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diabetic's and roids
« on: March 31, 2006, 12:16:42 PM »
Your thoughts on this please ???! This was brought up at another board and I advised against it. But in theory couldn’t they use their own slin to cause anabolic like effects? Or should I just continue smoking crack :-\?

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 01:28:01 PM »
I've had type 1 diabetes for 12 years now, 6 of which I have been serious into bodybuilding. I still haven't done a cycle yet, but am doing the research for it right now. For the 6 years of training I have, I have always used my insulin to my advantage, and have gotten great results from it. Just adding in a shot of Humalog after each workout, and making sure my diet is always spot on. As soon as I started doing this, I could tell an immediate difference in faster recovery time and new growth. Even though I've always been a "natural" competitor, in my opinion, this gave me an "un-natural" advantage. But who knows, maybe just great genetics...

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2006, 08:06:57 PM »
I've had type 1 diabetes for 12 years now, 6 of which I have been serious into bodybuilding. I still haven't done a cycle yet, but am doing the research for it right now. For the 6 years of training I have, I have always used my insulin to my advantage, and have gotten great results from it. Just adding in a shot of Humalog after each workout, and making sure my diet is always spot on. As soon as I started doing this, I could tell an immediate difference in faster recovery time and new growth. Even though I've always been a "natural" competitor, in my opinion, this gave me an "un-natural" advantage. But who knows, maybe just great genetics...

BigSky had asked me before for my opinion on his potential for cycles and I told him I wouldn't advise him due to his diabetes.

I don't know enough about the parameters and potential conflicts that AAS could create in that environment.  It's something I have no experience with.  Too many variables, IMO.




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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 09:11:32 PM »
i'm also type one diabetic and always wondered about roids and being diabetic thats one of the reasons i've never taken anything.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 09:52:05 PM »
just ask a DR. hell tell ya
theres nothing wrong with that.
I know a friend thats diabetic but i dont know which one and he uses roids.
i see him inject insulin almost all the time.
he says his blood suger cant get to low.
i dont know to much about it but ill ask him.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2006, 01:38:45 AM »
Please do,i've wondered if it can mess with your blood suger level,also ketones nto to mention over all effect on a diabetic ,thanks

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2006, 08:22:24 AM »
I'm, diabetic, have been since I was 8, type 1 insulin dependent. I've been using gear on and off for the past 3 or so years with no real problems or issues. I know all doctors advise heavily against it (as they do against taking gear in general) but in the end it's a personal decision, your blood sugars go up slightly, mostly during the start of the cycle, then things seem to balance out.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2006, 10:54:06 AM »
I am type II diabetic. I did one cycle last year.. my colesterol level wento up to roof.. which was really dengerous.. take some colesterol lowering medication while on steriod.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2006, 04:01:28 PM »
I am a type one diabetic and have done two cycles without any problem. I am on the insulin pump so this my situation may be different than some other members but my two cycles of test only, and equipoise and test have been very successfull.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2006, 04:48:14 PM »
i'm type 1 diabetic just started 3rd cycle but first two cycles were short just to be safe

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2006, 09:22:10 PM »
I almost never post in this forum (I don't juice), but this question caught my eye as I was surfing.  You need to be very, very careful if you are a diabetic and thinking about taking anabolics.   Diabetes, by nature of the disease and its effects on lipid metabolism, leads to a predisposition for arteriosclerosis.  Combine this with the increased risk for hypertension and athersclerosis associated with anabolics, you are playing with a big increase in the risk of coronary artery disease. 

Anabolic steroids will also affect blood glucose.... in low doses they tend to lower blood glucose.  In higher doses (like many bodybuilders take), they tend to cause blood glucose to rise, sometimes significantly depending on the drug.  If you are not monitoring yourself closely, this means taking anabolics can cause hyperglycemia.  You will have to adjust your insulin intake if you are insulin dependant.  Done without your doctors guidance, this can lead to hypoglycemia. 

Finally anabolics alter protein, lipid, and carbohydrate metabolism.  Not only that, but typically those on anabolics (or at least the users I know) will consume more calories.  This alone means an adjustment in medication and/or insulin needs. 

As a diabetic, its probably safer if you leave the anabolics alone.  If you are insulin dependant, remember you are already taking a powerful anabolic simply to survive.   Work hard to keep your blood glucose levels in control and reap the rewards of what you have to take to stay alive. 

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2006, 02:16:51 PM »
I don't know enough about the parameters and potential conflicts that AAS could create in that environment.  It's something I have no experience with.  Too many variables, IMO.


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^ Agree.  Vet has also posted a nice response to this question.  Insulin-dependent diabetes is a very serious condition.  My friends who are on insulin for diabetes and who work out clearly have benefitted from the insulin alone in terms of gaining size, etc, without roids.  Leave it alone, brothers.









And just a word to Captain Equipoise.  In the grand scheme of things, 3 years is not a long time.

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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 07:52:44 PM »
I almost never post in this forum (I don't juice), but this question caught my eye as I was surfing.  You need to be very, very careful if you are a diabetic and thinking about taking anabolics.   Diabetes, by nature of the disease and its effects on lipid metabolism, leads to a predisposition for arteriosclerosis.  Combine this with the increased risk for hypertension and athersclerosis associated with anabolics, you are playing with a big increase in the risk of coronary artery disease. 

Anabolic steroids will also affect blood glucose.... in low doses they tend to lower blood glucose.  In higher doses (like many bodybuilders take), they tend to cause blood glucose to rise, sometimes significantly depending on the drug.  If you are not monitoring yourself closely, this means taking anabolics can cause hyperglycemia.  You will have to adjust your insulin intake if you are insulin dependant.  Done without your doctors guidance, this can lead to hypoglycemia. 

Finally anabolics alter protein, lipid, and carbohydrate metabolism.  Not only that, but typically those on anabolics (or at least the users I know) will consume more calories.  This alone means an adjustment in medication and/or insulin needs. 

As a diabetic, its probably safer if you leave the anabolics alone.  If you are insulin dependant, remember you are already taking a powerful anabolic simply to survive.   Work hard to keep your blood glucose levels in control and reap the rewards of what you have to take to stay alive. 

JK

^This is exactly why I don't advise diabetics on AAS.




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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2006, 11:21:50 PM »
I'm 37 and have been type 1 diabetic since age 2.  If I don't plan on taking any form of gear, except my insulin in a normal way, would you think it's safe to just plan on taking a normal dose (say 5 or 6 units), with my protein shake and carbs after my workout?  I've never taken a shot after a workout before, and never understood the significance of it until recently.  It would explain why I don't grow even though I workout like a BB.  Other gear scares the crap out of me, and I have no plans to use anything but my insulin, which keeps me alive.  If I weren't diabetic, I'd be a natural for sure.  Oh, my lipid profile is almost ideal.   At last test, 5 months ago, LDL=66, HDL=39, Triglycerides=58.  That's a total cholesterol of only 105.  I'll bet if I checked it now though, it would be even better.  (Been working hard on increasing good cholesterol.)

Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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Re: diabetic's and roids
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 11:56:11 PM »
And just a word to Captain Equipoise.  In the grand scheme of things, 3 years is not a long time.

I never claimed it was, or that I was a medical expert, I just posted my history with diabetes and gear. I researched gear (and possible interactions with diabetes) for about 4 years before I ever touched a cycle, and that includes talking to several doctors and specialists (endocrinologists) as well as people who have used steroids while having diabetes (on message boards) I check my sugars everyday and I don't believe in megadosing (ie. 3,000-4,000mg's of test a week) so for now I'm doing alright, I also take ancilaries for blood pressure, estrogen and cholesterol. Thankfully my doctor is completely fine with me using, he's on top of my blood work and chem. analysis.