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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2016, 07:37:49 AM »
You are the one complaining - not me  - to me - this is no different than ever been and studies show - from the WAPO - whites killed at a higher rate than blacks .

as i suspected.. Asked for facts to back up a claim... get nothing..
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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2016, 07:41:11 AM »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d




SHOW ME WHERE THIS CLAIM..BY YOU..... IS SUPPORTED "its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years"

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2016, 07:43:18 AM »
SHOW ME WHERE THIS CLAIM..BY YOU..... IS SUPPORTED "its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years"

Going by what i see in the media ect - never seen so much protests outrage etc.  When W was POTUS, when BJ was POTUS, never seen this level of day to day events etc and protests and outrage over this stuff. 

Why now only 6-8 years into the Presidency of O-Twink?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2016, 07:47:29 AM »
Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years