Author Topic: Did I do blood work too soon? (Read 6518 times)

theworm · « **on:** February 02, 2017, 01:43:29 PM »

Got labs done today, results tommorrow, will post. If my test is less than 250 I'm going on TRT

I ran a 15 week cycle of test 500, deca 6-700... I ran arimidex, hcg and caber on cycle.

My last deca shot was nov 17, last test cyp was nov 29. I was also running a little prop at 50 EOD, last shot dec 11.

Pct was nolva and clomid dec 18-Jan 16 or so. Off pct for about 3-4 weeks. Think that was too early? I'll post the full panel tommorrow

triggerhappy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2017, 02:26:39 PM »

When i used to pct i always waited 8-9 weeks for final bloods

theworm · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2017, 02:34:33 PM »

Quote from: triggerhappy on February 02, 2017, 02:26:39 PM

When i used to pct i always waited 8-9 weeks for final bloods

8-9 weeks after pct?

I figure if my test is 150 this close to Pct then I should TRT now... am I thinking correctly?

AbrahamG · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2017, 03:53:26 PM »

Quote from: theworm on February 02, 2017, 02:34:33 PM

8-9 weeks after pct?

I figure if my test is 150 this close to Pct then I should TRT now... am I thinking correctly?

Yes. My last bloods were after running clomid and was somewhere like 550. Will be going again shortly to see
where I'm at. I have a feeling I"m going to be under a 100. If so, TRT here I come.

triggerhappy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2017, 04:42:14 PM »

Quote from: theworm on February 02, 2017, 02:34:33 PM

8-9 weeks after pct?

I figure if my test is 150 this close to Pct then I should TRT now... am I thinking correctly?

Yes 8-9 weeks.

theworm · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2017, 04:03:15 PM »

Test levels still pending.
Prolactin, estradiol, dhea all normal
Fsh low 1.2 (normal 1.6-9)
LH low <.2 (normal 1.6-8.6)

Thoughts so far? I know we need to wait for the test levels.

Could the clomid or nova 3 weeks ago depress LH?

theworm · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2017, 05:35:36 AM »

Quote from: theworm on February 03, 2017, 04:03:15 PM

Test levels still pending.
Prolactin, estradiol, dhea all normal
Fsh low 1.2 (normal 1.6-9)
LH low <.2 (normal 1.6-8.6)

Thoughts so far? I know we need to wait for the test levels.

Could the clomid or nova 3 weeks ago depress LH?

Can deca be making my Lh zero? It's been 11-12 weeks after last shot. I ran hcg on cycle and did a solid Pct

canberk1188 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2017, 05:52:36 AM »

Depends on the drugs you are taking. If drol halo tren oral winstrol masteron taken. You must have a blood work every 3 months. The others are not a problem. SAFE = TEST DECA PRİMO ANAVAR GH .

theworm · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »

Quote from: jr on February 04, 2017, 07:52:04 PM

Clomid and nolva should raise LH if it is in your system.

Low LH means your HTPA axis is probably still inhibited or shutdown.

Deca metabolites stay in the body for over a year and can hinder recovery for a very long time.

Read this:

http://www.ergo-log.com/recoveryfromadecacourse.html

I did read that and I'm listening to jizmo and not touching deca again cause I cycle...

It's been almost 2 months since the cycle, I'm getting back on clomid and nolva for at least another 4 weeks, but you all think I should TRT at 100 mg a week for a few months to let the nandrolone metabolites clear then do a Pct once the nandrolone is fully out of my system?
Hate feeling like shit.

canberk1188 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2017, 06:16:10 AM »

Nadrolone will took 14 months to get away from you system so you must increase your trt dosage.. 300MG or 500mg is good but I dont know any doctor will prescribe that much. Most I seen they prescribe was 250mg week.

theworm · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2017, 07:51:10 AM »

Quote from: canberk1188 on February 06, 2017, 06:16:10 AM

Nadrolone will took 14 months to get away from you system so you must increase your trt dosage.. 300MG or 500mg is good but I dont know any doctor will prescribe that much. Most I seen they prescribe was 250mg week.

But I'm not on TRT... that's my question, should I go on test 100 a week for 2-3 months then Pct again?

Or, just stick to clomid nolva for 3-4 weeks and recheck labs in 6-8 weeks?

Bulgarian_enforcer · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2017, 11:02:26 AM »

Quote from: theworm on February 06, 2017, 07:51:10 AM

But I'm not on TRT... that's my question, should I go on test 100 a week for 2-3 months then Pct again?

Or, just stick to clomid nolva for 3-4 weeks and recheck labs in 6-8 weeks?

sounds good. get some aromasin and pregnyl during the last month on test, then clomid only pct with maybe sarms.

That should do the trick.

theworm · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2017, 05:57:13 AM »

Quote from: theworm on February 03, 2017, 04:03:15 PM

Test levels still pending.
Prolactin, estradiol, dhea all normal
Fsh low 1.2 (normal 1.6-9)
LH low <.2 (normal 1.6-8.6)

Thoughts so far? I know we need to wait for the test levels.

Could the clomid or nova 3 weeks ago depress LH?

Got my test levels back, total is 40!!! Yes fucking 40. Epic pct fail!
Seeing an endo tommorrow and see what she says

I'm thinking TRT for 6 months, allow nandrolone metabolites to clear and try one more Pct attempt. Or maybe say fuck it, I'm 38, if I plan to cycle again, just stay on 100 mg a week maintanence...

Crazy thing is I feel pretty good.

heenok · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2017, 07:47:43 AM »

If you plan on doing PCT deca isnt a wise choice. Anyway why dont you get a trt prescription. Will make the whole thing much easier.
If your libido and mood is good to me dont do anything, test level is just a number. Just use NPP instead of deca next time.

Mad-scientist · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2017, 03:53:30 PM »

Quit all AAS for at least 6 months to a year, and get a hpta restart done through a endo. Honestly TRT is a pain in the ass after a while. TRT is a great treatment but it's not all sunshine and rainbows so I would do everything possible to avoid it. I've been on TRT for over a year and I highly regret not trying every thing possible to recover my natural testosterone before starting the treatment.

theworm · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:33:08 PM »

Quote from: Mad-scientist on February 08, 2017, 03:53:30 PM

Quit all AAS for at least 6 months to a year, and get a hpta restart done through a endo. Honestly TRT is a pain in the ass after a while. TRT is a great treatment but it's not all sunshine and rainbows so I would do everything possible to avoid it. I've been on TRT for over a year and I highly regret not trying every thing possible to recover my natural testosterone before starting the treatment.

Can you explain more?
I had my test levels checked 10 years ago and they were 300 so I know I prob need TRT anyway. My test level is 40 right now and I feel like shit.
I know TRT is a pain but I plan to cycle more, so I don't see the point of the hormonal roller coaster of 12 week cycle, off 12 weeks and feel like shit only to hop back on.
I'm being lazy in leaning towards TRT and I prob should do another Pct and stick it out but this is painful. I hope you can convince me not to TRT ,

heenok · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2017, 01:51:13 AM »

People would inject tren ace ED, peptides and GH multiple times a day, then shooting half a mil of test every 5 days is bad ?
I dont get it. Better be on TRT than left with no test.

Bulgarian_enforcer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:54:28 AM »

Quote from: theworm on February 02, 2017, 01:43:29 PM

Got labs done today, results tommorrow, will post. If my test is less than 250 I'm going on TRT

I ran a 15 week cycle of test 500, deca 6-700... I ran arimidex, hcg and caber on cycle.

My last deca shot was nov 17, last test cyp was nov 29. I was also running a little prop at 50 EOD, last shot dec 11.

Pct was nolva and clomid dec 18-Jan 16 or so. Off pct for about 3-4 weeks. Think that was too early? I'll post the full panel tommorrow

I am 1 week off 4 week pct after 8 months on Primo/test and my test is down to 150...

I am taking gh and ostarine, I will take the ostarine out, run some test boosters and do 4 weeks of nolva starting from today 20 mg ed. Also lots of healthy fats. estrogen and prolactine are fine. All organs are fine.

Dont think of doing hcg any more since it supresses natty lh.

My test is low, but i strength is ok and gains are still their, just feeling soft and letargic compared to oncycle

theworm · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2017, 07:56:36 PM »

Saw the endo today and she wants to do an MRI of my brain. There was no way I was going to tell her it's cause I used deca 12 weeks ago and that's why my LH is zero. She basically said she put me on TRT but only if I did the MRI.

I'm torn between just getting on TRT and stop fucking around, or stick it out for a few more months but knowing I'm just going to hop back on

Dilemmas

I'm leaning to lilhawks advice and just stay on, less of a hormonal roller coaster which is a big mind fuck

Mad-scientist · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2017, 08:16:06 PM »

Honestly at how low your testosterone is trying to recover might not be possible. In my oppinion though if you have a 10% chance of being able to recover its worth a try. I would probably run hcg for 2 weeks then when thats over use clomid and nolva together for about 6 weeks. One theory I have is that organic food and cutting out processed foods could help alot. I would also look into testosterone boosting foods, activities, and stay away from any drugs or alcohol. It can take up to a year to recover to somewhat normal levwls.

If you plan to keep cycling it sounds like TRT is inevitable damn near. Some lucky people can cycle for ever and not have to go on trt. Also if your testosterone is that low it's not good for your heart so if it doesnt get to at least above 400 I would go on trt.

I personally think you should find a endo and get trt through them not a regular doctor. Also finding a doctor that you can talk to about prior AAS use could be very helpful. I've been open with my doctor about my past AAS use and I think it's really helped me. It's a double edged sword though some doctors are dicks and Ive heard it can cause problems.

theworm · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2017, 09:06:52 PM »

Quote from: Mad-scientist on February 09, 2017, 08:16:06 PM

Honestly at how low your testosterone is trying to recover might not be possible. In my oppinion though if you have a 10% chance of being able to recover its worth a try. I would probably run hcg for 2 weeks then when thats over use clomid and nolva together for about 6 weeks. One theory I have is that organic food and cutting out processed foods could help alot. I would also look into testosterone boosting foods, activities, and stay away from any drugs or alcohol. It can take up to a year to recover to somewhat normal levwls.

If you plan to keep cycling it sounds like TRT is inevitable damn near. Some lucky people can cycle for ever and not have to go on trt. Also if your testosterone is that low it's not good for your heart so if it doesnt get to at least above 400 I would go on trt.

I personally think you should find a endo and get trt through them not a regular doctor. Also finding a doctor that you can talk to about prior AAS use could be very helpful. I've been open with my doctor about my past AAS use and I think it's really helped me. It's a double edged sword though some doctors are dicks and Ive heard it can cause problems.

Thanks. I am seeing an endo. I think my test is so low there is not much hope. Sadly. I did a test level 10 years ago when I was 28 and it was 300 and I didn't use then.. it's just such a big decision to TRT forever but then again my quality of life somewhat sucks right now.

Mad-scientist · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2017, 10:23:43 PM »

It really is a hard decision to start trt. If you want kids in the future I would consider talking to a professional about freezing sperm. I forgot how old you are so I dont know if you plan on having kids or not but the best endo's usually recommend that if you plan on having kids in the future just in case hcg and other medications dont work.

Also definitely make sure to rotate injection spots alot id recomend glutes, shoulders, ventro glutes, and quads. I'm starting to get scar tissue just using shoulders and glutes. Whatever your choice is good luck man I hope everything go's good.

theworm · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:58:46 AM »

Quote from: Mad-scientist on February 09, 2017, 10:23:43 PM

It really is a hard decision to start trt. If you want kids in the future I would consider talking to a professional about freezing sperm. I forgot how old you are so I dont know if you plan on having kids or not but the best endo's usually recommend that if you plan on having kids in the future just in case hcg and other medications dont work.

Also definitely make sure to rotate injection spots alot id recomend glutes, shoulders, ventro glutes, and quads. I'm starting to get scar tissue just using shoulders and glutes. Whatever your choice is good luck man I hope everything go's good.

Thanks again
I'm 38 with 4 kids.
As far as scar tissue, I did a lot of research and I would start with sub cutaneous injections. A lot of research is showing it works great with a release of more stable hormones. The endo is trying to push a gel but I'm just not interested in rubbing something on me every day
I don't know, I want to start after having a completely lethargic day, but then I wake up today and feel great. The endo wants me to repeat labs in a week, which may be too short. I figure if nothing has risen by then, it prob won't. Thoughts? Thanks for the input, such a hard decision.

theworm · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2017, 05:32:53 AM »

Saw the endocrinologist and now on trt, so much better!!!

Rusty Trombone · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2017, 09:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Mad-scientist on February 08, 2017, 03:53:30 PM

Quit all AAS for at least 6 months to a year, and get a hpta restart done through a endo. Honestly TRT is a pain in the ass after a while. TRT is a great treatment but it's not all sunshine and rainbows so I would do everything possible to avoid it. I've been on TRT for over a year and I highly regret not trying every thing possible to recover my natural testosterone before starting the treatment.

Mad scientist,why do you not like TRT?