2017 Porsche Panamera 550hp - Perfect Sedan

[light weight baby]

which one of you mma & finance warriors is getting one of these babies?

[ratherbebig]

im too tall and getting too big for that kinda car

[mass243]

If I had money and need for a sedan, I would probably buy this.
One of the best looking sedans out there, no question.

[light weight baby]

the new merc line looks not very inspirational

[Yamcha]

im too tall and getting too big for that kinda car

Also, My head of hair is too full for that kinda car too

[Bevo]

My big arms cramp up from turning the steering wheel

[Skylge]

It's a hatchback, not a sedan.
Same as the Tesla Model S, which I prefer

Thanks to Tesla, the USA is years ahead of German and Japanese car manufacturers (Which pisses them off big time hahaha)

[mass243]

It's a hatchback, not a sedan.
Same as the Tesla Model S, which I prefer

Thanks to Tesla, the USA is years ahead of German and Japanese car manufacturers (Which pisses them off big time hahaha)

   Let's be real here.

Tesla sells few showpieces a year.
Company runs like a North Korean one; massive constant losses and stays afloat only due to massive government handouts. It's ridiculous project to say the least. Cars itself are not suitable for everyday driving and are plagued by poor build quality.

German premium and volks car makers operate with totally different principle. Their target is to develop and build economically feasible hybrid and electric cars. They can't rely on CIA funding. They have the world's best automotive engineers, massive positive cash flow to invest in new technology, world's most efficient logistics chains, globally established brands.

It will be hard to beat Germany in cars.

[manuelsonn]

German premium cars are premium because they dont give a fkc about emission standards- they are to good for  catalytic converters and other such bollocks. They offer instead leather seats and 550 hp (see volkswagen case).

[light weight baby]

German premium cars are premium because they dont give a fkc about emission standards- they are to good for  catalytic converters and other such bollocks. They offer instead leather seats and 550 hp (see volkswagen case).

"some call it madness, we call it courage"

[bigbobs]

It's a hatchback, not a sedan.
Thanks to Tesla, the USA is years ahead of German and Japanese car manufacturers (Which pisses them off big time hahaha)

ahead in which measure?  not that I disagree, I'm biased towards Murica cars too, but more so the non-electric type, like CTS-V.

[Bevo]

It's a hatchback, not a sedan.
Same as the Tesla Model S, which I prefer

Thanks to Tesla, the USA is years ahead of German and Japanese car manufacturers (Which pisses them off big time hahaha)

Haha Germans are superior to US cars, who gives a fuck when wealthy people buy Porsche, Mercedes, BMW's, rolls, and Bentley which Germans own

Tesla will get surpassed when Germans feel like the time is right, don't make me laugh

[10pints]

Given the choice, I'd take a 911 over any tesla model.

[Bevo]

Given the choice, I'd take a 911 over any tesla model.

Anyone who loves cars would, tesla is for hippy liberal homos, anyone remotely interested and have the funds for high end cars still choose rolls royce, Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston, etc... no rich person cares about tesla unless it's their car on the side just to have taking up garage space

[Skylge]

  Let's be real here.

Tesla sells few showpieces a year.
Company runs like a North Korean one; massive constant losses and stays afloat only due to massive government handouts. It's ridiculous project to say the least. Cars itself are not suitable for everyday driving and are plagued by poor build quality.

German premium and volks car makers operate with totally different principle. Their target is to develop and build economically feasible hybrid and electric cars. They can't rely on CIA funding. They have the world's best automotive engineers, massive positive cash flow to invest in new technology, world's most efficient logistics chains, globally established brands.

It will be hard to beat Germany in cars.

Build quality and materials used in German cars are fine, but...

Italian styling is better imo
The Koreans have Germans beat when it comes to warranty (German brands don't really trust their own products) and also do very well in 100,000 km test from German car mags

Tech / clean / green cars: Tesla

Reliability: Japanese non turbo engines win all the time

[mass243]

Build quality and materials used in German cars are fine, but...

Italian styling is better imo
The Koreans have Germans beat when it comes to warranty (German brands don't really trust their own products) and also do very well in 100,000 km test from German car mags

Tech / clean / green cars: Tesla

Reliability: Japanese non turbo engines win all the time

Valid points.
Italians rule the style, yes. 

[wordy]

I've already got 2, but I can't really fit it them.

[Skylge]

ahead in which measure?  not that I disagree, I'm biased towards Murica cars too, but more so the non-electric type, like CTS-V.

Ahead as in:

Only fully electric car with a real life practical range
Supercharger network
Buying direct from the factory  (no middle men)
Over-The-Air updates
AutoPilot (semi) autonomous driving
Totally integrated concept: one store shopping for your Solar roof, Tesla Powerwall energy storage, and you car mobility
First with huge HQ touchscreen in dashboard, controlling nearly everything


It's only logical: Californication already influences the entire world with regards to software, smartphones, porn, fitness, movie, music, and now green cars too.

Even Toyota recently jumped on the electric train, years late, they missed such an important revolution completely   :-)

[10pints]

Ahead as in:

Only fully electric car with a real life practical range
Supercharger network
Buying direct from the factory  (no middle men)
Over-The-Air updates
AutoPilot (semi) autonomous driving
Totally integrated concept: one store shopping for your Solar roof, Tesla Powerwall energy storage, and you car mobility
First with huge HQ touchscreen in dashboard, controlling nearly everything


It's only logical: Californication already influences the entire world with regards to software, smartphones, porn, fitness, movie, music, and now green cars too.

Even Toyota recently jumped on the electric train, years late, they missed such an important revolution completely   :-)

Tesla interiors suck, as does their handling. That said, I applaud them for pushing the electric agenda, despite preferring the noise of a combustion engine.

[ESFitness]

Ahead as in:

Only fully electric car with a real life practical range
Supercharger network
Buying direct from the factory  (no middle men)
Over-The-Air updates
AutoPilot (semi) autonomous driving
Totally integrated concept: one store shopping for your Solar roof, Tesla Powerwall energy storage, and you car mobility
First with huge HQ touchscreen in dashboard, controlling nearly everything


It's only logical: Californication already influences the entire world with regards to software, smartphones, porn, fitness, movie, music, and now green cars too.

Even Toyota recently jumped on the electric train, years late, they missed such an important revolution completely   :-)

Bail when I raced cars for scca (Porsches..from 97-2000) Toyota and GM came to our team to have it's be part of their r&d team.

Toyota said (this was 98 I believe.. I/we were already national champions) that by 2012 or 2015 they wanTed ALL their cars to be hybrid/electric. This Was Back when the supra and mr2 were popular. We thought they were crazy.... So we went with GM and worked on the EV-1. And we all see how that turned out. Lol.

Anyways... German cars are designed to survive a crash at 120+mph. (Except Ryan Dunn or Paul walker apparently hitting light poles or trees in 911/918's).

Ill take an S550 over anything mentioned in this thread.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

get S63 AMG black on black. thats a big boy car

[ESFitness]

get S63 AMG black on black. thats a big boy car

The white on red s63 is incredible.


.... Would Newberg but one brand new though. Lol. Pre-owned written 8k miles. Haha.. Esp the coupe.

[lilhawk1]

BMW M4 coupe all day...  Got one last summer, car is amazing.

[illuminati]

Jaguar F type
Project 7 Preferably  -- For Me.

[10pints]

At some point this year, depending on how well things pan out, I'm looking to get to get a 911 C2S (997) PDK.

I know the 911 is seen as a c*nts car, but that only makes it more desirable, in my eyes!