NPC Nationals winners then and now

[Simple Simon]

[musclecenter]

 

[Simple Simon]

Nearly 30 fucking years progress?

[Nether Animal]

Good drugs and hard work vs. Poor work ethic and further reliance on weaker compounds

[Van_Bilderass]

For whatever reason the talent pool is worse these days. That's the main reason for these sub-par physiques winning these days. Drugs, whether crappy or excellent, don't affect muscle attachments for example. Look at Shawn Ray there and compare to the others, Shawn simply has superior genetic shape.

Good drugs and hard work vs. Poor work ethic and further reliance on weaker compounds

The average steroid stack is way stronger today. The milligrams are way higher but the compounds are stronger as well. A gram of tren is nothing crazy today whereas 150mg was a lot, IF they even used it.

[Anonymous]

Looks 10x better than anybody this year

[Simple Simon]

For whatever reason the talent pool is worse these days. That's the main reason for these sub-par physiques winning these days. Drugs, whether crappy or excellent, don't affect muscle attachments for example. Look at Shawn Ray there and compare to the others, Shawn simply has superior genetic shape.

The average steroid stack is way stronger today. The milligrams are way higher but the compounds are stronger as well. A gram of tren is nothing crazy today whereas 150mg was a lot, IF they even used it.

the old parabolon blew the nuts of tren today....

[Van_Bilderass]

the old parabolon blew the nuts of tren today....

I know that's what many think but I simply don't agree for many reasons. But I'm curious why that would be in your opinion? For example, if several analytical labs have confirmed brands like Alpha Pharma have the correct compound as well as dosage, of tren hex, why would it be so much weaker? To me, it's kinda like me saying nothing comes close to original Bayer Aspirin, all these generic salicylic acids sold today are shit, you have to take 10 tabs instead of one to get rid of a headache. Maybe you have some good theory...

The main reason, imo, for the fond memories is age. At 40 a certain steroid will not have the same kick as it did when we were 18.  Everything worked better then, training, food, drugs, everything. For natural reasons.

[Van_Bilderass]

Levrone said a while back that the drugs were better before. But Levrone is old, that's the reason he isn't responding as well now. Simple. Strange that todays drugs seem to be working quite well for Heath and Kai Lol. Great results considering all the tren today is supposedly fake or extremely weak.

[8 INCH not biceps]

Drugs is not the problem the problem is the talent pool is so  low these days just a bunch of dudes with crappy genetics who blew up on drugs, for some reason the guys in the 90s had amazing genetics that we are not seeing today.

[Ronnie Rep]

Drugs is not the problem the problem is the talent pool is so  low these days just a bunch of dudes with crappy genetics who blew up on drugs, for some reason the guys in the 90s had amazing genetics that we are not seeing today.

QFT. Except for very few exceptions.

[trapz101]

maybe those in the better talent pool realized that bodybuilding these days will get you no where...

[8 INCH not biceps]

maybe those in the better talent pool realized that bodybuilding these days will get you no where...

You have a point I think  for the future you will see bodybuilders with shape and great muscle bellies going to classic physique and the guys with crappy genetics built like a fridge completing in bodybuilding, drug use is open these days and everybody knows the kind of hardcore cycle that is required to be a pro and a lot of these guys are not willing to ruin their health to get a pro card that doesnt mean much because only a few pro bodybuilders make money from the sport.

[Simple Simon]

I know that's what many think but I simply don't agree for many reasons. But I'm curious why that would be in your opinion? For example, if several analytical labs have confirmed brands like Alpha Pharma have the correct compound as well as dosage, of tren hex, why would it be so much weaker? To me, it's kinda like me saying nothing comes close to original Bayer Aspirin, all these generic salicylic acids sold today are shit, you have to take 10 tabs instead of one to get rid of a headache. Maybe you have some good theory...

The main reason, imo, for the fond memories is age. At 40 a certain steroid will not have the same kick as it did when we were 18.  Everything worked better then, training, food, drugs, everything. For natural reasons.

I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs

A gram of tren these days?

[Van_Bilderass]

I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs

A gram of tren these days?

I had an extremely negative reaction to the old Parabolan back in '96 or so and it actually scared me off all steroids for a few years. But you don't always get the same reaction at different points in your life. Plus your body and mind can adapt to higher and higher doses over time. Tren still wrecks guys' minds... almost everyone gets increased anxiety and quite a few to the point of panic attacks. Homicidal and suicidal ideation etc Lol... but guys still use it despite all because it works. A few handle it with rec drugs.

[FREAKgeek]

Even though I don't want to admit it, Shawn ray could make any physique look bad.

[Nether Animal]

Not a bad look just not enough size.

[mazrim]

Not a bad look just not enough size.

Yeah, he looks good based on that picture

[illuminati]

I was taking the old parabolan when I was 28, two shots a week was pretty much enough to make you an emotional wreak, that was just over 150mgs

A gram of tren these days?

I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --

my training partner & i  had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats

How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!

It appears there is some difference to the compounds.

We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam

strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..

[Van_Bilderass]

I can remember Dorian saying he couldn't take more than 3 shots of parabolan a week
As his mid - lower back would lock up --

my training partner & i  had the same problem if we did 3 shots a week - 2 fine -
a couple of weeks on 3 and lockup on deadlifts / bent rows / squats

How they are doing a 1000+ mgs of Parabolan equivalent !!!

It appears there is some difference to the compounds.

We were using 2x organon sust - deca -From The Napp Labs and 2x parabolan -- Negam

strong as hell & less than 8% body fat felt like could walk through walls
If only i could get the exact same items now..

Certain side effects do not always increase much with increasing dose. And like I said, you adapt to higher doses over time. A complete beginner would feel like death on 4 grams whereas someone who has been on for 2 decades straight may handle it fine. Some sides like a tight/pumped lower back are affected by where you are in your "prep". Lower back tightness is usually much worse in the off-season/at higher bodyweight. My training partner can't squat or deadlift at all right now due to lower back pumps, can hardly walk 20 feet without painful pumps. But once contest prep starts and weight comes down it will ease up despite increased dosages.

[Parker]

Looks 10x better than anybody this year

Looks better than all the 202-212 guys have ever looked.

[falco]

Back in the day genetics made a difference.

[Simple Simon]

Looks 10x better than anybody this year

186lbs, amazing....

[illuminati]

Certain side effects do not always increase much with increasing dose. And like I said, you adapt to higher doses over time. A complete beginner would feel like death on 4 grams whereas someone who has been on for 2 decades straight may handle it fine. Some sides like a tight/pumped lower back are affected by where you are in your "prep". Lower back tightness is usually much worse in the off-season/at higher bodyweight. My training partner can't squat or deadlift at all right now due to lower back pumps, can hardly walk 20 feet without painful pumps. But once contest prep starts and weight comes down it will ease up despite increased dosages.

Of Course age is a factor.
Not so sure about the Bodyfat- as i was a very lean 95kg & my training partner at the time
a Mr Britain / Europe / universe was never far off condition wise.

After using many different steroids for many years myself  & and with many Different people
in contest prep & off season - There is a difference between Genuine Pharmaceutical steroids
and even the best of the underground lab ones.
Likely down to Purity & Quality Control.

we have to use what is available now and make the most of it.

[US MUSL]