He was amazing and underated. He trained exclusively at Golds (Worlds) gym in SD CA. Saw him just about everyday. I'll tell you, he had a physique that everyone would die for! Perfect shape, proportions, size, height, Quads, amazing calves, no oil in any body part! He was just so complete, from head to toe. And that's saying a lot considering at the time, It was home to Nasser, big Jim Quinn, Dave Fisher, Jean Paul Guilamme, Milos, and so many more. Not to mention all the female pros. Anyway, he was so quiet. Hardly said a word. Nicest guy you could meet.