Was the Ortiz/Sonnen fight fixed

[pellius]

I resent that so many MMA fights are accused of being fixed. I think the UFC, Bellator, Invicta are not corrupt and legit organizations. But that doesn't mean corrupt people are not involved.

This made me go, "hmmm"

[illuminati]

Certainly some sort of coded tapping to release him.
Got him in a choke hold - tap & release 

[ratherbebig]

they probably rehearsed the whole thing over and over before the fight.

im not saying you should stop betting on belator fights

im just saying you need to stop betting on who you think would win, and rather bet on who you think THEY are gonna let win 

[Simple Simon]

they probably rehearsed the whole thing over and over before the fight.

im not saying you should stop betting on belator fights

im just saying you need to stop betting on who you think would win, and rather bet on who you think THEY are gonna let win 

exactly why Conner got the nod over Nate in their rematch.

[Coach is Back!]

I fell asleep before it even started. Having it all over social media didn't help either

[Pray_4_War]

Nonsense.  Sonnen didn't have the choke sunken in properly.  He had to let it go and try to improve his position then he gave up his back to Ortiz to avoid getting his face smashed in by Tito's ground and pound game.

One molecule of Tito's thumb might have touched Sonnens hand for a fraction of a second.  Certainly not a "tap".  Too many conspiracy theorists these days.  This country ass m0therfucker probably believes in Bigfoot too.

[HockeyFightFan]

Nonsense.  Sonnen didn't have the choke sunken in properly.  He had to let it go and try to improve his position then he gave up his back to Ortiz to avoid getting his face smashed in by Tito's ground and pound game.

One molecule of Tito's thumb might have touched Sonnens hand for a fraction of a second.  Certainly not a "tap".  Too many conspiracy theorists these days.  This country ass m0therfucker probably believes in Bigfoot too.

No.

A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.

[Kwon]

Heard he got paid 500.000 USD for the Ortiz-fight.

Chael has also signed a 6 fight contract with Bellator.


Wanderlei is next!

He generates numbers with hyping the fight before the fight, he doesnt need to win to get money these days.

Good for Chael, good money for the least effort.

[Pray_4_War]

No.

A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.

What's he going to do just hold that position until the end of the round.  Sit there and do nothing?  Big Johns isn't going to let you hold one position and not continue to work.

This is so stupid.  Sonnen is a 39 year old fighter coming off a 2 plus year lay-off.  He had a chance at the guillotine but he didn't get the choke under Tito's neck properly.  Simple.

Look at that "tap".  They barely touched each other.  People just like to believe stupid shit so they can feel smart.  Idiotic.

The added context of the full fight makes the video in the op look silly.

[Schnauzer]

No.

A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.

The post-fight press conference was a joke. Chael was asked several times how he couldn't have gotten that choke locked in. Chael's excuse was that he couldn't get his leg on the right side. This from a guy that went several rounds out grappling Anderson Silva.  

[ratherbebig]

The post-fight press conference was a joke. Chael was asked several times how he couldn't have gotten that choke locked in. Chael's excuse was that he couldn't get his leg on the right side. This from a guy that went several rounds out grappling Anderson Silva.  

he looked uncomfortable getting the questions, kinda like he was thinking on how to avoid it or spin it

[Pray_4_War]

People just want to think what they want to think.  To hear people talk these days everything in the world is fixed and every word that's spoken is a lie.

Our entire existence as human beings has become a conspiracy theory.  Sonnen had a brief shot at this fight but Tito got out and subbed him.  Simple as that.

[HockeyFightFan]

People just want to think what they want to think.  To hear people talk these days everything in the world is fixed and every word that's spoken is a lie.

Our entire existence as human beings has become a conspiracy theory.  Sonnen had a brief shot at this fight but Tito got out and subbed him.  Simple as that.

No.

[Pray_4_War]

No.

A wrestler of Chael's caliber isn't going to need to let go to regroup on someone with a head the size of Tito's.

No.

Look everyone, an MMA expert!  I'm sure you've rolled with some of the best grapplers in the world and your trained eye can see much more than the average fan.

The voice of authority!  When can I enroll on you Jiu-Jitsu classes Master?   

[ratherbebig]

kimbo shamrock was fixed too.

[Rudee]

Certainly some sort of coded tapping to release him.
Got him in a choke hold - tap & release  

Na, Tito tapped his other hand.   Sonnen wouldn't have see or felt it.

It's shit fights like this that make me have no interest in watching anything from Bellator.

[HockeyFightFan]

Look everyone, an MMA expert!  I'm sure you've rolled with some of the best grapplers in the world and your trained eye can see much more than the average fan.

The voice of authority!  When can I enroll on you Jiu-Jitsu classes Master?   

When you reach puberty.

Or at least a teenage equivalent IQ.

No hurry, we will wait.

[Pray_4_War]

When you reach puberty.

Or at least a teenage equivalent IQ.

No hurry, we will wait.

Yes Sensei!  What ever you say Sensei!

You don't know shit....you think you know...but you don't know.

[ratherbebig]

from what i can see from the video tito does a small tap with his fingers, it appears that chad looks down as it happens and then change his hold.

coincidence?

[Schnauzer]

The fight didn't make a lot of sense. Chael had the darce locked up and could've gone for it but instead (after Tito taps his hand) decides to abandon that and go for a shitty arm-in guillotine when he wasn't even close to having the position for it. Then he taps to a choke that was not under the chin and was at a strange sideways angle that i cant recall anyone ever tapping to something similar. I know Chael tends to tap quicker than others when caught in a sub but this was just a VERY weird fight all around.

[Pray_4_War]

It wasn't weird it was sloppy.  You have two 40 year old fighters.  One has-been, and one never-was.  Made perfect sense to me.  Exactly what I expected to happen.

[ratherbebig]

he also gets taken down super-easy with a single leg almost instantly when the fight starts.

there's more action in sparring.

seems pretty obvious to me how it went down: let's throw a few half-ass kicks/punches, you go for a single leg which i dont even try to defend against, we roll around a little, play around with chokes and then ill let you get full mount and choke me out, sounds good? ok!

[HockeyFightFan]

Yes Sensei!  What ever you say Sensei!

You don't know shit....you think you know...but you don't know.

Still wrong.

And alone in your opinion.

I bet you train Tapout.

[Schnauzer]

It wasn't weird it was sloppy.  You have two 40 year old fighters.  One has-been, and one never-was.  Made perfect sense to me.  Exactly what I expected to happen.

So since you knew "exactly" what would happen, how much did you bet on Ortiz?

[_bruce_]

Strange fight, but who knows.
The lack of standup was a huge letdown. Why on earth is Tito still fighting with a repaired neck?