" The Shadow" is typical of guys on this board who dont have a clue how to truly judge a physique competition. Structure, size , symmetry, shape, conditioning....COMPLETE physiques. Too many times the Olympia is a popularity contest, with judges to fearful to vote against the grade. This is why we have guys reigning year after year after year undeservedly so. Haney lost to Labrada, Yates lost to Ray, Coleman lost to Cutler - in a year when the champ showed up in poor shape due to drug testing, injury, or mistiming their peak. You should not win if your out of shape, just because you deservedly won the last three years. The End. You youngsters have much to learn.