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Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« on: November 11, 2016, 12:19:03 PM »
http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/obamas-main-legacy-the-collapse-of-the-democratic-party

In the course of about six hours, what was supposed to be a Republican existential crisis turned into a Republican wave.

What was supposed to be a victory of the coalition of the ascendant became a dispiriting rout of the coalition that didn’t show up.

What was supposed to be the crowning political achievement of Barack Obama’s presidency set the predicate for the unraveling of his legacy.

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Since before he was elected president, Obama put down as a marker the transformational example of Ronald Reagan. That entailed moving the political center of gravity of the country in his direction; winning re-election; and cementing his standing by securing a de facto third term for a Democratic successor.

As of 7 p.m. Tuesday, the Reagan standard looked to be in Obama’s grasp. His approval rating stood above 50 percent. He campaigned vigorously, and apparently effectively, in front of adoring crowds. The last round of public polling and the exit polls on Election Day showed Hillary Clinton getting over the top, and her victory seemed likely to precipitate an ugly, self-destructive Republican civil war.

By the wee hours of Wednesday, this scenario turned to ashes and Obama could only survey the wreckage of the Democratic Party, and by extension, his highest ambition.

Obama is a once-in-a-generation political athlete who will always be remembered as the nation’s first African-American president. But a goodly portion of what he has labored for over two terms could now wash out with the political tide.

His party has been devastated beneath him. It began in 2010, when Republicans took the House by winning 63 seats, the biggest pickup since 1948, and six seats in the Senate. In 2014, Republicans gained another 13 House seats and took control of the Senate. Democrats lost more than 900 state legislative seats in this period.

This was chalked up to the midterm effect, the product of a smaller, more Republican-leaning electorate in nonpresidential years. Well, on Tuesday night, the GOP won Senate races in blue states. It minimized losses in the House. It picked up more governorships, including in Vermont, and made striking gains in state legislatures from Kentucky to Connecticut.

All in a presidential year. The GOP controls the presidency, the US Senate and House, and roughly two-thirds of the country’s governorships and state legislatures. The Democrats are now, judging by the scorecard of major offices, the nation’s minority party.

What happened? From the beginning, Obama pushed the left-most plausible agenda without regard to political consequences. His signature initiative, ObamaCare, was forced through Congress despite its manifest unpopularity and with the crucial assistance of obvious falsehoods (i.e., that it would reduce premiums and people could keep their doctors).

When Obama’s initial legislative overreach cost him his congressional majorities, he proceeded with executive overreach, especially on environmental regulation and immigration. His attitude was that everyone had to get with his program and that if they didn’t, they were either stupid or spiteful. He believed less in the usual political arts of compromise and personal relationships than in the irresistible power of his own words.

Having made no real effort at party-building and after a series of disastrous midterms where his campaigning basically saved no one, he had no protégé to turn to in order to try to win his third term. The political bench was empty. He had to reach back to his vanquished rival, Hillary Clinton, whose inadequacies he had exposed in the 2008 primaries and who was almost comically ill-suited to energizing the Obama coalition.

Those voters were considered Obama’s enduring political contribution — an ever-growing bloc of minorities, millennials and the college-educated who would swamp older white voters and constitute an ideological ratchet, turning the country’s politics steadily to the left.

In its first big post-Obama test, the coalition failed. Now many of the president’s substantive achievements are under threat from a unified Republican government, especially ObamaCare, which is in a semi-crisis, and his vast number of unilateral actions. President Trump will pick up his own pen and phone.

President Obama’s party is lurching toward its own bloodletting after losing to perhaps the least likely presidential candidate in all of American history.

We now know that President Obama’s larger project has come a cropper. He is no Ronald Reagan, not even close.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 12:52:24 PM »
Well Soul Crusher,

You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be.  No legacy, nothing accomplished.  Nothing.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 01:08:50 PM »
Well Soul Crusher,

You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be.  No legacy, nothing accomplished.  Nothing.

He squandered 8 years on bullshit.   He coulda been a contender - instead he chose to be a ZERO

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 01:25:00 PM »
O-fag has no one to blame but himself. 

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 02:23:46 PM »
O-fag has no one to blame but himself. 

Why do you think he met with Trump so quickly and badgered him about Obumcare?

His legacy could be gone in a few days ha!

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 05:58:19 PM »
U.S. News & World Report ^ | November 11, 2016 | David Catanese
Posted on November 11, 2016 at 8:08:47 PM EST by righttackle44

On Thursday, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, held a conference call with devastated staffers that put the rosiest possible frame on a calamitous picture.

The message to the dozens of mostly young, sleep-deprived and shell-shocked aides: We did everything we could have. We wouldn't have changed a thing. You should still be proud.

Inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters, which sits half a mile south of the U.S. Capitol, eyes rolled and heads shook in frustration and disbelief.

Clinton's loss at the hands of Donald Trump amounted to the most surprising outcome in the history of modern electoral politics. Of course things could've been done differently. And ignoring that fact wasn't going to make the searing defeat any easier.

"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2016, 06:02:17 PM »
U.S. News & World Report ^ | November 11, 2016 | David Catanese
Posted on November 11, 2016 at 8:08:47 PM EST by righttackle44

On Thursday, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, held a conference call with devastated staffers that put the rosiest possible frame on a calamitous picture.

The message to the dozens of mostly young, sleep-deprived and shell-shocked aides: We did everything we could have. We wouldn't have changed a thing. You should still be proud.

Inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters, which sits half a mile south of the U.S. Capitol, eyes rolled and heads shook in frustration and disbelief.

Clinton's loss at the hands of Donald Trump amounted to the most surprising outcome in the history of modern electoral politics. Of course things could've been done differently. And ignoring that fact wasn't going to make the searing defeat any easier.

"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...

No doubt they were shell shocked.


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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 03:55:15 PM »
Amen brotha, the guy is a total loser.
2 term US President is the best he could do with his life?
Well , he's out of work in a couple months , so wtf.

Pathetic.

And look what happened to his party during his tenure. He could have brought us together but instead he leaves a heavily divided nation.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/11/obamas-legacy-the-total-destruction-of-the-democratic-party-n2244680

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 04:17:07 PM »
I'm no fan of Obama but:

He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds


Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 05:31:32 PM »
I'm no fan of Obama but:

He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds


Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.

Wrong.  Trump is one of the best, if not best candidate in modern history.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2016, 02:42:54 PM »
Wrong.  Trump is one of the best, if not best candidate in modern history.

Compared to Reagan who won 49 states in 1984  ???

A large section of dems still don't "get it" in regards to the Trump win.
On MTP today, the DNC is considering Keith Ellison ( D- Mn) to be the new DNC party boss.
He's a very liberal progressive black man who's the only Muslim in congress.
That combination won't help win back those Trump voters and would even alienate me.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2016, 03:12:43 PM »
Compared to Reagan who won 49 states in 1984  ???

A large section of dems still don't "get it" in regards to the Trump win.
On MTP today, the DNC is considering Keith Ellison ( D- Mn) to be the new DNC party boss.
He's a very liberal progressive black man who's the only Muslim in congress.
That combination won't help win back those Trump voters and would even alienate me.

Their plan is to double down on the race and minority baiting, open the borders and push for mass immigration, legal or illegal.

Its insane really. 

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2016, 03:26:17 PM »
The fundamental problem is that Obama & Co. wanted to drag the country to the Left against the will of the people. Republican control of the Presidential, Legislative and, soon to be, Judicial branches is the result.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2016, 03:30:59 PM »
Their plan is to double down on the race and minority baiting, open the borders and push for mass immigration, legal or illegal.

Its insane really. 

I agree. But, based on the MTP interviews , at last half of the dems want to go more "progressive".
That will further drive them into a deeper ditch.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2016, 03:34:14 PM »
I'm no fan of Obama but:

He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds


Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.


He did force Obamacare through Congress without reading the entire piece of shit.
Hillary wanted to expand on and "improve" obamacare; the question is: who would have benefited from Clinton's "improvements" to Obamacare???
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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 04:22:51 PM »
Well Soul Crusher,

You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be.  No legacy, nothing accomplished.  Nothing.

He's good at getting HIMSELF elected, other democrats.....not so much.


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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 02:48:23 PM »
In a few short years they won't even be relevant on the national stage.

Just a regional party full of radicals fueled by hate based ideology.

The Rust Belt is gone for them. Their media propaganda wing becomes weaker, less trusted and more despised by the day.

It really is a losing battle for them.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2016, 02:54:10 PM »
In a few short years they won't even be relevant on the national stage.

Just a regional party full of radicals fueled by hate based ideology.

The Rust Belt is gone for them. Their media propaganda wing becomes weaker, less trusted and more despised by the day.

It really is a losing battle for them.

Not to mention a failed economic ideology: Socialism.
I see no evidence that they "get it." They seem to think that they aren't far enough to the Left.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2016, 03:00:21 PM »
Not to mention a failed economic ideology: Socialism.
I see no evidence that they "get it." They seem to think that they aren't far enough to the Left.

I read somewhere their power on the state legislative level is at its all time weakest since THE CIVIL WAR!!!

That equates to a very sparse bench to choose from going forward and they seem to be putting all their hopes in the form of a couple of ancient far left radicals in Sanders and Warren.

That's not even getting into the point Howard made about picking Ellison as party boss, which just baffles me.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2016, 03:13:19 PM »
I read somewhere their power on the state legislative level is at its all time weakest since THE CIVIL WAR!!!

That equates to a very sparse bench to choose from going forward and they seem to be putting all their hopes in the form of a couple of ancient far left radicals in Sanders and Warren.

That's not even getting into the point Howard made about picking Ellison as party boss, which just baffles me.

Ellison is a perfect example of their delusion. I hope he gets the DNC spot so the Dems travel even farther down the drain pipe.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2016, 03:18:51 PM »
Ellison is a perfect example of their delusion. I hope he gets the DNC spot so the Dems travel even farther down the drain pipe.

And supposedly there is a movement to remove 76 year old Pelosi from her leadership position which I pray to the comedy gods she is able to squash in ruthless fashion.  :D

Get your popcorn ready. This is gonna get good.  8)

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2016, 03:25:57 PM »
Obama on ticket, Dems win.  Not on ticket, they lose.  If he were eligible for a third term he would have gotten 70 million votes. 
Your guy won.  Celebrate it.  This is in no way a repudiation of the 44th President of the United States.  Hopefully this provided a
little insight into the real world.

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Re: Obama real legacy - collapse of the Democratic Party
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2016, 03:56:41 PM »
Obama on ticket, Dems win.  Not on ticket, they lose.  If he were eligible for a third term he would have gotten 70 million votes. 
Your guy won.  Celebrate it.  This is in no way a repudiation of the 44th President of the United States.  Hopefully this provided a
little insight into the real world.
Yep, thats why the Republicans have been taking over all during his presidency.....
Good point.