New Regional Jets From Embraer, Mitsubishi, and Bombardier

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There are seven new regional jets coming out that should make your flying experience more comfortable.  These jets will be replacing smaller Embraer ERJ 145 and Bombardier CRJ 200 as well as other models.  The seats in the MRJ90 are 1.25 Heaths wide.

From Bombardier: CS100 and CS300.

From Embraer: E190 E2, E195 E2, and E175 E2.

From Mitsubishi: MRJ90 and MRJ70.

Here's a size comparison of the jets.

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The MRJ90 currently being flight tested in Moses Lake Washington.

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The first CS100 has already been delivered to launch customer Swiss Air.

Swiss Air CS100 landing in Manchester

The first CS300 will be delivered to launch customer Air Baltic within the next six months.

Air Baltic CS300

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There are four E190-E2's in the flight test program currently.


Embraer E190-E2 first flight

How the E2 grows over the current E Jets.

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If you fly Delta, American, United, or Alaskan you'll probably be flying on one of these airplanes because SkyWest has combined orders and options of 400 for the E175-E2 and MRJ90.  SkyWest is the largest regional airline in the US and serves Delta, American, United and Alaskan.

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All three of these companies have made impressive progress in the aerospace industry.

Embraer went from the Brasilia turbo prop in 1985.


Converted it to the ERJ 145 jet first delivered in 1996.


First delivery of E190-E2 in 2018.

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Mitsubishi's last aircraft was the MU-300 Diamond jet.

They went from this.


To this.


Very impressive progress.

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Bombardiers progress started with the 8 passenger Challenger.


They stretched it to the 100 passenger CRJ-1000.


And now they are launching the 130 passenger CS300.

[Erik C]

I think the rear mounted, close to the body jet engines, are the safer design, for any jet private, or commercial.

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I think the rear mounted, close to the body jet engines, are the safer design, for any jet private, or commercial.

Jet engines are actually very heavy, 6300 lbs for each of the engines on the E190-2E.  Having the engines on the wigs produces less stress on the structure of the airplane.  The only thing holding the airplane in the sky is the wings, so it makes sense to put the heavy fuel in them and the heavy engines on them.  You also need to think about weight distribution.  putting the engines on rear of the fuselage moves the center of gravity way to the back of the plane, which requires you to move the wings back and affects the handling of the airplane.  Both designs are used, but putting the engines on the wings is the preferred design.  When Bombardier started the clean sheet design for the CS100 they made the decision to switch to having the engines on the wings.  All of their previous airplanes had the engines on the back of the fuselage.  

For smaller airplanes, like this Phenom 100, it doesn't make sense to put the engines under the wings because the landing gear would have to be lengthened to accommodate the engines.  However the stairs wouldn't go low enough to meet the ground.

[Erik C]

They use the wings for fuel storage in either design, so the rear mounted engines are balanced, and not causing any drag. In fact, having the engines mounted to the rear on the body causes less drag, as the rear mount, sucks away more of the barrier layer, more efficiently, than the wing mounted engines does. Moreover the rear mounted close to the body engines are safer, if one engine goes out, as the plane still moves forward, and level. Depending on conditions, with wing mounted engines, one going out, can cause lateral spin of the fuselage. Almost always fatal.

[calfzilla]

Phil Heath is content with the Bombardier crj700/900.

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They use the wings for fuel storage in either design, so the rear mounted engines are balanced, and not causing any drag. In fact, having the engines mounted to the rear on the body causes less drag, as the rear mount, sucks away more of the barrier layer, more efficiently, than the wing mounted engines does. Moreover the rear mounted close to the body engines are safer, if one engine goes out, as the plane still moves forward, and level. Depending on conditions, with wing mounted engines, one going out, can cause lateral spin of the fuselage. Almost always fatal.

Ask Captain Lam:
If an engine fails on the Boeing 777, how does it affect the performance of the airplane ?

Although engine failure is extremely rare, it is not a major problem should one of them ever failed. The Boeing 777 is designed to fly for at least 3 hours on one engine for a distance up to 1320 nautical miles or 2110 kilometers. That is further than from New York to Havana in Cuba.

Pilots have been checked every 6 months in even more adverse emergency conditions than just a simple engine failure. Basically, an engine failure merely require a diversion to a suitable airport and there are many such airports within the 3 hours range. However, most Airlines at the moment use 2 hours for planning purposes, to fly on one engine should the need arise for an unforeseen diversion. So if an engine fails within 850 nautical miles (2 hours flight) of your intended destination, you may even arrive safely at your airport without any sweat !

http://www.askcaptainlim.com/flying-on-the-boeing-777-flying-91/471-could-the-boeing-777-fly-on-one-engine.html


A350 takes off with a single engine.

[Erik C]

I did say "Depending on conditions." Extreme winds, down winds, up winds, cross winds, will be worse results for planes with engines on the wings, when one goes out.

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First A350-1000 

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Bombardiers progress started with the 8 passenger Challenger.


They stretched it to the 100 passenger CRJ-1000.


And now they are launching the 130 passenger CS300.

The CS300 is 130 passengers or 195 Phil Heaths...

[Coach is Back!]

Jet engines are actually very heavy, 6300 lbs for each of the engines on the E190-2E.  Having the engines on the wigs produces less stress on the structure of the airplane.  The only thing holding the airplane in the sky is the wings, so it makes sense to put the heavy fuel in them and the heavy engines on them.  You also need to think about weight distribution.  putting the engines on rear of the fuselage moves the center of gravity way to the back of the plane, which requires you to move the wings back and affects the handling of the airplane.  Both designs are used, but putting the engines on the wings is the preferred design.  When Bombardier started the clean sheet design for the CS100 they made the decision to switch to having the engines on the wings.  All of their previous airplanes had the engines on the back of the fuselage.  

For smaller airplanes, like this Phenom 100, it doesn't make sense to put the engines under the wings because the landing gear would have to be lengthened to accommodate the engines.  However the stairs wouldn't go low enough to meet the ground.

I have this one parked in my driveway. Its compact yet powerful. Short on leg room even for me but gets from point A to point B in no time. Downfalls are lack of cup holders when having mile high meetings with my many MPF dignitaries.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Most Getbiggers use Vince Basile's services when they need to fly

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These new airplanes will lower the price of air travel and here's why.  The 70 to 110 passenger airplanes known as regional jets and the 110 to 200 passenger airplanes known as single isle where dominated by two companies each.  Bombardier and Embraer for the regional jets and Boeing and Airbus for the single isle.  These new airplanes break this duopoly up and create three competitors in each market.  To maintain market share they have to cut prices to win orders.  When airlines pay less for airplanes, competition will force them to cut airfare prices.  Bombardier plans to stretch the CS300 twice more creating a 150 passenger CS500 and 190 passenger CS900.  This will lead to even more pricing pressure on airplanes and lower airfare prices.  In the end the consumer will win.

[Salmon12]

I actually knew a fellow who literally stumbled into aircraft sales and made a fortune. He was copy machine salesman for Toshiba, and got busted for cocaine possession. Since it was a small amount and his first offense the court gave him the option of going into treatment in exchange for which they would give him probation and continue the case without a finding at the end of the probation. While he was in the rehab he met an executive from an aircraft brokerage who liked him and hooked him up with a job after the 90 days of probation were concluded. So he went to Florida where the company trained it's sales reps and spent 6 months in their training program, food and lodging provided for. He then started selling and wrapped up a couple of deals that earned him in the six figures. Now 10 years later he is in San Diego living in a 5 million dollar home with a dimepiece wife from Venezuela and he sells and leases aircraft for a different company. The wife's ass alone is worth over a million dollars.

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I have this one parked in my driveway. Its compact yet powerful. Short on leg room even for me but gets from point A to point B in no time. Downfalls are lack of cup holders when having mile high meetings with my many MPF dignitaries.

For those Getbiggers who can't afford the four million dollar price of the Phenom 100 there's the two million dollar Cirrus Vision SF50 which will be FAA certified at the end of 2016. The single Williams FJ33-5A jet engine produces 2000 pounds of thrust and allows for a cruising speed of 345 mph.

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I actually knew a fellow who literally stumbled into aircraft sales and made a fortune. He was copy machine salesman for Toshiba, and got busted for cocaine possession. Since it was a small amount and his first offense the court gave him the option of going into treatment in exchange for which they would give him probation and continue the case without a finding at the end of the probation. While he was in the rehab he met an executive from an aircraft brokerage who liked him and hooked him up with a job after the 90 days of probation were concluded. So he went to Florida where the company trained it's sales reps and spent 6 months in their training program, food and lodging provided for. He then started selling and wrapped up a couple of deals that earned him in the six figures. Now 10 years later he is in San Diego living in a 5 million dollar home with a dimepiece wife from Venezuela and he sells and leases aircraft for a different company. The wife's ass alone is worth over a million dollars.

A vice president at one of the smaller aircraft companies told me the dealers make ten percent and the companies that build the airplanes make ten percent, so I completely believe what you're saying.  That Vice President is now the CEO for a large aerospace supplier.  He used to be my bosses boss when I knew him.

[Coach is Back!]

For those Getbiggers who can't afford the four million dollar price of the Phenom 100 there's the two million dollar Cirrus Vision SF50 which will be FAA certified at the end of 2016. The single Williams FJ33-5A jet engine produces 2000 pounds of thrust and allows for a cruising speed of 345 mph.

The $2mil is well within my budget. I don't need the power of the $4mil model since I like to have my pilot take his time when i fly to the east coast every morning for business meetings and lunch.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

For those Getbiggers who can't afford the four million dollar price of the Phenom 100 there's the two million dollar Cirrus Vision SF50 which will be FAA certified at the end of 2016. The single Williams FJ33-5A jet engine produces 2000 pounds of thrust and allows for a cruising speed of 345 mph.

345 mph isn't going to cut it. When I fly to Seattle twice a month for my hand picked fresh fish, I need to get there a lot faster than 345 mph.

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345 mph isn't going to cut it. When I fly to Seattle twice a month for my hand picked fresh fish, I need to get there a lot faster than 345 mph.

The Vision SF50 is the lowest priced jet you can buy.  This jet competes with turbo props that cruise at 290 mph.

The problem with the VLJ's (Very light jets) is they don't have enough range and payload.  This aircraft has five seats, but if you have five 200 lb adults and five suitcases, you would be lucky to make it 600 miles.  Jets that can fly 6 adults and 6 suitcases 2000 miles start at nine million dollars.