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Re: Post Office Workers ripping up Donald Trump Ballots!
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 11:42:21 AM »
And disgusting communist liberal democrat tampons say there is no voter fraud

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 05:36:56 PM »
it was a troll, and Drudge, Limbaugh and the rest fell for it.

And, no there is no significant voter fraud, unless you want to count things like Ann Coulter voting in a county where she no longer lives.


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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2016, 05:46:17 PM »
it was a troll, and Drudge, Limbaugh and the rest fell for it.

And, no there is no significant voter fraud, unless you want to count things like Ann Coulter voting in a county where she no longer lives.



Just like many of the posts on this on this political board.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 01:53:20 AM »


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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2016, 02:37:49 AM »
it was a troll, and Drudge, Limbaugh and the rest fell for it.

And, no there is no significant voter fraud, unless you want to count things like Ann Coulter voting in a county where she no longer lives.



After all the shit we see our politicians get away with, you want to continue to give people the benefit of the doubt?

I'm sure the firebombing of the GOP office in NC was a troll job too?
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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2016, 11:06:19 AM »
After all the shit we see our politicians get away with, you want to continue to give people the benefit of the doubt?

I'm sure the firebombing of the GOP office in NC was a troll job too?

Don't know about ballots elsewhere, but in Oregon there is no way to know if the voter is a republican or a democrat, much less how they voted without opening the outer envelope and  inner secrecy envelope. Pretty sure a postal worker would get caught if they did that.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2016, 11:40:19 AM »
After all the shit we see our politicians get away with, you want to continue to give people the benefit of the doubt?

I'm sure the firebombing of the GOP office in NC was a troll job too?

In this instance, it doesn't make sense... Unless people are opening people's mail. I really don't think that's the case.

Hell, forget the voter fraud part (for a second), we're talking about tampering with the mail, which is of course a federal offense. Any postal worker would know this and would never openly admit to that.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2016, 12:24:41 PM »
it was a troll, and Drudge, Limbaugh and the rest fell for it.

And, no there is no significant voter fraud, unless you want to count things like Ann Coulter voting in a county where she no longer lives.


You need to watch the news more and take your head out of your liberal boyfriend's ass.  Voter fraud is being identified as rampant if you actually watch real news. Did Anne Coulter vote more than once or did she just vote in the wrong place?

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2016, 01:06:32 PM »
You need to watch the news more and take your head out of your liberal boyfriend's ass.  Voter fraud is being identified as rampant if you actually watch real news. Did Anne Coulter vote more than once or did she just vote in the wrong place?

Who is identifying voter fraud as rampant?  Do you consider internet blogs as "real news"?


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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2016, 03:09:06 PM »
Who is identifying voter fraud as rampant?  Do you consider internet blogs as "real news"?


Do you consider CNN as "real news"?

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2016, 03:22:31 PM »
Do you consider CNN as "real news"?

I don't really follow CNN much any more. IMO they're not as good as they once were but I do consider them a real news source.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2016, 03:32:24 PM »
it was a troll, and Drudge, Limbaugh and the rest fell for it.

And, no there is no significant voter fraud, unless you want to count things like Ann Coulter voting in a county where she no longer lives.








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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 04:42:52 PM »
I don't really follow CNN much any more. IMO they're not as good as they once were but I do consider them a real news source.

If you did follow cnn, you would know they have an extreme liberal bias; and even with the that bias, they are having a hard time denying voter fraud. Instead of denying it, they are now just arguing that it may be happening, but it could be benefiting republicans too. 

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2016, 05:13:37 PM »
If you did follow cnn, you would know they have an extreme liberal bias; and even with the that bias, they are having a hard time denying voter fraud. Instead of denying it, they are now just arguing that it may be happening, but it could be benefiting republicans too. 

Most major news outlets are liberal leaning...that's only a problem when giving opinion as opposed to reporting the news. The reason I don't watch CNN is because over the years they have let their opinions into their news casts IMO.

I have yet to see where they or any other reputable news organization has any evidence of voter fraud.

Voting is controlled state by state, of which 31 are Republican...of the swing states, I believe 8 of the 11 are Republican.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2016, 07:26:28 PM »
Most major news outlets are liberal leaning...that's only a problem when giving opinion as opposed to reporting the news. The reason I don't watch CNN is because over the years they have let their opinions into their news casts IMO.

I have yet to see where they or any other reputable news organization has any evidence of voter fraud.

Voting is controlled state by state, of which 31 are Republican...of the swing states, I believe 8 of the 11 are Republican.

I think you missed my point.   Liberal cnn, a station that has denied voter fraud until the bitter end, is now conceding it happens.  They are just suggesting that it doesn't necessarily benefit the Democrats.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 07:39:41 PM »
I think you missed my point.   Liberal cnn, a station that has denied voter fraud until the bitter end, is now conceding it happens.  They are just suggesting that it doesn't necessarily benefit the Democrats.

Well if they or any other reputable media outlet has said it happens, I'm sure you can provide a link to the story.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 07:49:19 PM »
Now the one place there has been improper activity regarding voter fraud is fake registration.  In some places, people get paid to stand in front of stores etc and ask people to register to vote.  Most of these people get paid by the hour, but some were getting paid based on the number of people they sign up.  So they have an incentive to just make up registrations.  

Yes, that's illegal.  But it has no impact on elections.  No one is casting ballots using those fake registrations, fake addresses, fake signatures.

Regarding dead people, yeah people die before an election, and it takes a while for their names to be removed from the rolls.  But so what?  They're not casting ballots.  Sure it is possible for someone to request an absentee ballot, and then die before they fill it out.  It is possible for someone else in the household to fill it out and mail it in.  Yes, that would be voter fraud.  So there may be a few dozen fraudulent ballots in an election of 100 million votes. Let's spend millions of dollars to prevent that!

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2016, 07:52:44 PM »
Now the one place there has been improper activity regarding voter fraud is fake registration.  In some places, people get paid to stand in front of stores etc and ask people to register to vote.  Most of these people get paid by the hour, but some were getting paid based on the number of people they sign up.  So they have an incentive to just make up registrations. 

Yes, that's illegal.  But it has no impact on elections.  No one is casting ballots using those fake registrations, fake addresses, fake signatures.

Voter Fraud Is Real. Here’s The Proof
Data suggests millions of voter registrations are fraudulent or invalid. That’s enough to tip an election, easily.
John Gibbs By John Gibbs
OCTOBER 13, 2016

This week, liberals have been repeating their frequent claim that voter fraud doesn’t exist. A recent Salon article argues that “voter fraud just isn’t a problem in Pennsylvania,” despite evidence to the contrary. Another article argues that voter fraud is entirely in the imagination of those who use voter ID laws to deny minorities the right to vote.

Yet as the election approaches, more and more cases of voter fraud are beginning to surface. In Colorado, multiple instances were found of dead people attempting to vote. Stunningly, “a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.” In Virginia, it was found that nearly 20 voter applications were turned in under the names of dead people.

In Texas, authorities are investigating criminals who are using the technique of “vote harvesting” to illegally procure votes for their candidates. “Harvesting” is the practice of illegally obtaining the signatures of valid voters in order to vote in their name without their consent for the candidate(s) the criminal supports.

These are just some instances of voter fraud we know about. It would be silly to assume cases that have been discovered are the only cases of fraud. Indeed according to a Pew Charitable Trust report from February 2012, one in eight voter registrations are “significantly inaccurate or no longer valid.” Since there are 146 million Americans registered to vote, this translates to a stunning 18 million invalid voter registrations on the books. Further, “More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters, and approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.” Numbers of this scale obviously provide ripe opportunity for fraud.

Don’t Let Data Contradict My Narrative
Yet in spite of all this, a report by the Brennan Center at New York Univeristy claims voter fraud is a myth. It argues that North Carolina, which passed comprehensive measures to prevent voter fraud, “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in-person voter fraud in North Carolina.” However, this faulty reasoning does not point to the lack of in-person voter fraud, but rather to lack of enforcement mechanisms to identify and prosecute in-person voter fraud.

The science of criminal justice tells us that many crimes go unreported, and the more “victimless” the crime, the more this happens. The fact is, a person attempting to commit voter fraud is very unlikely to be caught, which increases the incentive to commit the crime.

The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is a sophisticated, comprehensive effort to catalog “the number and types of crimes not reported to law enforcement authorities.” However, it tends to deal mostly in violent crimes. As complex as the NCVS is, gathering accurate data for unreported victimless crimes such as voter fraud is even harder, since 1) outside of the criminal, no one may know a crime has taken place, and 2) there is no direct victim to report the crime in the first place. Yet we are expected to believe that, unlike violent crime, voter fraud is limited only to the cases that are actually reported and prosecuted? This is a senseless position.

Further, the Brennan Center report argues that because prosecutor Kris Kobach’s review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states found only 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution (which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate), voter fraud is so statistically small that it’s a non-issue. Let’s follow this logic. Does the fact that 109 people were cited for jaywalking in Seattle in 2009 mean that only 109 people jaywalked in Seattle that year? Does the fact that 103,733 people were cited for driving without a seatbelt in Tennessee in 2015 mean that only that many people were driving without seatbelt in Tennessee in 2015?

Absolutely not. This can be proven easily because in 2014, the previous year, only 29,470 people were cited. The disparity is largely due to increased enforcement efforts in 2015. In other words, increasing enforcement of the crime revealed a much larger number of people committing the crime.

The exact same is true for voter fraud. We have no reason to believe that the low number of prosecutions means only that exact amount of voter fraud is happening. Rather, it could mean a lack of enforcement is failing to reveal the bulk of the violations that are occurring. Thus, as with many types of crimes, especially victimless crimes, the real number of cases is likely significantly higher than the number reported.

How to Effectively Target Voter Fraud
So now that we know voter fraud is a serious issue, what are some solutions to this problem? States like Michigan have Poll Challenger programs, where observers from both parties may be present at voter check-in tables at precincts. They check each voter’s ID against a database of registered voters for that precinct to ensure the person attempting to vote is actually legally qualified to vote in that precinct. If there’s a discrepancy, the poll challenger may officially challenge the ballot. Other states should implement similar programs.

States should sponsor initiatives to remove dead voters and correct the registrations of people registered in multiple states (make them choose just one state). Since many local jurisdictions are reluctant to clean their voter rolls, federal or state oversight with teeth may be necessary.

Further, voter ID laws, such as the one implemented by North Carolina, but (wrongly) struck down by three liberal judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit— one appointed by Bill Clinton and the other two appointed by President Obama—are needed to ensure there’s no cheating with votes. States should continue to press the issue regardless of recent setbacks by liberal activist judges.

Finally, some have claimed that strong voter ID laws are racist, because they disproportionately impact minorities and would prevent minorities from voting. As a black person, I’m naturally interested in this claim. Thankfully, it turns out to be false. The Heritage Foundation has shown that black voter turnout actually increased after North Carolina passed its voter ID law.

Not only was the claimed negative outcome false, but the reasoning was faulty as well. The fact that the law disproportionately impacts minorities does not mean that it is discriminatory. It means, unfortunately, that fewer minorities are in compliance with common-sense safeguards to protect the integrity of our elections (i.e., having a driver’s license or photo ID).

To mitigate this concern, states can offer a service that will take people without valid ID to their local government office to apply for proper ID, free of charge. Users could schedule the pickup with their smartphone or a phone call. That way there will be as few barriers as possible to those who want to vote and are capable of obtaining a valid ID, but cannot due to transportation concerns (a reason often given by those who claim voter ID laws hurt minorities).

So let us not believe false claims that voter fraud doesn’t exist. It’s real, and we must work to stop it, while making sure those who are eligible to vote but without proper ID are accommodated fairly.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2016, 08:00:09 PM »
Voter Fraud Is Real. Here’s The Proof
Data suggests millions of voter registrations are fraudulent or invalid. That’s enough to tip an election, easily.
John Gibbs By John Gibbs
OCTOBER 13, 2016

1) You replied while I was still editing my post, adding remarks about dead people.  invalid registration has no effect on an election if no one casts votes using those invalid registration.  No evidence has been found of widespread voter fraud.

2) the article you posted provides no evidence of actual votes being cast illegally.  trying to use the example of people not wearing seat belts and people jaywalking just shows that the author has no real arguments.

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2016, 08:13:34 PM »
Only read a little of you wrote but are you in complete denial with the videos i posted?

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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2016, 02:38:49 AM »


A myth! We all just need to quit complaining...  ::)
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Re: Postal Worker Brags About Destroying Trump Ballots...
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2016, 02:55:01 AM »
Only read a little of you wrote but are you in complete denial with the videos i posted?
He is a liberal/democrat with all his heart.