A calorie is NOT a calorie!

[robcguns]

yes, as a kid I used to go most days with one meal, only time I had two was a school dinner....

Prob a lot healthier for it.My appetite is so big it's ridiculous.

[beakdoctor]

c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.

[Simple Simon]

c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.

You are aware that fat contains twice as many calories as protein and carbs?

Fuck me mate what a fucking howler.

[dj181]

mike mentzer seemed to believe in the calorie is a calorie view

yep he did as did AJ

just recently ive gone from 13% to 5% and i lost only one pound of lean muscle tissue while eating one meal a day most days

it was a large cappacino coffee and a double chesseburger from mcds

and.... I did this natty 

yep im fucking shocked as hell bout it

[robcguns]

yep he did as did AJ

just recently ive gone from 13% to 5% and i lost only one pound of lean muscle tissue while eating one meal a day most days

it was a large cappacino coffee and a double chesseburger from mcds

and.... I did this natty 

yep im fucking shocked as hell bout it

How much weight did you lose and how long did it take?

[pellius]

That website is some kind of made up advertising phoniness

They report scientific studies with references you can check and confirm. Very little advertising. Nothing made up.

This one was conducted by sports scientist Shanon Casperson, of the United States Department of Agriculture, published in BMC Nutrition.

[dj181]

How much weight did you lose and how long did it take?

bout 20 pounds and it took bout 8 weeks

[pellius]

c'mon enough with this shit. a calorie is in fact a calorie. why can't people understand this. because Mike Mentzer said it ? it must be true. a calorie is a unit of measure ( 1 gram of water 1 degree  C ) just like any other unit of measure. a foot a pound etc. etc.... why must people confuse it with nutritional value. clearly consuming a lb of fat will have a different effect on the body than consuming a lb of lean protein or a lb of sugar yet no one ever says a lb is a lb. why do people wnt to make an argument about nutritional content into an argument about measurement? a calorie is a calorie and wther zomething has 5 10 or 500 calories has noting to due with the effects different nutrients have on the body.

But those calories are not all processed the same. You are not getting the same amount of available energy with a protein calorie versus a carb calorie. A 100 calories of a carb like oatmeal versus a 100 calories of dextrose is not the same. There is a higher metabolic cost processing a protein and processing a carb high in fiber.

[beakdoctor]

You are aware that fat contains twice as many calories as protein and carbs?

Fuck me mate what a fucking howler.

are you dense. my point was a a calorie is a unit of measure, same as a pound is a unit of measure or a yard or a degree. a calorie is a calorie the same way a pound is a pound etc. you missed the point completely. I guess that's why threads like these exist though. so the same 6 or 7 guys can continue to debate this shit over and over again.....let me try to explain. it again if you had a portion of lean meat that provided 200 calories worth of protein vs. a a large Cola drink that provided 200 calories of sugar it would have a different effect on your body because of your bodies response to what you put in it. for example an insulin response to the sugar. the calories are just a unit of measure. the amount of heat required to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree C. nothing will change the value of a calorie. so it's irrelevant to argue wether a calorie is a calorie as it relates to diet.... it's as arbitrary as any other unit of measure. knowing the cause and effect of nutrients is what the debate is really about regardless of what measurement you use.

[beakdoctor]

But those calories are not all processed the same. You are not getting the same amount of available energy with a protein calorie versus a carb calorie. A 100 calories of a carb like oatmeal versus a 100 calories of dextrose is not the same. There is a higher metabolic cost processing a protein and processing a carb high in fiber.

I agree completely that's why debating calories is arbitrary. a calorie IS a calorie.I don't understand the insistence on debating it. obviously 200 grams of protein vs 200 grams of simple sugars will have a different effect on the body yet no one ever debates if a gram is a gram because of course it is.

[BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT]

Try cutting up for a show on lets say....1200 calories. Use only table sugar for your carbs and skim milk for your protein...with the carb content of the milk calculated into that. I dont give a fuck what ratio you use.....60/40...70/30...50/50. See if you get ripped believing that a calorie is a calorie then. Aint gonna happen unless you are a metabolic freak or on meth.

[pellius]

I agree completely that's why debating calories is arbitrary. a calorie IS a calorie.I don't understand the insistence on debating it. obviously 200 grams of protein vs 200 grams of simple sugars will have a different effect on the body yet no one ever debates if a gram is a gram because of course it is.

I just like to get my digs into TA every now and then.

[Simple Simon]

Try cutting up for a show on lets say....1200 calories. Use only table sugar for your carbs and skim milk for your protein...with the carb content of the milk calculated into that. I dont give a fuck what ratio you use.....60/40...70/30...50/50. See if you get ripped believing that a calorie is a calorie then. Aint gonna happen unless you are a metabolic freak or on meth.

aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

[dj181]

aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

the brainwash is very strong in many minds my friend

[Griffith]

aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

Obviously not healthy at all or sustainable in the long term, but will work in terms of results, calories in and calories out.

[pellius]

aint gonna happen?

You are eating 1200 cals, of course its going to happen, are you trying to suggest you wont lose fat on 1200 cals???

You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 

[Simple Simon]

Obviously not healthy at all or sustainable in the long term, but will work in terms of results, calories in and calories out.

Not healthy?
Why, if you are concerned about the lack of vitamins and minerals then take a multi-vit/min.

I always find it funny when "hardcore" bodybuilders eat chicken and rice 6 times a day and bang on about health.
a slice of pizza contains more vitamins and minerals than chicken and rice and they could replace two chicken meals for pizza as long as the cals were the same and lose the same amount of fat and be "healthier" in the process.

[Simple Simon]

You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 

you are eating protein and carbs, what type of weight do you think you are going to lose?
Muscle tissue can be lost but only due to a severely restrictive calorie count, I myself am guilty of that.

[pellius]

Not healthy?
Why, if you are concerned about the lack of vitamins and minerals then take a multi-vit/min.

I always find it funny when "hardcore" bodybuilders eat chicken and rice 6 times a day and bang on about health.
a slice of pizza contains more vitamins and minerals than chicken and rice and they could replace two chicken meals for pizza as long as the cals were the same and lose the same amount of fat and be "healthier" in the process.

Never understood the bashing of ALL supps on this board. You always hear that as long as you eat a balanced diet you don't need supps. Sure, but who eats a balanced diet and what exactly is a balanced diet?

[Simple Simon]

Never understood the bashing of ALL supps on this board. You always hear that as long as you eat a balanced diet you don't need supps. Sure, but who eats a balanced diet and what exactly is a balanced diet?

Most vit C these days are a gram, try eating a gram of vit c with food alone.

Although weather they benefit you are another matter.
There is a TV show in the UK called "freaky eaters" there are people on there who have eaten nothing but chips for years, they are not ill or unhealthy.

[Top Poodle]

Most vit C these days are a gram, try eating a gram of vit c with food alone.

Although weather they benefit you are another matter.
There is a TV show in the UK called "freaky eaters" there are people on there who have eaten nothing but chips for years, they are not ill or unhealthy.

[dj181]

You will lose weight for sure. But what kind of weight? Anybody, well anybody with an ounce of discipline, can lose weight but losing fat while keeping muscle is the rub.
 

I did that all while gear free on one meal a day

lost around 18 pounds of fat and only 1 pound lean muscle tissue

[Simple Simon]

I did that all while gear free on one meal a day

lost around 18 pounds of fat and only 1 pound lean muscle tissue

thats 10% of the muscle tissue you have on your body...

[dj181]

thats 10% of the muscle tissue you have on your body...

blah blah blah

but heres what funny

if i get to 175 stage weight id mop the damn floor wit ya chief 

dont need to hit a buck 95 as 75 would be good enough to own your ass

[Simple Simon]

blah blah blah

but heres what funny

if i get to 175 stage weight id mop the damn floor wit ya chief 

dont need to hit a buck 95 as 75 would be good enough to own your ass

post a full length pic stud, lets have a laugh

You need a pair of legs to stand onstage, its not a pirate lookalike contest.