Classic Physique - A New World for Bodybuilders

[njflex]

sadik looks great there..he was so-so onstage we will see if he can get bigger and look same onstage,,in ads he will sell pics/supps..

[stuntmovie]

2016 NPC Nationals Overall Champions .... (A MAJOR NPC CONTEST, SO I'M ADDING IT HERE)

Men's Bodybuilding ..... Shaun Vasquez (photo attached)
Women’s Physique ….Vanessa Naesheim (photo attached)
Women’s Bodybuilding  ….. Chareece Johnson
Men’s Classiic Physique ….. Godfrey  Soronda
Figure ….. Tiffani Hebert
Bikini .... Elizabeth Lanham

The number's game ... It appears that there were roughly 185  Men's Physique contenders and about 112 Classic Physique contenders, 233 female bodybuilders and many more in each of the other ladies divisions.

If time allows ... I'll do my best to attach some contest photos that I manage to download from the net .

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OK, But if we add Robert TIMMS (photo below) along with Calum Von Moger  and Chris Bumstead  (photo above - Thanks, REPS) .... I think we'd have the three top upcoming contenders within this new Classic division.

Feel free to add others if you feel that they would be major contenders within this group.

I saw Timms pose and he is top notch.

I will be entering the classic mens dec 10th in Los Angeles. I am 2 weeks out! I feel ready to go. 

[Simple Simon]

I saw Timms pose and he is top notch.

I will be entering the classic mens dec 10th in Los Angeles. I am 2 weeks out! I feel ready to go. 

pics?

[stuntmovie]

TRES!, Good luck in your forthcoming contest.That's usually a tough contest all around.

Keep us advised when you have the time to do so and how the event was run and managed .... all the good stuff and all the bad.

Jon always runs a good show so expect to have a good time and realize that the 'hurry up and wait' factor is not unusual in contests with a lot of entrants.

You may not be aware how small the back stage area of the War Memorial in Culver City is so be advised that the warm up area is pretty damn small and it may be worth your while to bring some pump-up gear of your own  as a necessary precaution.

And be aware of the strict adherence to the ht/wt restrictions. Weigh in early if you find that you have to drop a bit of wt.

[stuntmovie]

If you do fail to meet  the nt/wt requirements for CLASSIC Physique .... you may be able to switch over to plain old Physique .....

But be aware of 'uniform' change.

Here are the Men's Physique events .....
Unlimited with 6 ht classes
Masters 35+ with 2 ht classes
Teen with one ht class
Masters 40+ with 1 ht class
Novice with 3 ht classes

Who said bodybuilding is dead!?

[mazrim]

OK, But if we add Robert TIMMS (photo below) along with Calum Von Moger  and Chris Bumstead  (photo above - Thanks, REPS) .... I think we'd have the three top upcoming contenders within this new Classic division.

Feel free to add others if you feel that they would be major contenders within this group.

Timms was already in Olympia and did not do too well. Legs completely nonexistent. Going to have to make improvements. Looked quite a bit different on stage then in pictures. Unless he just had a bad showing.

[tres_taco_combo]

TRES!, Good luck in your forthcoming contest.That's usually a tough contest all around.

Keep us advised when you have the time to do so and how the event was run and managed .... all the good stuff and all the bad.

Jon always runs a good show so expect to have a good time and realize that the 'hurry up and wait' factor is not unusual in contests with a lot of entrants.

You may not be aware how small the back stage area of the War Memorial in Culver City is so be advised that the warm up area is pretty damn small and it may be worth your while to bring some pump-up gear of your own  as a necessary precaution.

And be aware of the strict adherence to the ht/wt restrictions. Weigh in early if you find that you have to drop a bit of wt.

thank you for the heads up about the back stage stuff. I took 3rd 2x in AZ this year (Miles puts on awesome shows with tons of weights food)

yes man. the dudes at this event will bring the heat for sure.

I have some room with the scale I am fine. I am 6'2'' maybe 6'3' on a good day and I am under 225lbs

my lines, conditioning great posing gives me great confidence in myself. goal is nationals!

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pics?

I will get a few up soon.

Im 6'3'' around 215lbs stage weight

[stuntmovie]

MAZRIM, I don't think we've seen the last of TIMMS just yet. As I mentioned before .... I'll bet ya a dollar to a do-nut that TIMMS will be  on the Olympia Expo stage competing against the likes of Bumstead and Von Moger this coming year or the next.

And he just might beat the both of them.

It would be good tho hear from WIGGS about this possible eventuality.

[Simple Simon]

I will get a few up soon.

Im 6'3'' around 215lbs stage weight

make sure theres one of you with an upside down cup.

[stuntmovie]

TREs, OK and thanks and good luck to ya.

I mentioned under another topic that the IFBB would most likely wish to maintain the vast numbers of new IFBB Pros each year as a good source of income, but many new IFBB Pros may not find it to their advantage to retain their IFBB Pro status unless some form of a 'CARROT' is offered that would encourage them to renew their $300.00 Pro Card each year.

That 'carrot' may possibly be new series of sanctioned IFBB Pro contests that would offer weight class divisions making it possible for  these new Pros to compete against pros of similar size and possibly win cash awards which would seemingly be impossible with the way things are set up today ....  other than the present day 212 division of course.

Lots of room for argument here .... but it's the only way that I can foresee the retention of the majority of these new pros within the IFBB.


 

[tres_taco_combo]

MAZRIM, I don't think we've seen the last of TIMMS just yet. As I mentioned before .... I'll bet ya a dollar to a do-nut that TIMMS will be  on the Olympia Expo stage competing against the likes of Bumstead and Von Moger this coming year or the next.

And he just might beat the both of them.

It would be good tho hear from WIGGS about this possible eventuality.

I just like Timms athletic look the best - plus he is an Phoenix, AZ guy like myself

[stuntmovie]

TRES, Yea ...  Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like  way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.

Which brings up another subject  which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.

There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.

Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.

Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful  ....and anything less than 1st  would be  a detriment to his world wide standing.

There are probably many more individuals  within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger and  Chris Bumstead (time will tell) ... both of whom have large numbers of world wide followers and decent fitness related incomes, but may decide not to compete within the IFBB and risk a lower than expected placing.

It will be interesting to see where these new NPC/IFBB events (physique and classic) will take the best of them.

Some will fail to take advantage NPC/IFBB comps  or simply feel that they don't need it to be successful within the game.

But looking back ....... there are many competitors who would be next to nothing today if it wasn't for a guy named Joe Weider.

He ain't here no more ... but the IFBB still is. And it's alive and kicking!

[Simple Simon]

TRES, Yea ...  Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like  way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.

Which brings up another subject  which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.

There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.

Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.

Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful  ....and anything less than 1st  would be  a detriment to his world wide standing.

There are probably many more individuals  within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger and  Chris Bumstead (time will tell) ... both of whom have large numbers of world wide followers and decent fitness related incomes, but may decide not to compete within the IFBB and risk a lower than expected placing.

It will be interesting to see where these new NPC/IFBB events (physique and classic) will take the best of them.

Some will fail to take advantage NPC/IFBB comps  or simply feel that they don't need it to be successful within the game.

But looking back ....... there are many competitors who would be next to nothing today if it wasn't for a guy named Joe Weider.

He ain't here no more ... but the IFBB still is. And it's alive and kicking!

Apart from Arnold no one has made a transition from bodybuilding to the real world.

Joe Weider just created himself a huge pool of eager cock to satisfy his schmoism..

[stuntmovie]

BETHERE, Yep! If it wasn't for Weider Arnold would have never made that 'transition'.

And there are many others who are making a legit $100,000 plus a year due to Joe  ..... And those are just the individuals who have signed supplement contracts but ....  many, if not all,  of the millionaire supplement company owners also owe a lot of gratitude to 'Uncle Joe' as well.

So you can hate .... but you can't discredit Joe for placing 'muscledonm' and everything related to 'muscledom' within the eyes of the sometimes 'unworthy'  public.

[Simple Simon]

BETHERE, Yep! If it wasn't for Weider Arnold would have never made that 'transition'.

And there are many others who are making a legit $100,000 plus a year due to Joe  ..... And those are just the individuals who have signed supplement contracts but ....  many, if not all,  of the millionaire supplement company owners also owe a lot of gratitude to 'Uncle Joe' as well.

So you can hate .... but you can't discredit Joe for placing 'muscledonm' and everything related to 'muscledom' within the eyes of the sometimes 'unworthy'  public.

Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture.

Most people if you ask them what Mr Universe is they will tell you, now ask them what Mr Olympia is, most regular people dont have a clue.
And you say Weider has made it more mainstream?

[stuntmovie]

BETHERE,

I agree with ya that Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture, but before Uncle Joe came on the scene it was relatively "weirder" and almost non-existent.

But slowly and gradually he made it what it is today through his various magazines with just a couple of lies thrown in to the mix   .... some of which were a bit questionable even by today's standards.

But he persisted where others failed or feared  to tread ... enabling us present day fans and haters  to question his reasons "why "... while others such as Dan Lauri, the Hoffman camp, and Perry and Mabel, etc. have drifted far from recollection.

(Our is not to reason why! Ours is but to lift and die!)

And I may be too damn dumb to argue this point but I am smart enough to disagree with ya concerning your belief that the Mr Universe is more well known than the Mr Olympia.

In my own mind ... that may be true but you may be wrong ....unless you reside on the other side of the planet from the good old USA.

But then again I may be dumber than I think I is so  ... maybe this GetBig jury will decide.

Weider may not have made bodybuilding 'mainstream' .... but he did, in fact, make it what it is today!

Be that good or be that bad.... it's all within the mind of the beholder.

Aways good conversing with ya, BETHERE. THANKS!

[Simple Simon]

BETHERE,

I agree with ya that Bodybuilding always has and always will be a weird subculture, but before Uncle Joe came on the scene it was relatively "weirder" and almost non-existent.

But slowly and gradually he made it what it is today through his various magazines with just a couple of lies thrown in to the mix   .... some of which were a bit questionable even by today's standards.

But he persisted where others failed or feared  to tread ... enabling us present day fans and haters  to question his reasons "why "... while others such as Dan Lauri, the Hoffman camp, and Perry and Mabel, etc. have drifted far from recollection.

(Our is not to reason why! Ours is but to lift and die!)

And I may be too damn dumb to argue this point but I am smart enough to disagree with ya concerning your belief that the Mr Universe is more well known than the Mr Olympia.

In my own mind ... that may be true but you may be wrong ....unless you reside on the other side of the planet from the good old USA.

But then again I may be dumber than I think I is so  ... maybe this GetBig jury will decide.

Weider may not have made bodybuilding 'mainstream' .... but he did, in fact, make it what it is today!

Be that good or be that bad.... it's all within the mind of the beholder.

Aways good conversing with ya, BETHERE. THANKS!

Do you mean an endless line of bubble gutted monstrosities?

[stuntmovie]

Well in that case .... others were involved in that outcome. You can't blame the few for what turns out to be the many.

But it is hard to argue with you because way too many of today's pros  could be referred to as 'bubble gutted monstrosities' but I more often used the  much more politer term' ..... "Bulky Blunder"s with a bit of a respectful undertone because I know the shit that they had to go through to deserve it.

I hold no animosity towards those who do what they gotta do to be whom they wanna be.

But I don't wanna be a bubble gutted monstrosity nor a bulky blunder when there have been so many other options on that Olympia stage.

By the way... your feelings about some of  today's Olympia contenders is the exact reason why there are physique and classic events promoted today!

[Simple Simon]

Well in that case .... others were involved in that outcome. You can't blame the few for what turns out to be the many.

But it is hard to argue with you because way too many of today's pros  could be referred to as 'bubble gutted monstrosities' but I more often used the  much more politer term' ..... "Bulky Blunder"s with a bit of a respectful undertone because I know the shit that they had to go through to deserve it.

I hold no animosity towards thous who do what they gotta do to be whom they wanna be.

But I don't wanna be a bubble gutted monstrosity nor a bulky blunder when there have been so many other options on that Olympia stage.

By the way... your feelings about some of  today's Olympia contenders is the exact reason why there are physique and classic events promoted today!

Im pretty sure the judges will fuck that up by rewarding the bigger guys in those categories and as such lead us eventually back to the bubble bloaters.

[stuntmovie]

BETHERE, That is a distinct possibility but as long as they retain 'true' bodybuilding contests within the IFBB ... there will be a clear distinction between the 'true' bodybuilders (bulky blunders/bubble gutted monstrosities/and those who are more aesthetically pleasing) and those who choose to compete within the Physique or the Classic Physique events.

But if 'true' bodybuilding was to suddenly 'disappear' ... there may be a distinct possibliity that Physique and Classic winners may also become what we have up to now so politely called .... bulky blunders or bubble gutted monstrosities.

Some smart guy once said, "The more things change, the more they remain the same!"

And that sure as hell weren't Joe Weider.

[tres_taco_combo]

TRES, Yea ...  Timms and some of these other top physique contenders are like what most serious bodybuilders strived to look like  way back before the popularity of 'mass muscledom' when roids were used .... but less frequently and on a smaller scale.

Which brings up another subject  which some Getbiggers who follow physique and class competitions may have more knowledge of.

There seem to be a hell of a lot of social media individuals and expo booth participants who could dominate within any physique or classic event .... but fail to compete within the NPC/IFBB for a good number of reasons.

Take for instance Sergi Constance who appears to be unbeatable but only got a disappointing third or fourth place win within the NPC a few months back ... or so I have been told.

Some say that he is already at the top of his 'came' and doesn't need an NPC/IFBB first place victory to remain successful  ....and anything less than 1st  would be  a detriment to his world wide standing.

There are probably many more individuals  within a similar scenario such as (maybe ) Calum Von Moger

1. sergi is better off not competing. it looks bad if he doesnt win everything.
2. I know of a few guys similar to that - great bodies, always look 2 weeks out but will never compete since if they do not win... it kills their "image"
3. Calum did work on the field on saturday

it appears the best classic bbers are guys who have dropped for 10-20 lbs for classic vs go the bbing route


the bodybuilding sub culture is a bizarre world.  I think the classic and men's physique actually is good for the sport since many guys have legit careers and lives outside of the gym while the super heavy weight bber type guy is usually broke, living in a dump and eating out of rubber maid boxes 6x a week.

[stuntmovie]

TRES, Once again I gotta agree with most of what you said.

But I do know a good number of the 'athletes' who are often discussed on this GetBig Board and the majority of them are no where near broke nor destitute.

And I do agree that Sergi is better off by not competing within the IFBB simply because he doesn't need the IFBB to enhance his present worldwide reputation.

I'm not sure about Sergi's income but I do believe that he and Jaco are partners in an athlete clothing company of their own plus some involvement in a supplement company which I hear has been successful.

Ditto for Calum Von Moger who also has a huge internet following. He also has the type of personality and looks that would be worth pursuing a motion picture career.

And as I said earlier ... He might be competing against Canada's new IFBB pro .... Chris Bumstead ... on the Oly Expo stage real soon....  if not sooner.

And I am also not too surprised to see present day bodybuilders dropping weight and entering Classic or even possibly Physique once the prize money starts advancing.

I think we both agree on all this stuff so let's find something that you may want to argue over ......

Here's a start .... There are so damn many IFBB Pros now-a-days in all division who may not remain with the IFBB if the IFBB doesn't offer a 'carrot' each year to keep them in the fold and pay their early dues to remain there.

I think that that 'carrot' will be pro shows that will cater somehow to the smaller pros in the lighter wt classes who can't get as "big' as Flex Lewis or simply don't want to look like Jay Cutler, or Ronnie, or Phil, etc.

Is, or is not, the IFBB possibly  considering something like this?

If not .... should they be?

[tres_taco_combo]

after competing against Calum and being in his class, he is a good dude. 

Classic is basically becoming a small man's bodybuilder event