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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2016, 07:52:11 AM »
Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years

if you look at the media - its the apocolypse. 

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2016, 08:30:34 AM »
Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years

It is not.

It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.

It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2016, 08:31:28 AM »
It is not.

It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.

It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.

so again - why the daily meltdowns all about from BLM, and all the other people?


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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2016, 09:17:57 AM »
so again - why the daily meltdowns all about from BLM, and all the other people?



Black people being shot by cops.

That hasn't decreased even though crime has. Incarcerations haven't decreased even though crime has.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2016, 09:24:23 AM »
Sounds like blacks need to move to cyber crimes and limit as much contact with the piggys as possible.

Also wear a belt.
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2016, 09:46:53 AM »
Sounds like blacks need to move to cyber crimes and limit as much contact with the piggys as possible.

Also wear a belt.


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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2016, 10:47:45 AM »
Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.

Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID

Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man

Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up


And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all

The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on

but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue

No there is not.

But there is an epidemic of "brown people" shooting and killing other "brown people." 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2016, 10:50:20 AM »
It is not.

It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.

It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.

Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says
By Mark Berman September 26
 
Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI.

All told, the country reported its highest estimated violent crime rate in three years, and while these numbers are far below those seen one or two decades earlier, they mark a sharp increase following two years of declines, the FBI’s summary of crime figures showed.

. . . .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.a6cad95478fb

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2016, 11:01:41 AM »
Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says
By Mark Berman September 26
 
Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI.

All told, the country reported its highest estimated violent crime rate in three years, and while these numbers are far below those seen one or two decades earlier, they mark a sharp increase following two years of declines, the FBI’s summary of crime figures showed.

. . . .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.a6cad95478fb

Yes, but overall crime is down.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2016, 11:04:29 AM »
Yes, but overall crime is down.

I think people are more concerned about violent crime and that's typically what folks are talking about when they mention the crime rate. 

Unless you live in Hawaii, where violent crime is low, but property crime is off the charts. 

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« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2016, 11:08:43 AM »
I think that may be true, but until we can see a trend, we can't make determinations.

For instance, 2015 may be up, but if 2016 is down again, then the trend is still down.

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« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2016, 11:27:04 AM »
I think that may be true, but until we can see a trend, we can't make determinations.

For instance, 2015 may be up, but if 2016 is down again, then the trend is still down.

True if you're talking about trends. 

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« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2016, 02:18:48 PM »
True if you're talking about trends. 

When we are talking about crime, we usually talk about trends. I do see your point of course.

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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2016, 04:58:03 PM »
When we are talking about crime, we usually talk about trends. I do see your point of course.

You are correct.  I see the initial comment was about trends, not simply an increase. 

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2016, 05:40:34 PM »
Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.

Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID

Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man

Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up


And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all

The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on

but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue
Hey Mal just curious why you mentioned BB guns? I mean the cops don't know theyre fake guns, do you think the cops should have to wait until their shot at before using deadly force?

Also what do you think about the shootings where the police are viewed as justified? Alton Sterling, he had a gun and was resisting/possibly going for his gun?

The kid recently that was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while fleeing?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2016, 07:07:28 PM »

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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2016, 06:16:42 AM »
Hey Mal just curious why you mentioned BB guns? I mean the cops don't know theyre fake guns, do you think the cops should have to wait until their shot at before using deadly force?

Also what do you think about the shootings where the police are viewed as justified? Alton Sterling, he had a gun and was resisting/possibly going for his gun?

The kid recently that was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while fleeing?
About the kid with the BB gun... Tamir Rice... he had a legal bb gun...and he was killed..kind of like case closed. You can call that justified all you like. I call it a kid with a bb gun being killed.

Justified is a subjective term in these cases... Was the cop that killed Castile justified?
Man Sitting on the ground with hands in the air... he was shot in the leg after he alerted the cop of his situation, helping an autistic kid... ... anything about that?

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2016, 06:58:48 AM »
About the kid with the BB gun... Tamir Rice... he had a legal bb gun...and he was killed..kind of like case closed. You can call that justified all you like. I call it a kid with a bb gun being killed.

Justified is a subjective term in these cases... Was the cop that killed Castile justified?
Man Sitting on the ground with hands in the air... he was shot in the leg after he alerted the cop of his situation, helping an autistic kid... ... anything about that?
I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.

I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?

Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2016, 08:24:01 AM »
I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.

I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?

Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias


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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2016, 01:11:35 PM »
I didn't hear about this.  The race-baiting manipulative MSM did not give this the airtime it deserves.

Medical Examiner: Terence Crutcher had PCP in his system at time of death
October 11, 2016, by Dallas Franklin

TULSA, Okla. –  The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office released its autopsy results of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, the unarmed man who was shot an killed by a Tulsa police officer.

On September 16, Crutcher was shot and killed by Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby after his car was stopped in the middle of a roadway.

Officers at the scene say Crutcher was acting erratically and was not following commands.

According to the affidavit, Shelby asked Crutcher if the vehicle was his and if it was disabled.

“He was mumbling to himself and would not answer any of Officer Shelby’s questions. Mr. Crutcher kept putting his hands in his pockets and Officer Shelby kept telling him to show his hands. At that point, Mr. Crutcher began walking towards the abandoned vehicle with his hands held up and was not responding to any of Officer Shelby’s commands to stop,” the affidavit claims.

WARNING: This video is graphic and shows the shooting of a man. It is not suitable for all audiences.

In the dash cam video, you see Crutcher walking away from an officer and toward his vehicle with his hands up.

Shortly after that, Crutcher was shot to death by Officer Shelby.  Crutcher was unarmed, authorities confirmed.

One week after the shooting, Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler charged Shelby with one count of first-degree manslaughter.

Shelby turned herself in the following day.

A preliminary report from the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Crutcher died from a gunshot wound to the chest.

His manner of death was ruled a homicide.

There was some speculation that Crutcher was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death after officers said that PCP was found inside his vehicle.

The full autopsy report was released Tuesday, nearly a month after the deadly shooting.

The autopsy shows Crutcher did in fact have PCP in his system.

According to the toxicology results, Crutcher had 96 nanograms per milliliter of phencyclidine, or PCP, in his bloodstream at the time of his death.

Tenocyclidine, a hallucinogenic drug, was also detected in his system.

However, Crutcher's family attorney said that even if the man did have drugs in his system, lethal force was not necessary.

"Even though it is irrelevant to the use of lethal force, it is worth noting that these findings do not tell us whether or not Terence Crutcher was under the influence of PCP at the time of this encounter. Testing positive to a substance in your system is very different than being under the influence of a substance, though again neither justify the government gunning someone down in the street.

We encourage the public, the media, and law enforcement to resist the temptation to seize upon this all too convenient practice of character assassination in an attempt to divert attention away from meaningful responses to the systematic violence and dehumanization that is far too common in interactions between law enforcement and communities of color.

These findings in no way change the tragic fact that Terence Crutcher should be alive and with his family today," a statement from Ryan Kiesel, executive director of ACLU of Oklahoma, read in part.

Officer Shelby pleaded not guilty to the first-degree manslaughter charge.

She is expected to appear in court for a preliminary hearing on Nov. 29.

http://kfor.com/2016/10/11/medical-examiner-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-his-system-at-time-of-death/

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2016, 08:06:28 PM »
I didn't hear about this.  The race-baiting manipulative MSM did not give this the airtime it deserves.

Medical Examiner: Terence Crutcher had PCP in his system at time of death
October 11, 2016, by Dallas Franklin

TULSA, Okla. –  The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office released its autopsy results of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, the unarmed man who was shot an killed by a Tulsa police officer.

On September 16, Crutcher was shot and killed by Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby after his car was stopped in the middle of a roadway.

Officers at the scene say Crutcher was acting erratically and was not following commands.

According to the affidavit, Shelby asked Crutcher if the vehicle was his and if it was disabled.

“He was mumbling to himself and would not answer any of Officer Shelby’s questions. Mr. Crutcher kept putting his hands in his pockets and Officer Shelby kept telling him to show his hands. At that point, Mr. Crutcher began walking towards the abandoned vehicle with his hands held up and was not responding to any of Officer Shelby’s commands to stop,” the affidavit claims.

WARNING: This video is graphic and shows the shooting of a man. It is not suitable for all audiences.

In the dash cam video, you see Crutcher walking away from an officer and toward his vehicle with his hands up.

Shortly after that, Crutcher was shot to death by Officer Shelby.  Crutcher was unarmed, authorities confirmed.

One week after the shooting, Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler charged Shelby with one count of first-degree manslaughter.

Shelby turned herself in the following day.

A preliminary report from the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Crutcher died from a gunshot wound to the chest.

His manner of death was ruled a homicide.

There was some speculation that Crutcher was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death after officers said that PCP was found inside his vehicle.

The full autopsy report was released Tuesday, nearly a month after the deadly shooting.

The autopsy shows Crutcher did in fact have PCP in his system.

According to the toxicology results, Crutcher had 96 nanograms per milliliter of phencyclidine, or PCP, in his bloodstream at the time of his death.

Tenocyclidine, a hallucinogenic drug, was also detected in his system.

However, Crutcher's family attorney said that even if the man did have drugs in his system, lethal force was not necessary.

"Even though it is irrelevant to the use of lethal force, it is worth noting that these findings do not tell us whether or not Terence Crutcher was under the influence of PCP at the time of this encounter. Testing positive to a substance in your system is very different than being under the influence of a substance, though again neither justify the government gunning someone down in the street.

We encourage the public, the media, and law enforcement to resist the temptation to seize upon this all too convenient practice of character assassination in an attempt to divert attention away from meaningful responses to the systematic violence and dehumanization that is far too common in interactions between law enforcement and communities of color.

These findings in no way change the tragic fact that Terence Crutcher should be alive and with his family today," a statement from Ryan Kiesel, executive director of ACLU of Oklahoma, read in part.

Officer Shelby pleaded not guilty to the first-degree manslaughter charge.

She is expected to appear in court for a preliminary hearing on Nov. 29.

http://kfor.com/2016/10/11/medical-examiner-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-his-system-at-time-of-death/

of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that  via her x ray vision

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« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2016, 09:49:14 AM »
of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that  via her x ray vision

This is the exact same thing you say every time evidence shows that a shooting victim had problems.  And it never makes any dang sense. 

In any event, the officer did say she thought he was on PCP and turns out he was.  She didn't need X-ray vision.  She needed training.  Which she had. 

These two drugs, one that can make a big presumably strong man even stronger and the other a hallucinogen, shows this wasn't some stranded motorist who was gunned down by a racist white cop.  It helps explain why he was walking down the middle of the road not following instructions. 

That said, the fact one officer used a taser and one shot him is a problem, and I want to know why.  But it doesn't surprise me that you folks who push this false narrative and jump all over these incidents before the facts come in then ignore evidence like this. 

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« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2016, 06:37:03 PM »
of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that  via her x ray vision
I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.

I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?

Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias
Care to respond to my post Mal?

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« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2016, 07:13:39 PM »
Care to respond to my post Mal?

About Tamir Rice?

He had a bb gun and he was killed....he was like 12...
12 year olds play with bb guns.

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Re: Terence Crutcher Shooting
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM »
This is the exact same thing you say every time evidence shows that a shooting victim had problems.  And it never makes any dang sense. 

In any event, the officer did say she thought he was on PCP and turns out he was.  She didn't need X-ray vision.  She needed training.  Which she had. 

These two drugs, one that can make a big presumably strong man even stronger and the other a hallucinogen, shows this wasn't some stranded motorist who was gunned down by a racist white cop.  It helps explain why he was walking down the middle of the road not following instructions. 

That said, the fact one officer used a taser and one shot him is a problem, and I want to know why.  But it doesn't surprise me that you folks who push this false narrative and jump all over these incidents before the facts come in then ignore evidence like this. 

Being on PCP isnt a crime punishable by death. Walking down the road with out following instructions isnt a crime punishable by death either.
He didnt attack anyone.
She was deaf for a brief second.. not sure how that fits here but thats the issue...

have you commented on the brother that was shot when he was asked to reach for his wallet. Did you comment on the mental health worker that was shot while sitting on the floor helping an autistic patient?