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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7025 on: October 07, 2024, 12:56:55 PM »
Is the reason you are doing better today because of yourself and your own choices/planning or because of who is sitting in the White House?

I did very well under Obama (I am excluding Bush Jr because I had not entered the workforce then), did better under Trump and have been doing even better under Biden.  But that is by my own design.  The POTUS doesn't get credit for my choices and financial planning.  By the same token, if I were doing worse then it would basically be my own fault.

I'm doing better because I'm really good at what I do.  But a substantial number of people in the working class, including those on fixed incomes, are a lot more tied to inflation.  And inflation is directly related to who occupies the White House.  So no, I don't blame all of those people for making poor choices.  That's absurd.

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« Reply #7026 on: October 07, 2024, 12:58:44 PM »
I don't believe I said, 'everyone is doing fine.' It is impossible for me or anyone else to know this. My circle of friends and family is considerable, and they also represent various income levels, including a few who would be considered low-income. What believe is that the media sometimes misrepresents different issues, which can result in giving folks the impression some things are worse or better than they are depending on what sells.

No one who is talking about how bad inflation has harmed Americans is giving a false impression of just how bad things are.  It actually is that bad. 

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« Reply #7027 on: October 07, 2024, 01:00:43 PM »
Exactly.  I am largely unaffected as well.  But, regardless, I'm seeing restaurants in the town next to me moving because they have increased crime due to being next to a refugee hotel, I'm seeing tensions rise which could draw us directly into a global conflict, I'm seeing significant cost increases in food and fuel.  I'm concerned about lawfare, gov't suppression of individual, and big tech manipulating folks, and social media ruining our minds.

So while I'm ok, the potential is for things to get much worse.

Harris has literally shown NOTHING that would sway me that she has the ability to fix any of this.  In fact, it's the opposite.

I agree.  Speaking of restaurants, California isn't the only place that is hemorrhaging.  We have lost a lot of large and small restaurants in Hawaii the past four years, some that have been operating for 50 or 60 years. 

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« Reply #7028 on: October 07, 2024, 01:22:12 PM »
I'm doing better because I'm really good at what I do.  But a substantial number of people in the working class, including those on fixed incomes, are a lot more tied to inflation.  And inflation is directly related to who occupies the White House.  So no, I don't blame all of those people for making poor choices.  That's absurd.

True inflation, yes.  But this is not true inflation, this is corporate greed.

So by the same standard, the people that were doing better under the Trump years, really had Obama to thank for it.

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« Reply #7029 on: October 07, 2024, 01:55:51 PM »
No one who is talking about how bad inflation has harmed Americans is giving a false impression of just how bad things are.  It actually is that bad.

And how do you in fact know this?

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7030 on: October 07, 2024, 01:57:12 PM »
And how do you in fact know this?


And how do you , him or I know anything ??

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7031 on: October 07, 2024, 01:59:15 PM »
True inflation, yes.  But this is not true inflation, this is corporate greed.

So by the same standard, the people that were doing better under the Trump years, really had Obama to thank for it.

No I don't accept that talking point.  We are in this mess because the people in DC keep printing and spending money.  Too many dollars chasing too few goods.  That's why the price of everything has gone up.  There isn't some conspiracy among all businesses, large and small, to artificially raise prices.  Businesses typically raise prices when either the government increases the cost of doing business or there is a lack of competition. 

The people doing better under Trump have Trump to thank for reducing the corporate tax rate, cutting government regulations, and reducing taxes for every tax bracket.  Obama had nothing to do with any of that. 

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« Reply #7032 on: October 07, 2024, 02:01:01 PM »
And how do you in fact know this?

Seriously?  Because I'm not blind and can see the increased cost of everything.  And wages have not kept up with inflation.  This is a nationwide problem.  Except for you and your circle of friends. 

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« Reply #7033 on: October 07, 2024, 02:39:51 PM »
Seriously?  Because I'm not blind and can see the increased cost of everything.  And wages have not kept up with inflation.  This is a nationwide problem.  Except for you and your circle of friends.


As we've seen umpteen times with Prime - he's totally unable to think rationaly & Believes he is always
100% correct - He will never admit he is wrong - Hell just look at the China Virus charade & what they
Had him doing , acting like a Clown 🤡  - They had his pants down good & proper.

Yet he vehemently sticks to it was all Truth & Facts even in the Light & Evidence that it wasn't
& he was Fooled.

He isn't going to conceade you're clearly spot on correct.

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« Reply #7034 on: October 07, 2024, 02:56:27 PM »
Seriously?  Because I'm not blind and can see the increased cost of everything.  And wages have not kept up with inflation.  This is a nationwide problem.  Except for you and your circle of friends.

You see what you want to see. Perspective is everything.

By many measures, the U.S. consumer remains in good shape today. Most people who want a job, have one. Wages are finally outpacing inflation. In 2023, the stock market rebounded from a brutal bear market in the prior year, bolstering the retirement and investment accounts of millions of Americans. Unfortunately, my income is primarily based on a couple of guaranteed annuities and Social Security that have limited COLAs and a few small investments.

The GDP continues to expand, and unemployment is at a five-decade low.

A recent analysis from the Treasury found that Americans in 2023 could not only afford the same goods and services they did in 2019, but they also have an extra $1,000 on hand to save or spend, because median earnings have increased faster than prices.

On the negative side, the housing market coupled with high interest rates are a major concern for a lot folks. I bought my first house in the early 70's for $13,000. Today, according to Trulia, that house is valued at $561,900. Before interest rates skyrocketed, the estimated value was closer to $700,000. If I were to buy my current home today at market value with a standard down payment for repeat buyers of 20%, I could not afford it. In the past 25 years the price of my house has increased 400%. The high cost of housing affects renters maybe worse than it does buyers. My grandson rented a 3-bedroom townhouse apartment near me a short while back for over $3,000 a month. Not long ago, those apartments were under $1,000.

I am an octogenarian who came of age in the early 60's when America was experiencing a period of sustained economic growth, rising real wages, and low unemployment. It is easy to wistfully look back at these ‘good old times’ as compared to today's economy.  In fact, what is considered 'the Golden Age of Capitalism' was from the end of the Second World War in 1945 to the early 1970s. I was born in 1944 right before the onset this country's best economy.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7035 on: October 07, 2024, 02:59:10 PM »
You see what you want to see. Perspective is everything.

By many measures, the U.S. consumer remains in good shape today. Most people who want a job, have one. Wages are finally outpacing inflation. In 2023, the stock market rebounded from a brutal bear market in the prior year, bolstering the retirement and investment accounts of millions of Americans. Unfortunately, my income is primarily based on a couple of guaranteed annuities and Social Security that have limited COLAs and a few small investments.

The GDP continues to expand, and unemployment is at a five-decade low.

A recent analysis from the Treasury found that Americans in 2023 could not only afford the same goods and services they did in 2019, but they also have an extra $1,000 on hand to save or spend, because median earnings have increased faster than prices.

On the negative side, the housing market coupled with high interest rates are a major concern for a lot folks. I bought my first house in the early 70's for $13,000. Today, according to Trulia, that house is valued at $561,900. Before interest rates skyrocketed, the estimated value was closer to $700,000. If I were to buy my current home today at market value with a standard down payment for repeat buyers of 20%, I could not afford it. In the past 25 years the price of my house has increased 400%. The high cost of housing affects renters maybe worse than it does buyers. My grandson rented a 3-bedroom townhouse apartment near me a short while back for over $3,000 a month. Not long ago, those apartments were under $1,000.

I am an octogenarian who came of age in the early 60's when America was experiencing a period of sustained economic growth, rising real wages, and low unemployment. It is easy to wistfully look back at these ‘good old times’ as compared to today's economy.  In fact, what is considered 'the Golden Age of Capitalism' was from the end of the Second World War in 1945 to the early 1970s. I was born in 1944 right before the onset this country's best economy.

I see what is in front of me:  everything is more expensive today than four years ago.  The cost of food, housing, gas, clothes, home improvement, etc. has skyrocketed.  I'm sure you see it too, but that TDS can't bring you to actually accept that it is hurting millions of Americans.

Your historical experiences don't change the current facts. 

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7036 on: October 07, 2024, 03:01:37 PM »

As we've seen umpteen times with Prime - he's totally unable to think rationaly & Believes he is always
100% correct - He will never admit he is wrong - Hell just look at the China Virus charade & what they
Had him doing , acting like a Clown 🤡  - They had his pants down good & proper.

Yet he vehemently sticks to it was all Truth & Facts even in the Light & Evidence that it wasn't
& he was Fooled.

He isn't going to conceade you're clearly spot on correct.

I don't really need him to concede.  It's just a discussion.  Even though he's clearly wrong.  lol

Most people, him included, rarely acknowledge that their firmly held beliefs are wrong, particularly in the middle of a discussion. 

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7037 on: October 07, 2024, 03:30:21 PM »
You see what you want to see. Perspective is everything.

By many measures, the U.S. consumer remains in good shape today. Most people who want a job, have one. Wages are finally outpacing inflation. In 2023, the stock market rebounded from a brutal bear market in the prior year, bolstering the retirement and investment accounts of millions of Americans. Unfortunately, my income is primarily based on a couple of guaranteed annuities and Social Security that have limited COLAs and a few small investments.

The GDP continues to expand, and unemployment is at a five-decade low.

A recent analysis from the Treasury found that Americans in 2023 could not only afford the same goods and services they did in 2019, but they also have an extra $1,000 on hand to save or spend, because median earnings have increased faster than prices.

On the negative side, the housing market coupled with high interest rates are a major concern for a lot folks. I bought my first house in the early 70's for $13,000. Today, according to Trulia, that house is valued at $561,900. Before interest rates skyrocketed, the estimated value was closer to $700,000. If I were to buy my current home today at market value with a standard down payment for repeat buyers of 20%, I could not afford it. In the past 25 years the price of my house has increased 400%. The high cost of housing affects renters maybe worse than it does buyers. My grandson rented a 3-bedroom townhouse apartment near me a short while back for over $3,000 a month. Not long ago, those apartments were under $1,000.

I am an octogenarian who came of age in the early 60's when America was experiencing a period of sustained economic growth, rising real wages, and low unemployment. It is easy to wistfully look back at these ‘good old times’ as compared to today's economy.  In fact, what is considered 'the Golden Age of Capitalism' was from the end of the Second World War in 1945 to the early 1970s. I was born in 1944 right before the onset this country's best economy.


Far to long & likely much waffling- Did not read.

Though 100% guaranteed you won't admit what is slapping you in the face,
or agree with Dos.



The tree elephant in 1943 wasn't as large as the biscuit tin is nowadays- Mike even said so to Pedo Joe
on Kuntmala's lap while feeding from her ample breasts. In fact a 74,3784% increas is only marginaly
More than zero percent.
People need food - only why ? Why can't they all stop eating - then their teeth & shoe's would fit much
Tighter.

Crocodiles should be free to vote at election time only like most animals they're Republican by nature
There's none of that wishy washy stupidity leftist crap with them.
That's why Pedo Joe & Kuntmala won't go near them , there's no free hand outs for them or Lions & tigers
They'd rather give billions to corrupt Zelensky,  Than help out they're own.
1929 or was 1352 that the great purse maker Pig's Ear was heard to say Today is the 1st day of the rest of
Your life - well not if you happen to die that day !!

On to matters more serious is black white & white black ? Prime would argue that it is because he can &
Will never admit he is wrong.
I won't hear a word said against him posting boringly long & Stupid Pathetic posts, They are all works of
An intellectual & Exert on Fuck all Genius 🤡
Back to is Black white & White black - it so happened on this day in long forgotten times that Dillian Whyte
Fought Lucas Brown in a pugilistic encounter, Now Whyte was In Fact Black & Brown was in fact White ,
Confused you will be if your not listening carefully & taking notes.

As for inflation I find 32psi in front tyres & 36psi in rear tyres is the best combination to stop the
Immigrants at the southern boarder that or some fucking huge machine guns 😄👍🏻
Only of course the Pussy Feely emotional Loony Leftist Liberals would be screaming & up,in arms
About that - Simple solution shoot all of them as well.
Problem is solved.

Born in 857 & raised in NY City Oliver has seen it all , well actually  he hasn't he's as Blind as a Bat.
Never let him drive your car as he hasn't a driving license as he says they're to expensive,
Let alone the depth of the water in the harbour & his bath room .
Carbon footprint print should be Fucking huge - I recall when there was outcry at cutting down the rainforest
For making paper bags etc & we were all given plastic bags for free to save the planet - Now they don't want
You having plastic bags as its bad for the planet so they want you to have paper bags - Fuck the Rainforest
& the planet now. 😂🤣😂

To be continued for Prime .The intellectual & Top opinion based responder
Always right & never wrong - Since AD 27

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7038 on: October 07, 2024, 03:35:14 PM »
I don't really need him to concede.  It's just a discussion.  Even though he's clearly wrong.  lol

Most people, him included, rarely acknowledge that their firmly held beliefs are wrong, particularly in the middle of a discussion.

A honest & decent proper man would faced with irrefutable & insurmountable evidence.

Oh no - Not Prime.


It burns me no end to admit I was Fooled & listened to MSM & I voted for Boris Johnson
Bye Fuck was I wrong & Had over by them Khvnts.
I don't like it one bit - only I was Fooled & wrong.  🤬🤬🤬

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« Reply #7039 on: October 07, 2024, 04:05:21 PM »
I don't really need him to concede.  It's just a discussion.  Even though he's clearly wrong.  lol

Most people, him included, rarely acknowledge that their firmly held beliefs are wrong, particularly in the middle of a discussion.

Let me add that when people disagree about something, it does not mean that one of them is wrong. The world is not all black or all white, but a full spectrum colors and shades.
I agree with  you, in that neither of us needs to concede or win this discussion.

Illuminati’s response says otherwise. When someone does not agree with him about anything they are wrong, and he is right. For example, we both survived COVID even though how we dealt with it was completely opposite

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7040 on: October 07, 2024, 04:12:32 PM »
Let me add that when people disagree about something, it does not mean that one of them is wrong. The world is not all black or all white, but a full spectrum colors and shades.
I agree with  you, in that neither of us needs to concede or win this discussion.

Illuminati’s response says otherwise. When someone does not agree with him about anything they are wrong, and he is right. For example, we both survived COVID even though how we dealt with it was completely opposite


Thats because when its you arguing with me You are Wrong simple as that.

As For the China Virus Bollocks you were completely Wrong & Taken for a Fool doing how many
Stupid things ?? 
Want to debate it do you ??

You're wrong yet again - I didn't Deal with it , I Carried on living my normal life no adjustments
Just like I'm living now with lots of Flu / China virus about .

It was you that altered your life to deal with a Hoax you fell for. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US.

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« Reply #7041 on: October 07, 2024, 04:14:34 PM »
A honest & decent proper man would faced with irrefutable & insurmountable evidence.

Oh no - Not Prime.


It burns me no end to admit I was Fooled & listened to MSM & I voted for Boris Johnson
Bye Fuck was I wrong & Had over by them Khvnts.
I don't like it one bit - only I was Fooled & wrong.  🤬🤬🤬


PRIME READ THE ABOVE - I CAN & DO ADMIT WHEN IM WRONG.
AND DID SO OFF MY OWN ACCORD.

UNLIKE YOU EVER ADMIT / SAY YOU'RE WRONG.  ::)

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« Reply #7042 on: October 07, 2024, 04:43:23 PM »

PRIME READ THE ABOVE - I CAN & DO ADMIT WHEN IM WRONG.
AND DID SO OFF MY OWN ACCORD.

UNLIKE YOU EVER ADMIT / SAY YOU'RE WRONG.  ::)

I once supported Oregon Governor John Kitzhaber. After almost serving four terms in office, he and his girlfriend screwed up bad and he ended up having to resign from office. What a shame and what a letdown, he was really well liked for a long time until he wasn't. Apparently, I, like the majority of voters in Oregon, were wrong about him. Live and learn.

Years ago, I had the option of 'bumping' another employee where I worked because I had seniority. Had I done so, he would have been out of a job which I didn't want to be responsible for. Less than a year later, he quit, and I no longer had the option of bumping into that position. My mistake cost me tens of thousands of dollars in wages over the next several years, not to forget that it also impacted my retirement benefits negativity. So, it continues costing me today. Not to worry though, I did not and am not beating myself up about it. I accept that mistake.

Without going into the details, I shared personal information about myself on Getbig which was convoluted and later lied about. There are still folks here who use it as a weapon to attack me personally… maybe because they think it is funny or maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. This was a mistake, I cannot fix.

I think with my admissions  we are more than even now. What say you?
 


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« Reply #7043 on: October 07, 2024, 05:35:51 PM »
I once supported Oregon Governor John Kitzhaber. After almost serving four terms in office, he and his girlfriend screwed up bad and he ended up having to resign from office. What a shame and what a letdown, he was really well liked for a long time until he wasn't. Apparently, I, like the majority of voters in Oregon, were wrong about him. Live and learn.

Years ago, I had the option of 'bumping' another employee where I worked because I had seniority. Had I done so, he would have been out of a job which I didn't want to be responsible for. Less than a year later, he quit, and I no longer had the option of bumping into that position. My mistake cost me tens of thousands of dollars in wages over the next several years, not to forget that it also impacted my retirement benefits negativity. So, it continues costing me today. Not to worry though, I did not and am not beating myself up about it. I accept that mistake.

Without going into the details, I shared personal information about myself on Getbig which was convoluted and later lied about. There are still folks here who use it as a weapon to attack me personally… maybe because they think it is funny or maybe it makes them feel better about themselves. This was a mistake, I cannot fix.

I think with my admissions  we are more than even now. What say you?


Hey Excellent 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thats a good start I'll give you that, Now just carry that level of Honesty & Truth forwards
When posting & replying & I won't have to Smack you with Truth bombs to get you to
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« Reply #7044 on: October 07, 2024, 06:51:44 PM »
Let me add that when people disagree about something, it does not mean that one of them is wrong. The world is not all black or all white, but a full spectrum colors and shades.
I agree with  you, in that neither of us needs to concede or win this discussion.

Illuminati’s response says otherwise. When someone does not agree with him about anything they are wrong, and he is right. For example, we both survived COVID even though how we dealt with it was completely opposite

Yes there is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  I understand what Illuminati is saying, because inflation, the dramatic increased of goods and services, and the adverse impact it has had on millions of Americans is not a gray area. 

Similarly, there was a lot of gray area surrounding Covid, but there is now a lot of black and white.  We know masks don't work.  We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of the virus.  We know natural immunity is still a thing.  We know the vaccine mandates were anti-science and anti-liberty.  We know the lock downs were anti-science, etc., etc. 

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« Reply #7045 on: October 07, 2024, 07:23:40 PM »
Yes there is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  I understand what Illuminati is saying, because inflation, the dramatic increased of goods and services, and the adverse impact it has had on millions of Americans is not a gray area. 

Similarly, there was a lot of gray area surrounding Covid, but there is now a lot of black and white.  We know masks don't work.  We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of the virus.  We know natural immunity is still a thing.  We know the vaccine mandates were anti-science and anti-liberty.  We know the lock downs were anti-science, etc., etc.

The Democratic cuckolds are more interested in what has fast become a term of measurement, that is "shades of gray".   The closer you are in support ithe other side of this coin the more gray you become.  The more Democrats will openly accept your deviances and embrace  Participation Award for Divershitty. 

Foul creatues all of them.


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« Reply #7046 on: October 07, 2024, 08:06:03 PM »
Yes there is a lot of gray, but there is also a lot of black and white.  I understand what Illuminati is saying, because inflation, the dramatic increased of goods and services, and the adverse impact it has had on millions of Americans is not a gray area. 

Similarly, there was a lot of gray area surrounding Covid, but there is now a lot of black and white.  We know masks don't work.  We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of the virus.  We know natural immunity is still a thing.  We know the vaccine mandates were anti-science and anti-liberty.  We know the lock downs were anti-science, etc., etc.


Thank you - Its not hard or difficult to understand what I said .
Well only if someone chooses it to be.

Your break down of both points is spot on.
There's no I'm right you're wrong They're Facts plain & simple only an Idiot
or someone being deliberately obtuse would say otherwise.

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« Reply #7047 on: October 07, 2024, 08:14:57 PM »
The Democratic cuckolds are more interested in what has fast become a term of measurement, that is "shades of gray".   The closer you are in support ithe other side of this coin the more gray you become.  The more Democrats will openly accept your deviances and embrace  Participation Award for Divershitty. 

Foul creatues all of them.

Seems like they can't & won't handle Truths & Facts when Slapping them in the face
& just revert to nonsense talk & being deliberately obtuse just for the hell of it.

Just have to look at the Facts out in the open about the China Virus & The Nonsense
They had idiots believing & doing.
Yet some are still arguing it was Truth & Necessary FFS 😂🤣😂🤣
You'd think they'd of learnt when in a whole stop digging.

I've offered Prime & Agnostic007 to openly & honestly debate what they did & why
& how they look back at their behaviour & think ahhh yes we weren't taken for fools
Neither have taken me up on it.

Hell unbelievably Agnostic007 wanted the likes of Me dead because I wouldn't wear
A Fuck Ridiculously silly Face Nappy & Thats an ex cop of some rank.
Unfucking Believeable !!

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #7048 on: October 08, 2024, 07:37:14 AM »
Who knew you were so youthful. I am guessing you are not yet 40 years old based on what you explained above.

I turn 40 next month.  November 12th.  Start shopping now.  LOL!

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« Reply #7049 on: October 08, 2024, 07:43:37 AM »
No I don't accept that talking point.  We are in this mess because the people in DC keep printing and spending money.  Too many dollars chasing too few goods.  That's why the price of everything has gone up.  There isn't some conspiracy among all businesses, large and small, to artificially raise prices.  Businesses typically raise prices when either the government increases the cost of doing business or there is a lack of competition. 

The people doing better under Trump have Trump to thank for reducing the corporate tax rate, cutting government regulations, and reducing taxes for every tax bracket.  Obama had nothing to do with any of that.

You realize the first two years of Trump's administration was still Obama policies.

Yes, you have a point in regard to too many dollars chasing too few goods.  But that applies to things like the housing market.  But the people affected by this are not the lower class and (guessing) half of the middle class.  Housing prices is up with new home owners down because of the interest rates.  It is these interest rates that are making many potential home owners miss out because if the interest rate is over a certain percent, lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will not finance the purchase.  It's not exactly the prices that are affecting new home ownership right now, it's the financing approval aspect. 

Also, regarding milk, eggs, etc.. there is no reason they have gone except for corporations to line their pockets with higher profits.  Why do you think grocery entities are posting record high profits now?  That is not true inflation.  That is price gouging.