Man of Steel vs. Wiggs. Which side are you on? (God's vote included)

[SF1900]

I'm on MOS's side and Wiggs' side.

Ultimately, they are both on the same side.

This is exactly it. MOS doesn't realize that he is pretty much just like WIGGS. The only difference is that WIGGS has the guts to speak out. MOS and WIGGS are two sides of the same coin.

[Man of Steel]

This is exactly it. MOS doesn't realize that he is pretty much just like WIGGS. The only difference is that WIGGS has the guts to speak out. MOS and WIGGS are two sides of the same coin.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  None whatsoever.

[Simple Simon]

Point is this fellas.  I know the VAST majority on this board despise me and my "bible thumping" ways.

Since I publically professed my faith I've lost 99% of the people I used to be cool with.  

That said, my motivations for remaining here have nothing to do with personal acceptance LOL.   I'm not accepted, I'm just barely tolerated...this is no mystery.

The fact that I haven't been here for months in and of itself is of no consequence.  Yet the fact that I haven't been and within the first religion post on the G&O the usual suspects suddenly appear out of nowhere with the same cliches and generalities about not caring about God, religious topics, etc...it's so transparent.

See I don't actually post within threads that don't interest me or make comments about topics I don't care about.....I ignore them.   Yet here I am speaking about religion (to a single poster) and the sharks swarm because Shizzo dropped blood in the water.

But of course everything I say is deemed wrong or my perspective is flawed.  Why?  Because my audience lives diametrically opposed to me.  I'm clearly the outcast, but yet "I'm playing the victim card"    LOL!!!     Ok.

to despise you first people have to care, no one cares what you do.
Believe in God or Mickey Mouse, either way you will get your leg pulled.

[Man of Steel]

to despise you first people have to care, no one cares what you do.
Believe in God or Mickey Mouse, either way you will get your leg pulled.

Well I've had people on here tell me that they hate me, that they're going to rape my wife, that they're going to rape my daughter while I watch, they curse me out, they've threatened my life and they generally revile everything I have to say.

But "Be There" it's clear you care nothing about me at all.   And I'm just fine with that.   God bless.

[Simple Simon]

Well I've had people on here tell me that they hate me, that they're going to rape my wife, that they're going to rape my daughter while I watch, they curse me out, they've threatened my life and they generally revile everything I have to say.

But "Be There" it's clear you care nothing about me at all.   And I'm just fine with that.   God bless.

I have had similar,I know its all talk, I dont take it seriously, its what happens here, its a cesspit but its an addictive one.

[Man of Steel]

I have had similar,I know its all talk, I dont take it seriously, its what happens here, its a cesspit but its an addictive one.

See I'm well aware the vast majority don't give a lick about what I preach on here.  

I also understand that those that threaten me are sheep in actuality....I fear none of it.  

Although, there is definite hatred at times.  I can say that because I've dealt with it consistently for 6 years now.

Still, I'm not here to get the 99.9% of folks that don't care about me to care about me.  That pursuit is meaningless and so am I.

I'm here to help the 0.1% of folks that desire to repent and be saved and come to know the risen Lord Jesus Christ.

You personally find that worthless and stupid.  To that I say "ok and God bless".

[SF1900]

MOS making blanket statements to make it seem like every atheist is saying vile things about his wife and child.

Typical theist tactic; try to lump all atheists into one category, as if we are all vile creatures, who are going to do harm to someone.

I, for one, have never said such vile things about MOS's family, nor anyone on this board.

But, of course, MOS leaves out this part. How convenient (not all atheists are saying this stuff to him). 

[OB1]

I'm here to help the 0.1% of folks that desire to repent and be saved and come to know the risen Lord Jesus Christ.

Maybe you are the 0,1% of folks that should be cured from that god-jesus-believe-fetish.

[Simple Simon]

See I'm well aware the vast majority don't give a lick about what I preach on here.  

I also understand that those that threaten me are sheep in actuality....I fear none of it.  

Although, there is definite hatred at times.  I can say that because I've dealt with it consistently for 6 years now.

Still, I'm not here to get the 99.9% of folks that don't care about me to care about me.  That pursuit is meaningless and so am I.

I'm here to help the 0.1% of folks that desire to repent and be saved and come to know the risen Lord Jesus Christ.

You personally find that worthless and stupid.  To that I say "ok and God bless".

I really hope you are trolling....

[Las Vegas]

Is conscience wholly subjective?

 

That's what I want to know.

[TuHolmes]

Point is this fellas.  I know the VAST majority on this board despise me and my "bible thumping" ways.

Since I publically professed my faith I've lost 99% of the people I used to be cool with.  

That said, my motivations for remaining here have nothing to do with personal acceptance LOL.   I'm not accepted, I'm just barely tolerated...this is no mystery.

The fact that I haven't been here for months in and of itself is of no consequence.  Yet the fact that I haven't been and within the first religion post on the G&O the usual suspects suddenly appear out of nowhere with the same cliches and generalities about not caring about God, religious topics, etc...it's so transparent.

See I don't actually post within threads that don't interest me or make comments about topics I don't care about.....I ignore them.   Yet here I am speaking about religion (to a single poster) and the sharks swarm because Shizzo dropped blood in the water.

But of course everything I say is deemed wrong or my perspective is flawed.  Why?  Because my audience lives diametrically opposed to me.  I'm clearly the outcast, but yet "I'm playing the victim card"    LOL!!!     Ok.

Come on man... despise? Dude, I'm not really religious, but you seem like a good, decent person, with or without any "God".

I can't believe people "despise" and actually "hate" someone because they have their faith.

That seems a stretch man.

MOS making blanket statements to make it seem like every atheist is saying vile things about his wife and child.

Typical theist tactic; try to lump all atheists into one category, as if we are all vile creatures, who are going to do harm to someone.

I, for one, have never said such vile things about MOS's family, nor anyone on this board.

But, of course, MOS leaves out this part. How convenient (not all atheists are saying this stuff to him). 

Nor have I. I have nothing bad to say about people who are decent and good people. That's crazy talk.

I wouldn't want to talk religion with MoS, but I'd be happy to just talk about anything else.

[tommywishbone]

Wiggs.

[Man of Steel]

MOS making blanket statements to make it seem like every atheist is saying vile things about his wife and child.

Typical theist tactic; try to lump all atheists into one category, as if we are all vile creatures, who are going to do harm to someone.

I, for one, have never said such vile things about MOS's family, nor anyone on this board.

But, of course, MOS leaves out this part. How convenient (not all atheists are saying this stuff to him).  

Folks please notice that I said "people".  I didn't call out atheists or any group specifically.   SF forced the term "every atheist" into his reply and attributed it to me in order to make his argument.  It's transparent, fallacious and dishonest.

SF also repeatedly uses the term "typical theist" in his arguments and I counter and defeat it every single time without fail.

[Man of Steel]

Come on man... despise? Dude, I'm not really religious, but you seem like a good, decent person, with or without any "God".

I can't believe people "despise" and actually "hate" someone because they have their faith.

That seems a stretch man.
Nor have I. I have nothing bad to say about people who are decent and good people. That's crazy talk.

I wouldn't want to talk religion with MoS, but I'd be happy to just talk about anything else.

Well, I didn't state that everyone felt that way.  I said the vast majority.  That leaves a small population of of folks that disagree with me yet don't show contempt.  

You would fall into the group that respectfully disagrees.

Don't allow SF to misdirect my words or outright change them into something different because it creates a greater impact in his reply.

The inflammatory comments are his and his alone.   I consistently have to do this sort of cleanup, but I'm prepared for it today so it's easier.

[Man of Steel]

I really hope you are trolling....

Why?

[RatedXXX]

Well, I didn't state that everyone felt that way.  I said the vast majority.  That leaves a small population of of folks that disagree with me yet don't show contempt.  

You would fall into the group that respectfully disagrees.

Don't allow SF to misdirect my words or outright change them into something different because it creates a greater impact in his reply.

The inflammatory comments are his and his alone.   I consistently have to do this sort of cleanup, but I'm prepared for it today so it's easier.

The fact is if you were the real deal you would be at the very least writing a letter to Groink. You could also work in the soup kitchen on the weekend or help distribute clothing donations to the poor. From what I can tell, you do nothing but talk up a storm. Talking isn't doing.

[SF1900]

Come on man... despise? Dude, I'm not really religious, but you seem like a good, decent person, with or without any "God".

I can't believe people "despise" and actually "hate" someone because they have their faith.

That seems a stretch man.
Nor have I. I have nothing bad to say about people who are decent and good people. That's crazy talk.

I wouldn't want to talk religion with MoS, but I'd be happy to just talk about anything else.

MOS loves changing the goal posts haha lol. He makes a blanket statement that atheists attack him on this board, but he NEVER said that its NOT ALL atheists. He conveniently left that part out.   Then he thinks he shoots me down when I say "typical theist." lol. His GENERALIZED comment is clear evidence that he is generalizing to all atheists on this board. And, we all know, he meant atheists, and was not referring to others. 

Again, him and WIGGS are two sides of the same coin. Wiggs just speaks open and honestly.

[Man of Steel]

The fact is if you were the real deal you would be at the very least writing a letter to Groink. You could also work in the soup kitchen on the weekend or help distribute clothing donations to the poor. From what I can tell, you do nothing but talk up a storm. Talking isn't doing.

You don't know a thing about me outside of this board.  You can literally say anything you want about what I do or don't do. 

My audience is God alone.  So you believe I'm all talk.  And?

And again, why do you continue to reference Groink? 

[Man of Steel]

MOS loves changing the goal posts haha lol. He makes a blanket statement that atheists attack him on this board, but he NEVER said that its NOT ALL atheists. He conveniently left that part out.   Then he thinks he shoots me down when I say "typical theist." lol. His GENERALIZED comment is clear evidence that he is generalizing to all atheists on this board. And, we all know, he meant atheists, and was not referring to others.  

Again, him and WIGGS are two sides of the same coin. Wiggs just speaks open and honestly.

You change/move the goalposts when you alter your words or position.  Mine are unchanged.....sorry, but the truth is a wonderful place to exist.  Give it a try.  

Atheists/agnostics have attacked me for years....no mystery here.   Omission or exclusion of a statement or intention does not equate to being complicit.   You forcefit that subjectivity upon the argument because you can't argue against the truth....so you pervert it to your own end.   You're transparent and easily handled.

[OB1]

You change/move the goalposts when you alter your words or position.  Mine are unchanged.....sorry, but the truth is a wonderful place to exist.  Give it a try.  

Atheists/agnostics have attacked me for years....no mystery here.   Omission or exclusion of a statement or intention does not equate to being complicit.   You forcefit that subjectivity upon the argument because you can't argue against the truth....so you pervert it to your own end.   You're transparent and easily handled.

What truth?

[Man of Steel]

What truth?

My position...grounded in Christ...absolute truth.

[Simple Simon]

My position...grounded in Christ...absolute truth.

did it ever occur to you at any point no matter how insignificant you might just be wrong about the existence of a God?

[Man of Steel]

did it ever occur to you at any point no matter how insignificant you might just be wrong about the existence of a God?

It used to.  I no longer have any doubt.

[OB1]

My position...grounded in Christ...absolute truth.

It is just your personal truth.
Not the one and only (right way)...
which doesn't exist anyway.

Regarding your absence...
I have been absent also.
When I came back you weren't there.
But appeared soon after.
You could say I missed you a little.

[Simple Simon]

It used to.  I no longer have any doubt.

so you are prone to changing your mind about things, thats good to know.

You might snap out of it soon.