Was the Ortiz/Sonnen fight fixed

[JCL]

Fixed.

Just like a few other fights that have happened in UFC/ Bellator as of late.

You people need to open your eyes!

[Zillotch]

Was hoping ortiz would have a heart attack during the fight.... but chael took the dive before ortiz could get there. Very disappointing.

[Erik C]

Sure looked like a dive to me!

And the new rules, and, especially, the new gloves for Bellator suck.

[Pray_4_War]

So since you knew "exactly" what would happen, how much did you bet on Ortiz?

I don't gamble.

Sonnen is 39 and hasn't fought in like 2 years.  Tito is really hard to sub, he has one submission loss in 20 years and the guy who caught him was 6'6".  A guy Sonnen's size isn't choking him out.  

Tito was even out striking Sonnen in this fight until he took him down.  Look a this picture, Sonnen is defensless in this position...



This was a bad sloppy fight by two guys that are washed.

[JCL]

Was hoping ortiz would have a heart attack during the fight.... but chael took the dive before ortiz could get there. Very disappointing.

Tito was in good shape. I give him props for that.  TRT for sure

[Zillotch]

Tito was in good shape. I give him props for that.  TRT for sure

Yeah.... I guess. Still would have been nice if he dropped dead.

[Pray_4_War]

Sonnen was out classed in this fight, he did absolutely nothing.  The only reason he got that half assed choke attempt is because Tito sloppily fell into it while taking Sonnen down.

Tito rolled right out of the choke and just sat there.  Nothing happened.  Sonnen played this like a wrestling match.  This isn't wrestling, it's a fight.  If you can't hurt your opponent with strikes or submit them, you are fucked.

It's only because Tito is so washed at 42 years old that it wasn't over sooner.  Put Sonnen in with any real competition and he is gonna get merked.

[ratherbebig]

reason sonnen lost was because he agreed to.

[Pray_4_War]

reason sonnen lost was because he agreed to.

Waiting for the supporting evidence.

[Simple Simon]

Waiting for the supporting evidence.

there is as much evidence he threw the fight as there is Ortiz won it fair and square.

[Pray_4_War]

there is as much evidence he threw the fight as there is Ortiz won it fair and square.

Oh, so that's how accusations work?

OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.

Now provide evidence that you are not.

[HockeyFightFan]

Oh, so that's how accusations work?

OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.

Now provide evidence that you are not.

Very sneaky way to request cock pics from Be There, but some of us saw right through it.

[ratherbebig]

Waiting for the supporting evidence.

ive been talking about it all along in this thread - how he reacts to tito tapping when he sees it and change position, how easy he goes down with a lame ass one leg-grab, how he doesnt even try to put up a fight add to that bellator faking fights before (shamrock vs kimbo) and chaels fake-wrestling approach to - well anything.

add to that half the internet is screaming it was fixed:

"Well I'm not sure. He won but it looks fake to me. Props to Chael Sonnen. And I loved seeing Tito's wife jumping when he "won" #Bellator170"

"Main event was scripted! Sonnen could have stopped him twice. Fake BS which is why Bellator fails. #Bellator170 @ChaelSonnen @titoortiz"

"@BellatorMMA @titoortiz His career ends with the biggest scripted / fake "fight" Shit Show EVER ... WWE is more believable than Bellator"

"@joerogan what are your thoughts on Chael Sonnen vs Tito Ortiz tonight? The whole thing looked fake to me #BellatorMMA"

"#bellator170 that Tito Ortiz fight was FAKE AS FUCK!!!!"

"TITO FIGHT WAS RIGGED! SO FAKE!"

"So uhh, is Bellator fixed? That looked super fak"

etc

[ratherbebig]

good video

- chael gets taken down super easily
- tito tapping, so chael change choke
- chael letting tito get full mount
- tito neither choking or putting pressure on chael, just holding, yet chael tapping

[Simple Simon]

Oh, so that's how accusations work?

OK, someone presents a theory that you are a dickless phaggot who enjoys being pissed on and getting fucked in the ass by giant black cocks.

Now provide evidence that you are not.

theories are not evidence.

[Pray_4_War]

Very sneaky way to request cock pics from Be There, but some of us saw right through it.

LOL.  Nicely done.

[Pray_4_War]

theories are not evidence.

You are missing my point.  If some one makes an accusation (or presents a theory since you are slow) it's up to the person making said accusation to provide evidence.  If they can't then they are just talking shit.

[Simple Simon]

You are missing my point.  If some one makes an accusation (or presents a theory since you are slow) it's up to the person making said accusation to provide evidence.  If they can't then they are just talking shit.

there is evidence in the form of a tap, it is there on film, now, what evidence do you have that the tap meant nothing, lets stick to the one bit of evidence we have.

[Simple Simon]

either the tap meant nothing or it meant get off me and move.
The fact he released straight after the tap suggests the latter.

So, based on the balance of probabilities the tap meant something.

as such , the fight was fixed.


the prosecution rests.

[polychronopolous]

The fight was legit and on the up and up.

Chael's mic skills for an MMA guy are an A but if you look at it as just some athlete using pro wrestling techniques to sell a match(which is exactly what he is doing), I would give him a C+ or B-

[Pray_4_War]

there is evidence in the form of a tap, it is there on film, now, what evidence do you have that the tap meant nothing, lets stick to the one bit of evidence we have.

That's not evidence.  It was not a tap.  Even if there was a tap, you have no proof that the tap was a pre-arranged signal determined ahead of time by the fighters.  People on the internet have a lot of theories and suspicions about a lot of topics.  Largely these people have very little practical experience and knowledge of the sport or activity that they are discussing.

When it comes to sports and fights especially everyone is quick to say this was fixed or that was fixed.  They are in a hurry for things to be fixed.  They see it when it is not there.  They don't know what thy are talking about.  They are miles away from the sport and the people that run it and compete in it. They just like to feel smart and feel like they are "free thinkers" and they they are somehow better than all the "sheep" out in the world. It's ego driven.

These are the same people with no background in structural engineering that are talking about the steel beams in the twin towers.

These are the same people with zero knowledge of astronomy or physics babbling about how the moon landing was faked.

They are full of shit.

[Pray_4_War]

Really look at this alleged tap.  Tito's hand never makes contact with Sonnens hand.  Tito's fucking thumb moves up and for a fraction of a second faintly touches what appears to be be Sonnens glove.

His thumb.  This whole theory is based on Tito's fucking thumb.

Answer a question for me.  What do you really know about grappling and Jiu-Jitsu?  Have you ever trained at all?  If so at what level?

What is it exactly, that qualifies you to interpret position changes or to explain what a profesional fighter is doing or should be doing inside the octagon?

[polychronopolous]

Big John has words with Tito.

(Rumored to have been for holding the choke too long)

[Pray_4_War]

Big John has words with Tito.

(Rumored to have been for holding the choke too long)

Yes he did.  He hung on until John Pried him off.  In the broadcast you can see Tito telling McCarthy "I'm sorry".

[polychronopolous]

Yes he did.  He hung on until John Pried him off.  In the broadcast you can see Tito telling McCarthy "I'm sorry".

You can see the respect even an old vet like Tito has for Big John.

Gives him a nod, takes his criticism and moves on.