Lee Haney had the right approach!

[Go 4 It]

"Since I decrease my activity level in the off-season compared to contest training, there's no need to consume many calories. My caloric intake before a show is 800-1,000 calories higher than off-season It comes to 3,500 off-season, 4,500 pre contest." -Lee Haney

Makes a lot of sense to me, not sure what happened, but the new tactic of increasing the cals off season and then dieting into the show seems counterintuitive. Just think about it...

[Royalty]

"Since I decrease my DRUG level in the off-season compared to contest training, there's no need to consume many calories. My caloric intake before a show is 800-1,000 calories higher than off-season It comes to 3,500 off-season, 4,500 pre contest." -Lee Haney

Makes a lot of sense to me, not sure what happened, but the new tactic of increasing the cals off season and then dieting into the show seems counterintuitive. Just think about it...

That's the real reason

[8 INCH not biceps]

Lee haney completed at 245 and weighed 260 in the off season so he kept very close to his contest weight and was always in shape, these days you have bodybuilders who complete at 250 and weighs 300 pounds in the off season, I think in this age there is an obsession with 300 pounds, I have gotten obsessed with that weight myself and I am stuffing myself with food to get there you can call it bigorexia I guess.

[Matt]

That's the real reason

LOL.

I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee.  Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.

[8 INCH not biceps]

LOL.

I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee.  Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.

The body does not need as much food as you think most of us eat more than what the body needs, I know 150 pound guys who will eat 6000 calories to get big you are just shitting out your money, I remember when I was eating 6 times daily then I had a week that I was very busy and could only eat 3 times per day I was worried that I was going to lose weight but when I weighed myself I weighed the same.

[Go 4 It]

LOL.

I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee.  Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.

Unreal, he must have been incredibly out of shape, way behind schedule, or metabolically fucked..because that should be the caloric intake for a person that weighs 60 pounds.

[oldschoolfan]

mike mentzer didnt eat much either for contest training  anywere from 700 to 2000 calories per day max,  according to his training journal

[dj181]

Unreal, he must have been incredibly out of shape, way behind schedule, or metabolically fucked..because that should be the caloric intake for a person that weighs 60 pounds.

i ate 800 calories per day for 2 weeks straight and my bodyfat went down from 12% to 7.5% and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat and only 1.5 pounds of muscle in this 2 week period and this was without gear

[Go 4 It]

i ate 800 calories per day for 2 weeks straight and my bodyfat went down from 12% to 7.5% and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat and only 1.5 pounds of muscle in this 2 week period and this was without gear

Once again you my friend must be metabolically fucked, and the reason would most likely be a result from dieting like this.

[dj181]

Once again you my friend must be metabolically fucked, and the reason would most likely be a result from dieting like this.

but if i'm metabolically fucked hows come i'm eating lots of "unclean" food while stayng ripped and dry 

also i've been completely off of gear for over 6 weeks now

[Go 4 It]

but if i'm metabolically fucked hows come i'm eating lots of "unclean" food while stayng ripped and dry 

also i've been completely off of gear for over 6 weeks now

unclean food at 800 calories a day, you must be an enjoyable person to be around.

[The Scott]

Haney was and is, as full of shit and himself as any other drug aided bodybuilder.  Recall the Weider video (more  "commercial" really) where he stated that he didn't "take no stayroids, just good food and Weider supplements".

BS PhD.

[Go 4 It]

Haney was and is, as full of shit and himself as any other drug aided bodybuilder.  Recall the Weider video (more  "commercial" really) where he stated that he didn't "take no stayroids, just good food and Weider supplements".

BS PhD.

Doesn't mean he wasn't smart with his approach to dieting, and how many professional athletes do you know who just flat out admit to taking steroids, it would be career suicide, the only one I can think of is Jose Canseco and that's after MLB banned him.

[The Scott]

Doesn't mean he wasn't smart with his approach to dieting, and how many professional athletes do you know who just flat out admit to taking steroids, it would be career suicide, the only one I can think of is Jose Canseco and that's after MLB banned him.

I suppose one cannot blame him, but he's still a lying sack of shit on that and more than likely on his approach to dieting as well.  Just add more drugs was probably the real "secret".

Nah.  I blame him. 

[Go 4 It]

I suppose one cannot blame him, but he's still a lying sack of shit on that and more than likely on his approach to dieting as well.  Just add more drugs was probably the real "secret".

Nah.  I blame him. 

What would be his motivation to lie?? Lie to the 16 year old aspiring bodybuilder, "look kids, eat less when you're less active, eat more when you're more active" or to troll his fellow competitiors, "hey guys I stay in shape in my offseason and train less, so when I up my training regimine, I also up my calories" why would he lie? Drugs I understand but what benefits does he gain off lying about his diet?

[The Scott]

What would be his motivation to lie?? Lie to the 16 year old aspiring bodybuilder, "look kids, eat less when you're less active, eat more when you're more active" or to troll his fellow competitiors, "hey guys I stay in shape in my offseason and train less, so when I up my training regimine, I also up my calories" why would he lie? Drugs I understand but what benefits does he gain off lying about his diet?

These people are prone to hiding the truth of their "success" because they fear someone will take and use it against them no matter how simplistic it may actually be.

[oldschoolfan]

we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob

[The Scott]

we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob

Yup!  And lord knows I don't need any help getting fat(ter)! 

[oldschoolfan]

Yup!  And lord knows I don't need any help getting fat(ter)! 

u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot  get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism

[Go 4 It]

u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot  get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism

At a competition weight of 248 that's only 18 calories per pound of bodyweight, and off season 13.5 calories per pound of bodyweight at 260, which isn't really high by all means.

[The Scott]

u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot  get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism

I eat a LOT when I want to gain size but I have come to accept that my body fat goes up too. I have been 20% to 24% and feel fine but my waistline looks awful.  I will never have a six pack.  Never.  I just want to look fairly good and be able to move some slightly heavier than normal objects in my dotage. 

Eating that much sucks so I will often drink a few quarts of chocolate milk for the extra calories (approx. 940 per bottle).  My ego gets the better of me, but there are times I will diet down and I look the same, only smaller.  9.7% body fat at 167 lbs.  It was awful.  

And still no six pack...Dammit! 

[The Scott]

At a competition weight of 248 that's only 18 calories per pound of bodyweight, and off season 13.5 calories per pound of bodyweight at 260, which isn't really high by all means.

Which is why it's all drugs for these guys.  Drugs are the difference.  Yes, genetics make a difference too but anyone on dope gets bigger and stronger, quicker and easier.  The whole "eat clean" thing for them is probably whether or not it dropped on the floor and did they up the one second rule to five seconds. 

[dj181]

unclean food at 800 calories a day, you must be an enjoyable person to be around.

 

i did that many years ago and basically all i ate for those 14 days was protein power in water for breakkie and my second meal with chicken breasts

it was almost all protien and pure hell, i remember pumping gas at the gas station and i was sure that i was gonna pass the fuck out

after about 3 days in i was basically in a daze for 10 days and i felt like i smoked a huge bag of weed every damn day lol

[Go 4 It]

Which is why it's all drugs for these guys.  Drugs are the difference.  Yes, genetics make a difference too but anyone on dope gets bigger and stronger, quicker and easier.  The whole "eat clean" thing for them is probably whether or not it dropped on the floor and did they up the one second rule to five seconds. 

Well Phil Heath, competes at around 250 and states his offseason diet is anywhere between 5,000-8,000 cal depending on the day, compare that to Haney's 3,500 cals offseason, just to put some thing in perspective here.

[Go 4 It]

i did that many years ago and basically all i ate for those 14 days was protein power in water for breakkie and my second meal with chicken breasts

it was almost all protien and pure hell, i remember pumping gas at the gas station and i was sure that i was gonna pass the fuck out

after about 3 days in i was basically in a daze for 10 days and i felt like i smoked a huge bag of weed every damn day lol

Exactly the term for that is malnourishment, which will also lead to terrible imbalances in your hormonal environment, which will then lead you to binge, then crash diet, pretty much leaving you with an eating disorder and a dependency on steroids to help your hormones operate normally.