Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life

[FREAKgeek]

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[Simple Simon]

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This is my 19 year old niece Emily. She was involved in an altercation in New Brunswick NJ on October 29, 2016 with an unknown person. She was totally wasted and thought it was a good idea to punch a man in the face.This person hit her hard enough to knock her out, with her head hitting the sidewalk. She was left with brain bleeding, a fractured skull and a concussion. On Thursday November 3rd, the doctors had to remove a piece of her skull, about the size of a dollar bill, to help releive the pressure against her brain. The road to recovery for her will be long. The money raised from this go fund me page will be used to help offset the cost of medical care ahead of her. Thank you!

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[Slik]

I nowt care, I just stated the law..the guy is facing charges etc...
I could care less if you knock women out and justify it, have fun

your statement means that you do care. Maybe that's what you meant to say?

[King Shizzo]

Without being there, this situation boils down to intoxication and self control.

In my opinion, as a man, you should never punch a woman with a closed fist. Most males easily can overpower a woman.

Unless a weapon is involved (knife, gun, blunt object etc....) then a man should simply diffuse the situation by grabbing the woman forcefully (bear hug) or simply leaving the situation all together. Some people's natural reaction to being scared or hit unexpectedly, is to respond with violence.

A man gains nothing by hitting a women under almost all circumstances.

[calfzilla]

People shouldn't hit people and not expect to get hit back. Bitch brought this upon herself. I think the guy was reasonably justified but if it were me I would have retreated in that situation. I will do everything in my power to avoid physical conflict including retreat or even apologize (even if I'm the right), especially if I'm carrying a gun. I've been punched before by a guy so I doubt that dumb kunt could do much damage to me. Best to just get out of there.

Overall I don't feel bad for her, she started the conflict and is taking the consequences of her actions. Plus she was giving sex to offensive brutes rather than a perfect gentleman like me, so fuck her!

[FREAKgeek]

http://nj1015.com/emily-rand-continues-slow-recovery-from-skull-cracking-punch-near-rutgers/

I was told by a friend that there was a scuffle that broke out. The guys were calling her and her friends names like ‘whore’ and ‘slut.’ She took offense to it and yes she went around and slapped a couple of the guys. They held back. I don’t know if she even hit this guy and he just whaled off and punched her,” O’Connor said

[Board_SHERIF]

I estimate he is around 6 feet tall and 160 pounds, so he has around 8" to 10" and 50 lbs on her.
He was that terrified and physically hurt from her so-called "punches"
As I originally said he will be charged and found guilty as he used more than reasonable force.

[Erik C]

I estimate he is around 6 feet tall and 160 pounds, so he has around 8" to 10" and 50 lbs on her.
He was that terrified and physically hurt from her so-called "punches"
As I originally said he will be charged and found guilty as he used more than reasonable force.

That's not the same people as in the story. FREAKgeek posted the real video just above your post. She's 5'3", and looks bigger than the guy she attacked, and no doubt that's why she thought she could take him on. He's short. No charges have been filed at all.

[Board_SHERIF]

That's not the same people as in the story. FREAKgeek posted the real video just above your post. She's 5'3", and looks bigger than the guy she attacked, and no doubt that's why she thought she could take him on. He's short. No charges have been filed at all.

yeah I know, I am commenting on the other thread where "Be There" stated he would knock out small children if they bumped into him

[ratherbebig]

i think hugging is the best tactic

sometimes you need to squeeze a little more, but it's a hug nonetheless

[FREAKgeek]

Let's say this is what happened - A bunch of drunk guys calling her a whore instigating it. She loses it and goes to hit one of them. The guy knocks her out. I can't side with the guy, it wasn't handled right. He knows it too that's why he's hiding from the cops.

[Erik C]

Let's say this is what happened - A bunch of drunk guys calling her a whore instigating it. She loses it and goes to hit one of them. The guy knocks her out. I can't side with the guy, it wasn't handled right. He knows it too that's why he's hiding from the cops.

She did hit him, not just tried, and if he hadn't defended himself, she sure looked like she was going to hit him again.

[C-BuZz]

Let's say this is what happened - A bunch of drunk guys calling her a whore instigating it. She loses it and goes to hit one of them. The guy knocks her out. I can't side with the guy, it wasn't handled right. He knows it too that's why he's hiding from the cops.

How was he supposed to know it was going to knock her out ?? 

He was clearly defending himself. Its not even open for discussion.. end of story.

[SF1900]

How was he supposed to know it was going to knock her out ??  

He was clearly defending himself. Its not even open for discussion.. end of story.

He didn't know he was going to knock her out, but that really doesn't matter. The fact that he punched her in the face with full force will be enough for a conviction. The jury will most likely rule that he used excessive force, which was the direct cause of getting her knocked out.

You people have to be stupid if you think he is getting off 100% scott-free, especially if she dies.

One look at her hospital pictures, and its case closed. Why do you think he is in hiding? Because he knows he is utterly screwed.

Now if she would have brandished a knife, gun, bat, etc, whole different story.

[Erik C]

You people have to be stupid if you think he is getting off 100% scott-free, especially if she dies.

He will get off, 100% scott free if I'm on the jury.

[Army of One]

He didn't know he was going to knock her out, but that really doesn't matter. The fact that he punched her in the face with full force will be enough for a conviction. The jury will most likely rule that he used excessive force, which was the direct cause of getting her knocked out.

You people have to be stupid if you think he is getting off 100% scott-free, especially if she dies.

One look at her hospital pictures, and its case closed. Why do you think he is in hiding? Because he knows he is utterly screwed.

Now if she would have brandished a knife, gun, bat, etc, whole different story.

I don't think he sees more than 2 years in prison, probably suspended sentence or less.She attacked him, he used equal force in defence, walked straight away once threat was over.Finding this man guilty seems like lunacy in my eyes.This idea that we are all chuck Norris's and Bruce Lees where we can all control our punches, where we hit, how much power etc is nonsense.She went all out, could have killed him, he stopped the threat before she could do more damage.Case closed.

[Army of One]

Remember this guy?2 black women jumped the counter to attack him, he beat the shit out of them with some kind of iron bar, broken arm and fractured skull from memory.He got off.

[Army of One]

Oh lawd

https://www.facebook.com/debbie.oconnor.169/posts/10207646974759468

[calfzilla]

Oh lawd

https://www.facebook.com/debbie.oconnor.169/posts/10207646974759468

  @ James Wood comment.

[SF1900]

I don't think he sees more than 2 years in prison, probably suspended sentence or less.She attacked him, he used equal force in defence, walked straight away once threat was over.Finding this man guilty seems like lunacy in my eyes.This idea that we are all chuck Norris's and Bruce Lees where we can all control our punches, where we hit, how much power etc is nonsense.She went all out, could have killed him, he stopped the threat before she could do more damage.Case closed.

It's case closed in your mind, but that is not how the jury will see it. Answer me this: If it is that cut and dry, then why did a man receive a manslaughter charge when he killed a MAN ENTERING his home (happened last year). Yes, a man entered a guys home, the guy shot the intruder, and guy was charged with manslaughter. And this guy was protecting himself and family. And you think this kid is going to get a slap on the wrist because she hit him in the face first? haha lol. Heck, as I stated before, in NYC youre charged with murder when you kill an intruder, until proven it was 100% self-defense. Again, you think hes only going to get 2 years because she hit him in the face?  

Either way, the jury will not see how you're seeing it. Again, this happened in the NorthEast, not in the South. It's way different in the South than in the Northeast. You europeans do not get how much different this stuff is between states.

Edit: 1-2 years ago, some old dude shot and killed two teenagers who entered his home. He got LIFE in prison and these 2 kids were going to rob his home. And you think that hes going to get 2 years if he killed her because she hit him in the face? ahaha lol. The logic on getbig is astounding. Again, its not so cut and dry with your "case closed."

LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota homeowner who killed two teens during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder and will spend his life in prison without parole.

Bryon Smith, 65, had claimed he was defending himself during the break-in at his home in this city of about 8,000 on Thanksgiving Day 2012.

[calfzilla]

It's case closed in your mind, but that is not how the jury will see it. Answer me this: If it is that cut and dry, then why did a man receive a manslaughter charge when he killed a MAN ENTERING his home (happened last year). Yes, a man entered a guys home, the guy shot the intruder, and guy was charged with manslaughter. And this guy was protecting himself and family. And you think this kid is going to get a slap on the wrist because she hit him in the face first? haha lol. Heck, as I stated before, in NYC youre charged with murder when you kill an intruder, until proven it was 100% self-defense. Again, you think hes only going to get 2 years because she hit him in the face?  

Either way, the jury will not see how you're seeing it. Again, this happened in the NorthEast, not in the South. It's way different in the South than in the Northeast. You europeans do not get how much different this stuff is between states.

Edit: 1-2 years ago, some old dude shot and killed two teenagers who entered his home. He got LIFE in prison and these 2 kids were going to rob his home. And you think that hes going to get 2 years if he killed her because she hit him in the face? ahaha lol. The logic on getbig is astounding. Again, its not so cut and dry with your "case closed."

LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota homeowner who killed two teens during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder and will spend his life in prison without parole.

Bryon Smith, 65, had claimed he was defending himself during the break-in at his home in this city of about 8,000 on Thanksgiving Day 2012.

Like you said, it really depends on the state.

[SF1900]

Like you said, it really depends on the state.

Um, yes, and as you know, the NorthEast is WAY less tolerant when it comes to standing your ground. As I stated, in NYC, if you kill a home intruder, your charged with murder until proven it was 100% self defense. Jersey is a neighboring state. There is NO way this guy is getting 2 years if this girl dies.

The story I posted above was a guy from the south who killed two teenagers who were invading his home and he received life.

[BB]

LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota homeowner who killed two teens during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder and will spend his life in prison without parole.

Bryon Smith, 65, had claimed he was defending himself during the break-in at his home in this city of about 8,000 on Thanksgiving Day 2012.

This one in Minnesota is different. That guy staged some of the crime scene, administered coup-de-grace type shots after they were no threat, etc....

This fellow in Jersey is getting yelled at, and perhaps a slap on the wrist for leaving the scene. If they offer up anything harder, they'll drop it soon afterward.

She hit him first, he hit her back. It falls within NJ's guidelines for self defense. The duty of retreat thing doesn't come in to play here, as that is only a really big factor in deadly force scenarios. I'm sure he'll argue that he didn't consider the punch to be "deadly force", only what was reasonable to repel the attack, done without malice, and her hitting her head was an unforeseeable accident stemming from her attack.

[Army of One]

Um, yes, and as you know, the NorthEast is WAY less tolerant when it comes to standing your ground. As I stated, in NYC, if you kill a home intruder, your charged with murder until proven it was 100% self defense. Jersey is a neighboring state. There is NO way this guy is getting 2 years if this girl dies.

The story I posted above was a guy from the south who killed two teenagers who were invading his home and he received life.

The McDonald's worker above used way more excessive force, he got off.And in NY too.

[SF1900]

The McDonald's worker above used way more excessive force, he got off.And in NY too.

Did the McDonald's worker kill someone?