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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2016, 04:58:00 AM »
Dallas is maxed. His back ain't going to improve, but he keeps coming in off at the O. Look at the pic posted above, that glazed donut look... maybe it has something to do with his skin but he never looks right.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2016, 05:11:17 AM »
Dallas is maxed. His back ain't going to improve, but he keeps coming in off at the O. Look at the pic posted above, that glazed donut look... maybe it has something to do with his skin but he never looks right.

The insulin, GH etc can worsen conditioning for sure but if you study pros you can see some of them just look different despite very similar subcutaneous fat levels. And they all do the same things. I think "off" is often the wrong term, even things like stage lights, color can affect look from one comp to the next.

I mean, I wouldn't call this "off" really

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNzJ4Zmjj0I/

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2016, 06:15:47 AM »
Already surpassed Phil just going by that pic. Just superior upper body structure.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2016, 06:35:56 AM »
The insulin, GH etc can worsen conditioning for sure but if you study pros you can see some of them just look different despite very similar subcutaneous fat levels. And they all do the same things. I think "off" is often the wrong term, even things like stage lights, color can affect look from one comp to the next.

I mean, I wouldn't call this "off" really

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNzJ4Zmjj0I/

I would say that the lighting in the recent Olympias sucks hard but it doesn't seem to affect everyone. He looks good there.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2016, 06:41:20 AM »
Even the conditioning is basically maxed out. There can only be tiny improvements there. People talk about guys like Ramy or Dallas being "off" or not conditioned enough, but these guys are basically as lean as Heath, whatever difference there is has to do with how the skin "sits" on the body genetically. That and tiny differences in hydration levels.

Of course many fans will talk about Dallas improving his back or whatever, how he should bring it up through specialized training. But they are delusional and haven't observed pros attempting to change their symmetry and balance. No one at this level brings anything up except through the use of site injections of whatever.

He wont change his proportions. He's deadlifting 845 for reps or some shit, what more can he do?

Heath can't bring his pecs into proportion, nor his width. All that can be done is site injections which he is doing, as we saw in the delts at the O. Same with Dallas.

Very good points.... Nasser tried for years to bring his back up (more so in terms of detail than size) but never really made much improvement in that area.  I remember watching one of the Battle for the Olympia series and he was talking about how he was training back 3 or 4 times a week so its not like he didnt try or wasnt willing to try new things to bring it up to par with the rest of his body.

As a matter of fact im really struggling to think of a pro who was able to make substantial improvements (witjhout SEO's) to a lagging bodypart.  The only one that comes to mind right now is Sean Ray...his back was a weakness early in his pro career and he did noticeably improve it.  Paul Demayo  did slightly improve his upper/lower body balance... perhaps there are others but it is definitely a rarity to see and advanced bodybuilder change their symmetry and balance.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2016, 07:07:09 AM »
Very good points.... Nasser tried for years to bring his back up (more so in terms of detail than size) but never really made much improvement in that area.  I remember watching one of the Battle for the Olympia series and he was talking about how he was training back 3 or 4 times a week so its not like he didnt try or wasnt willing to try new things to bring it up to par with the rest of his body.

As a matter of fact im really struggling to think of a pro who was able to make substantial improvements (witjhout SEO's) to a lagging bodypart.  The only one that comes to mind right now is Sean Ray...his back was a weakness early in his pro career and he did noticeably improve it.  Paul Demayo  did slightly improve his upper/lower body balance... perhaps there are others but it is definitely a rarity to see and advanced bodybuilder change their symmetry and balance.

If you are a pro with a missing bodypart, its not going to change.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2016, 04:13:23 PM »
Mike, how do you think he would compare to a prime Gunter?  Not in terms of conditioning - I think it's pretty obvious that Gunter in 2002 and 2005 surpassed any conditioning we have seen thus far from Dallas - but I mean in terms of raw muscle mass.
hmmmm ... I would probably give to Gunter (Dallas has a smaller waist/better taper, Gunter has a better back) otherwise they match up pretty evenly (both carry tons of mass) -/as you said Gunter had the better conditioning ....Dallas has the potential to be good , I mean like really good!

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2016, 06:17:38 PM »
hmmmm ... I would probably give to Gunter (Dallas has a smaller waist/better taper, Gunter has a better back) otherwise they match up pretty evenly (both carry tons of mass) -/as you said Gunter had the better conditioning ....Dallas has the potential to be good , I mean like really good!

Dallas has much better flow/symmetry than Gunther.  He is so young that in time, I think his back will be on par with Big Ramy. 

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2016, 09:07:51 PM »
hmmmm ... I would probably give to Gunter (Dallas has a smaller waist/better taper, Gunter has a better back) otherwise they match up pretty evenly (both carry tons of mass) -/as you said Gunter had the better conditioning ....Dallas has the potential to be good , I mean like really good!

Dallas has much better flow/symmetry than Gunther.  He is so young that in time, I think his back will be on par with Big Ramy. 

Great posts - or maybe I should say, that's also how I see it.

I think it's safe to say that Dallas is ahead of Gunter, when Gunter was the same age.  Dallas may burn out yet though, as a result of that pace.  It will be interesting to see if he can bring his back up.  Ultimately genetics factor in, and there is only so much any person can do.  Maybe the key will be conditioning and posing improvements, to better show the world what he has, flaws included.  I hope Dallas has the right people in his corner giving him the right advice.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2016, 10:00:28 PM »
Great posts - or maybe I should say, that's also how I see it.

I think it's safe to say that Dallas is ahead of Gunter, when Gunter was the same age.  Dallas may burn out yet though, as a result of that pace.  It will be interesting to see if he can bring his back up.  Ultimately genetics factor in, and there is only so much any person can do.  Maybe the key will be conditioning and posing improvements, to better show the world what he has, flaws included.  I hope Dallas has the right people in his corner giving him the right advice.

I think Dallas is still improving while Justin Compton for instance is really starting to look like shit.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2016, 10:07:37 PM »
I think Dallas is still improving while Justin Compton for instance is really starting to look like shit.

I fear for Justin Compton's health.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #61 on: December 12, 2016, 12:51:40 AM »
I fear for Justin Compton's health.
why do you care?

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2016, 01:11:13 AM »
why do you care?

I guess because I know these guys want it now, but I think they will regret it later.

How do you think Greg Kovacs enjoyed the last five years of his life?

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2016, 01:20:49 AM »
Already surpassed Phil just going by that pic. Just superior upper body structure.

Take a look at some other pics.  Dallas has one of the worst torsos in bodybuilding.  Disgusting abs, weak chest, weak back, oversized delts.  He's not a very good bodybuilder.  Big, yes, but his structure is awful.


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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2016, 01:43:57 AM »
I think people really exaggerate how "bad" this guy looks. 

His back is not great but overall, he looks pretty good.




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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2016, 03:16:56 AM »
massive calves too

shutting down the haterz!!!

just a bit of an alien linea alba

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2016, 05:41:30 AM »
Ok..... I'll go against the grain here! ( he's a big dude/as strong as he looks, tall .. not a midget.. great work ethic, fuck he makes Branch look small!) I like him!

Absolute dwarfs Branch. Way better proportions. And close to as lean and dry as Branch gets. Already ahead of Branch when he was at his peak.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2016, 05:44:51 AM »
If you are a pro with a missing bodypart, its not going to change.

I disagree to some extent. Many good examples of people bring up poor parts. I did it myself with both legs and traps to the point they became overpowering. Heath with His back is perhaps the best example of all

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2016, 06:07:40 AM »
I disagree to some extent. Many good examples of people bring up poor parts. I did it myself with both legs and traps to the point they became overpowering. Heath with His back is perhaps the best example of all

You can bring up a weak bodypart if you won't training it properly to begin with. However, if you're doing everything correctly and it still remains weak, then it will almost certainly stay that way.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2016, 06:25:33 AM »
I disagree to some extent. Many good examples of people bring up poor parts. I did it myself with both legs and traps to the point they became overpowering. Heath with His back is perhaps the best example of all

I doubt Heath made any radical improvements to his back, he just upped the dose and put on size slow and steady.

His back was top-tier pro level in 2006 when he burst on the scene..


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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2016, 11:55:29 AM »
Dallas is maxed. His back ain't going to improve, but he keeps coming in off at the O. Look at the pic posted above, that glazed donut look... maybe it has something to do with his skin but he never looks right.

Look at the weights he's competed at since he turned pro. He's not maxed at 6ft and he was pretty shredded at his first O and should have placed in the top ten. He didn't dial it in last year and looked to be holding some water.  He needs to come in shredded at the Arnold and shut up his "haters". :D

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2016, 12:30:38 PM »
I guess because I know these guys want it now, but I think they will regret it later.

How do you think Greg Kovacs enjoyed the last five years of his life?
I couldnt care less, I didnt know him.

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2016, 01:07:52 PM »
Look at the weights he's competed at since he turned pro. He's not maxed at 6ft and he was pretty shredded at his first O and should have placed in the top ten. He didn't dial it in last year and looked to be holding some water.  He needs to come in shredded at the Arnold and shut up his "haters". :D

Def. missed the mark at this year's Olympia.


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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2016, 02:04:57 PM »
I couldnt care less, I didnt know him.
can you explain to me why americans often say "i could care less" when they mean they couldnt care less ???

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Re: Dallas McCarver 16 Weeks Out From Arnold Classic
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2016, 02:41:14 PM »
can you explain to me why americans often say "i could care less" when they mean they couldnt care less ???

they also say "do the math", when its "do the maths"
they are a strange bunch, they also say to Thai girls "By then" instead of, "theres your $20"