Kidneys and pre workout formula

[hipolito mejia]

A friend of mine who happens to be a men's physique competitor has been told by doctor that his kidneys are " weak " and the reason is the pre workout formula ! so he has to cut that off completely.  I thought steroids and massive protein intake would put stress in kidneys.

The guy is late 30s of 40 great shape. Seems worry

What's the best way too get kidneys clean and back to normal ?

[DroppingPlates]

His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.

Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.

[8 INCH not biceps]

His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.

Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.

Exactly most doctors  know nothing about nutrition or how to treat a bodybuilder, in med school you are only given a basic concept of nutrition doctors are a waste of money and are only needed if you get shot, stabbed etc. 

[Irongrip400]

Where are the pics of dudes with bolt on tits and wigs? This isn't like you. Add hippo to the list of hacked accounts.

[hipolito mejia]

His doctor has no fucking clue where he's talking about and 'your friend' prob wasn't upfront about his exact PED use.

Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.

Thanks but Don't you think the blood work would have revealed anything going on in his system ?

[SF1900]

Where are the pics of dudes with bolt on tits and wigs? This isn't like you. Add hippo to the list of hacked accounts.

Wait for UKJeff to come in and expose the gimmicks!!! 

[DroppingPlates]

Thanks but Don't you think the blood work would have revealed anything going on in his system ?

Yes, but not the main cause, which is prob a diuretic or another toxic oral

[Simple Simon]

Wait for UKJeff to come in and expose the gimmicks!!! 

im beginning to think Im the only human on a site of fucking bots.

[SF1900]

im beginning to think Im the only human on a site of fucking bots.

Let me switch to my gimmick account and Ill provide a better answer about who is real.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes, but not the main cause, which is prob a diuretic or another toxic oral

The main kidney killer is high blood pressure. Not steroids directly, as in toxic to the kidneys (indirectly they increase BP). The doc probably was referring to the BP increasing aspects of stimulants and he wouldn't necessarily be wrong. But he doesn't know what the cause for "weak kidneys" is for sure, unless he takes the dudes BP before and after a PWO.

hippplito, you can't "clean out" kidneys, you can get the risk factors under control though, as in lowering BP etc. If the kidneys are damaged already they don't really recover.

[FREAKgeek]

Milk thistle could help him, but first he should cut out the main cause after a solid diagnosis.

Never been scientifically shown to do anything. It personally gives me heart palpitations. Blamed it on the roids, it was the milk thistle. Damn herbs.

[Wiggs]

Too much protein over a long period of time is a kidney killer as well.

[hipolito mejia]

Never been scientifically shown to do anything. It personally gives me heart palpitations. Blamed it on the roids, it was the milk thistle. Damn herbs.

Milk thistle has been used a lot after the liver has been under a lot os stress due to steroids use. To be honest I haven't heard much about its use with kidney issues.

[hipolito mejia]

Too much protein over a long period of time is a kidney killer as well.

But that has to be a ridiculous daily intake , like over 350 grams Daily. 

[Wiggs]

But that has to be a ridiculous daily intake , like over 350 grams Daily. 

No, not really. It depends on the person and their makeup, in addition whatever else theyre doing. Drugs etc.

[FREAKgeek]

Milk thistle has been used a lot after the liver has been under a lot os stress due to steroids use. To be honest I haven't heard much about its use with kidney issues.

I know dude.

[thelamefalsehood]

The main kidney killer is high blood pressure. Not steroids directly, as in toxic to the kidneys (indirectly they increase BP). The doc probably was referring to the BP increasing aspects of stimulants and he wouldn't necessarily be wrong. But he doesn't know what the cause for "weak kidneys" is for sure, unless he takes the dudes BP before and after a PWO.

hippplito, you can't "clean out" kidneys, you can get the risk factors under control though, as in lowering BP etc. If the kidneys are damaged already they don't really recover.

BP does damage the kidneys, for sure. But AAS are directly toxic to the kidneys, don't fool yourself. I think it's really a matter of genetic predisposition and if it will effect the individual. RDC juiced heavy for 20-30 years but as far as we know has no kidney issues. Other guys aren't so lucky. Check out this study, I think lots of guys are in this boat and don't even know it......yet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/

[Coffeed]

Exactly most doctors  know nothing about nutrition or how to treat a bodybuilder, in med school you are only given a basic concept of nutrition doctors are a waste of money and are only needed if you get shot, stabbed etc. 

More like most doctors don't even know their patients are on steroids!

Dr: "What do you take?"

250 pound bodybuilder: "Well, I take protein shakes, creatine, and a preworkout with some stimulants in it occasionally."

[oldtimer1]

Steroids increase blood pressure then it gets spiked further when you lift. Another big cause of kidney damage is using oil injections. Your kidneys filter your blood and get clogged with that crap. Vegetable oil on your salad is okay as it's processed by your digestive system. Injecting vegetable oil is insanity. Creatine  after it's processed by your body can throw off kidney tests because you can get a high creatinine reading indicating your kidneys are going bad or just a indicating you're using creatine.  Also steroid contribute to fluid retention that contributes to blood pressure problems.  Not a doctor disclaimer here. Another source is rhabdomyolysis where damage muscle fibers clog the kidneys.

[8 INCH not biceps]

You people need to realize that massive protein intake is not necessary to build muscle the only thing that you are doing is putting unnecessary stress on your organs, this bullshit was invented by the supplement companies so you would waste your money buying their fart powder. 

[Powerlift66]

Ask DA and Flex for kidney advices...

[Simple Simon]

You people need to realize that massive protein intake is not necessary to build muscle the only thing that you are doing is putting unnecessary stress on your organs, this bullshit was invented by the supplement companies so you would waste your money buying their fart powder. 

so i take it on a keto diet for all those months all you ate was fats and a bit of protein?

how much protein?

[8 INCH not biceps]

so i take it on a keto diet for all those months all you ate was fats and a bit of protein?

how much protein?

This is how you break it down on a keto diet, 75 percent fats, 25 percent protein and 5 percent carbs the first few days are hell because your brain is used to carbs as energy and it has to switch to burning fat for energy, if you are able to survive then once the brain gets used to burning fat as energy you wont feel like shit anymore and you will burn fat like crazy.

[Simple Simon]

This is how you break it down on a keto diet, 75 percent fats, 25 percent protein and 5 percent carbs the first few days are hell because your brain is used to carbs as energy and it has to switch to burning fat for energy, if you are able to survive then once the brain gets used to burning fat as energy you wont feel like shit anymore and you will burn fat like crazy.

I read that twice, it doesnt say how much protein you were eating....which was my question.

tip for you, you are going to get owned in the next three posts..

[Skorp1o]

As already stated AAS have a direct damaging effect on kidneys from toxicity. Since most compounds now are UG labs, contamination with metals and what not is very common. Add to this diet high in protein and high blood pressure and most bodybuilders are walking around with impaired kidneys. Most will get away with it till something else kills them even old age as we are born with far more kidney function than we need. You only go on dialysis once you have less than 10% kidney function.

Your friend will need to stop this life style right now and watch his BP if he wants to keep whatever kidney function he has. Otherwise hes looking at Dialysis sooner than he thinks.