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El_Torro

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Re: Could it get any worse for liberals.... lol
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 11:42:11 PM »
Thats why they call it "climate change" now instead of global warming

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 12:32:13 AM »
The thing is, global warming creates extreme weather patterns whether cold or hot. More big storms, tornados, hurricanes etc. The overall temperature of the Earth on average will warm. This article actually makes your comment look quite ignorant. Just sayin.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 01:17:11 AM »
Man made global warming is BS and only sheep cretins who do as they re told by government believe it.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 01:24:00 AM »
Man made global warming is BS and only sheep cretins who do as they re told by government believe it.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 02:13:35 AM »
The thing is, global warming creates extreme weather patterns whether cold or hot. More big storms, tornados, hurricanes etc. The overall temperature of the Earth on average will warm. This article actually makes your comment look quite ignorant. Just sayin.

Do you even realize how moronic and brainwashed you sound?

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 02:23:55 AM »
Do you even realize how moronic and brainwashed you sound?

Haha. Sorry you can't comprehend. Weather systems have been changing. Wake up. Let me guess, you watch a lot of you-tube?

El_Torro

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2016, 02:30:26 AM »
Haha. Sorry you can't comprehend. Weather systems have been changing. Wake up. Let me guess, you watch a lot of you-tube?

Oh i see, sorry for my ignorance.... so this weather systems changing... is this a new phenomenon?

Jizmonkey

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2016, 02:33:23 AM »
Oh i see, sorry for my ignorance.... so this weather systems changing... is this a new phenomenon?

Ok weather "patterns". Better?

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2016, 02:57:14 AM »
Ok weather "patterns". Better?

I dont know... is it better? Im the ignorant one here.  So its weather "patterns" that have never changed in the history of the earth until now. 
Just keep changing the terminology until it fits your narrative.  Irony is you are engaging in exactly what i was saying originally that its no longer called "global warming" for a reason.  When your argument falls apart even under the most basic common sense analysis and real world reality... you just change the terminology to fit your beliefs.

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 03:23:16 AM »
:)


http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/11/30/climatologist-dr-roger-pielke-sr-i-cannot-recall-last-time-i-have-seen-such-a-cold-anomaly-forecast-across-almost-entire-usa/

Another classic coach post.

Coach doesn't understand statistics, so he thinks that a single instance of record cold disproves "global warming"

Well Coach, what does it prove, then?  "global cooling"? ::)

It proves nothing.  You don't draw conclusions from single instances. 

If I toss a coin 10 times, there will be times when I get 10 heads in a row.  That doesn't mean anything over the long run.  It doesn't mean that heads tosses are happening more.  The average is what we are looking at.

For some reason, stupid people are completely unable to understand averages and things like the bell curve.  Any mention of an anomalous event and they are convinced against whatever it is they do not want to believe.

Anybody who nods their head with his loon really doesn't "get" what the concept of climate change is about.  It is about the world and a long period of time.  It isn't about today, tomorrow or even one single season.  It is about the average temperature on earth.  The temperature in America being at a record low for a little while is a drop in the ocean to the entire world over a long period.  We hit record lows and highs often - we haven't been collecting data for very long.

And I'm not going to argue "for" climate change, here - I'm arguing against reading news like that and extrapolating the wrong conclusion.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2016, 04:40:33 AM »
Rocket, in your coin toss example, the problem is that the sample size isn't big enough for the probabilities to play out.

Don't the Climate Change advocates do the same thing when they talk about "record temperatures" as though it's something significant when they've only been keeping records for a 100 years, and the planet is two billion years old?

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2016, 04:47:08 AM »
Imbecile

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but WikiLeaks did leak some compromising emails regarding global warming from the University of East Anglia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
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The Climatic Research Unit email controversy (also known as "Climategate")[2][3] began in November 2009 with the hacking of a server at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) by an external attacker,[4][5] copying thousands of emails and computer files, the Climatic Research Unit documents, to various internet locations several weeks before the Copenhagen Summit on climate change.

The story was first broken by climate change critics[6] with columnist James Delingpole popularising the term "Climategate" to describe the controversy.[7] Several people considered climate change "skeptics" argued that the emails showed global warming was a scientific conspiracy, that scientists manipulated climate data and attempted to suppress critics.[8][9] The CRU rejected this, saying the emails had been taken out of context and merely reflected an honest exchange of ideas.[10][11]

Now, obviously this isn't definitive proof. But it doesn't look good either.


WannaBePro

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2016, 04:57:50 AM »
gotta love arm chair neocon jesus loving scientists like coach who confuse weather with climate.


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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2016, 05:41:47 AM »
Rocket, in your coin toss example, the problem is that the sample size isn't big enough for the probabilities to play out.

Don't the Climate Change advocates do the same thing when they talk about "record temperatures" as though it's something significant when they've only been keeping records for a 100 years, and the planet is two billion years old?

Exactly, the coin toss where you get 10 heads in a row doesn't disprove that the average toss will be about 50/50.  It just proves that interesting things can and will happen.

I believe they mostly talk about record averages and generally across the earth over time - but that is moot.  It can definitely be attributed to variance, too.  It can always be attributed to variance by someone looking to discredit.

And attributing it to variance is a valid point - as opposed to finding out it is going to be cold tomorrow ::)

The general argument is something like this:

The earth has been getting hotter (average temp over the globe) since we started pumping.

Vs

Sometimes the earth goes through hotter periods.

Is it a coincidence or not? 

If you're a denier, you go with the coincidence. 

If you're balanced and intelligent enough to understand statistics, you might ask the question "How likely is it that we are going through a natural hotter period?"

If you're into science, you probably trust that that type of question has been posed and found to be statistically unlikely by looking at various factors.

And if it is statistically unlikely that it is just naturally hotter, aren't we essentially fucking idiots for putting our heads in the sand and ignoring it? 

That's the problem.  What we are being told is that it is statistically unlikely that the very true fact that earth has been getting hotter (on average). 

Our choice is simple.  Hope that it doesn't have something to do with us or pro-actively seek to ensure that it doesn't have something to do with us.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2016, 05:59:24 AM »
The thing is, global warming creates extreme weather patterns whether cold or hot. More big storms, tornados, hurricanes etc. The overall temperature of the Earth on average will warm. This article actually makes your comment look quite ignorant. Just sayin.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2016, 07:23:07 AM »
gotta love arm chair neocon jesus loving scientists like coach who confuse weather with climate.

The HuffPost presidential forecast model gives Democrat Hillary Clinton a 98.2 percent chance of winning the presidency. Republican Donald Trump has essentially no path to an Electoral College victory.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5821074ce4b0e80b02cc2a94/amp

Hope this helps


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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2016, 07:49:48 AM »
The HuffPost presidential forecast model gives Democrat Hillary Clinton a 98.2 percent chance of winning the presidency. Republican Donald Trump has essentially no path to an Electoral College victory.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5821074ce4b0e80b02cc2a94/amp

Hope this helps

not sure what u mean, im excited about a trump presidency as long as he doesnt go all "christian" on issues

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Re: Could it get any worse for liberals.... lol
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2016, 08:08:00 AM »
Do you even realize how moronic and brainwashed you sound?

weather and climate are different, do you understand the difference? each year on avg has been hotter than the last over the last decade. A cold front in the US doesn't negate a drought/heatwave in australia.

To deny the globe is heating up rapidly is idiotic and only serves to worsen the damage.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2016, 08:11:17 AM »
Rocket, in your coin toss example, the problem is that the sample size isn't big enough for the probabilities to play out.

Don't the Climate Change advocates do the same thing when they talk about "record temperatures" as though it's something significant when they've only been keeping records for a 100 years, and the planet is two billion years old?

We know the sources of climate change, ice cores, trees provide long term data. Nothing is unaccounted for, down to the solar output. If the sun's output was to reduce we would have less heat.

If you think it's only 100 years worth of data you are being foolish. They also make predictions like the oscillation of the polar vortex which we are currently seeing, which was predicted 20 years ago. It is cooling northern latitudes but warming extreme northen latitudes, hence glacial recession but colder weather. Overall, it's warming.

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2016, 08:13:33 AM »
Exactly, the coin toss where you get 10 heads in a row doesn't disprove that the average toss will be about 50/50.  It just proves that interesting things can and will happen.

I believe they mostly talk about record averages and generally across the earth over time - but that is moot.  It can definitely be attributed to variance, too.  It can always be attributed to variance by someone looking to discredit.

And attributing it to variance is a valid point - as opposed to finding out it is going to be cold tomorrow ::)

The general argument is something like this:

The earth has been getting hotter (average temp over the globe) since we started pumping.

Vs

Sometimes the earth goes through hotter periods.

Is it a coincidence or not? 

If you're a denier, you go with the coincidence. 

If you're balanced and intelligent enough to understand statistics, you might ask the question "How likely is it that we are going through a natural hotter period?"

If you're into science, you probably trust that that type of question has been posed and found to be statistically unlikely by looking at various factors.

And if it is statistically unlikely that it is just naturally hotter, aren't we essentially fucking idiots for putting our heads in the sand and ignoring it? 

That's the problem.  What we are being told is that it is statistically unlikely that the very true fact that earth has been getting hotter (on average). 

Our choice is simple.  Hope that it doesn't have something to do with us or pro-actively seek to ensure that it doesn't have something to do with us.


I think you may need some stats in your life, variance is accounted for, when you receive a value within an alpha range of .01/.05 you are near certain that it's not due to chance, the chances would be 1-5%, keep repeating and you can confirm your finding, this is how medicine works. You will never have exact causation, correlations are all causation is, just a very strong type.

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Re: Could it get any worse for liberals.... lol
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2016, 08:14:44 AM »
The main reason the liberals perspective is so hard to believe on the issue for me is they stand to gain so much wealth by pushing this while the rest of the nation is losing.  Reference Al Gores substantial gain in net worth since his big global warming push back in late 90s

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2016, 08:16:19 AM »
weather and climate are different, do you understand the difference? each year on avg has been hotter than the last over the last decade. A cold front in the US doesn't negate a drought/heatwave in australia.

To deny the globe is heating up rapidly is idiotic and only serves to worsen the damage.

NASA as well as NOAA caught fudging/fabricating climate data to make it look like the earth is heating up.

http://principia-scientific.org/nasa-exposed-in-massive-new-climate-data-fraud/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html