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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2017, 09:16:50 PM »

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2017, 10:37:38 PM »
You forgot the word "Renewal" as in OBAMA SIGNS RENEWAL OF WARRANTLESS WIRETAP LAW

Though we can't forget W voted for Hillary.

Take a look at the last paragraph.

WASHINGTON (AP) —  Barack Obama has signed into law a five-year extension of the U.S. government’s authority to monitor the overseas activity of suspected foreign spies and terrorists.

The warrantless intercept program would have expired at the end of 2012 without the president’s approval. The renewal bill won final passage in the Senate on Friday.

Known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law allows the government to monitor overseas phone calls and emails without obtaining a court order for each intercept.

The law does not apply to Americans. When Americans are targeted for surveillance, the government must get a warrant from a special 11-judge court of U.S. district judges appointed by the Supreme Court.

But do they become targeted through the use of analyzing all grabbed data?  If so, wouldn't that be the same?  Isn't that what Homeland Security is up to these days: operating in busts on Americans for running escort services and for steroid sales and stuff like that?

IDK.  Seriously, just asking.  Interesting subject.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2017, 06:15:44 AM »
...and you post Mark Levin's Breitbart piece.


In a separate Washington Post analysis piece about the controversy, Chris Cillizza wrote:

 

The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.

 

So is this the left's argument??? Trying twist words...

The FISA court, which approves nearly every request, technically has to order or approve the relevant sort of wiretap in this case.


I can see it now:
Politifacts: It wasn't actually Obama that did the wiretapping, it was his administration. Also it wasn't to spy on Trump but to protect the USA.
Rating: Pants on fire.


EDIT: It isn't out of the realm of possibility that this occurred; see example:



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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2017, 06:30:32 AM »
The White House has asked the US Congress to investigate alleged abuse of executive power by the Obama administration as part of the investigation into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election.

The White House request released on Sunday was directed to “congressional intelligence committees” and required them to “exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.”

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2017, 08:16:40 AM »
The White House has asked the US Congress to investigate alleged abuse of executive power by the Obama administration as part of the investigation into alleged Russian interference in the presidential election.

The White House request released on Sunday was directed to “congressional intelligence committees” and required them to “exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.”


Good/finally. Lets see if the republicans develop a backbone and actually follow through on this. There is a ton more "evidence" for this then the fake Russia stuff, but as usual fake republicans/conservatives will probably do nothing because they are aligned with the other side.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2017, 08:43:36 AM »
Good/finally. Lets see if the republicans develop a backbone and actually follow through on this. There is a ton more "evidence" for this then the fake Russia stuff, but as usual fake republicans/conservatives will probably do nothing because they are aligned with the other side.

Yes, the president has the power, via executive order, to see all information regarding these FISA wire taps.

I'm telling you, Trump is playing 4D chess with this entire "Russia" issue. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already seen all the information regarding this situation.



Lewandowski claims Obama WH listened in on Sessions, Russian envoy meetings

Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said in an interview on “Justice with Judge Jeanine” Saturday that the Obama administration listened in on conversations between then-Sen. Jeff Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

“What we have seen from the previous administration is they did spend time listening to conversations between then Senator Jeff Sessions and the ambassador to Russia while he was in his U.S. Senate office,” Lewandowski told Fox News’ Jeanine Pirro. “If that were to take place – which supposedly did take place – what other conversations are they listening in on.”

Lewandowski, trying to connect the dots, said the previous administration said they were aware of two conversations Sessions had with Kislyak – one time during the Republican National Convention and another in the U.S. Senate office.

“And they were monitoring who (Sessions) was having a conversation with from what I understand,” Lewandowski said. “If that is the case, that is very concerning. Is it possible that the previous administration was listening to the conversations that took place in Trump Tower from their political opponents? If that is the case, and what Donald Trump alludes to is accurate, then that’s very disturbing.”

The Justice Department said Wednesday that Sessions did meet with Kislyak twice in 2016. The first was an office visit that occurred in Sessions’ capacity as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and the second took place in a group setting with other ambassadors following a Heritage Foundation speech, which was sponsored by the Obama State Department.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2017, 08:45:38 AM »
...and you post Mark Levin's Breitbart piece.


Is Levin talking out of his ass?

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2017, 08:47:26 AM »
Senator: Intel panel to look at alleged wiretap

http://archive.is/8LOsX#selection-1109.12-1109.59

The Latest on President Donald Trump's claim that then-President Barack Obama had Trump's telephones tapped during last year's election (all times EST):

11:10 a.m.

A Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee says he believes President Donald Trump's unsubstantiated allegations that his predecessor ordered wiretaps of Trump Tower will become part of the committee's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton says, "We're going to follow the facts wherever they lead us. And I'm sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry."
Trump has provided no evidence of his tweeted accusation that former President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower during the 2016 presidential campaign.

And Cotton said he has not seen any evidence of official wiretapping.
Cotton tells "Fox News Sunday," ''That doesn't mean that none of these things happened. It simply means I haven't seen that yet."
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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2017, 09:01:13 AM »
Is Levin talking out of his ass?



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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2017, 09:33:20 AM »
That was brutal

Look at his sources.  Certainly not Brietbart or Conservative talk radio or Alex Jones.  It's the New York Times, etc.

"The question isn't if the Obama administration spied on the Trump capaign or transition or certain of it's surrogates, the issue is the extent of it". -Mark Levin

Meanwhile, the mainstream media is making the issue about Donald Trump's fucking Tweets.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2017, 09:54:28 AM »
Look at his sources.  Certainly not Brietbart or Conservative talk radio or Alex Jones.  It's the New York Times, etc.

"The question isn't if the Obama administration spied on the Trump capaign or transition or certain of it's surrogates, the issue is the extent of it". -Mark Levin

Meanwhile, the mainstream media is making the issue about Donald Trump's fucking Tweets.

Obviously I'm not an attorney but if the evidence is this obvious through public information could you imagine what's the evidence that's not public? If this story keeps growing imagine who else will be brought down....besides a former President.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2017, 10:02:04 AM »
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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2017, 11:04:42 AM »
So is this the left's argument??? Trying twist words...

The FISA court, which approves nearly every request, technically has to order or approve the relevant sort of wiretap in this case.


I can see it now:
Politifacts: It wasn't actually Obama that did the wiretapping, it was his administration. Also it wasn't to spy on Trump but to protect the USA.
Rating: Pants on fire.


EDIT: It isn't out of the realm of possibility that this occurred; see example:





LOL - Trump says the New York Times is FAKE NEWS

so why are you giving us a source that Trump has said is fake?

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2017, 11:30:01 AM »
LOL - Trump says the New York Times is FAKE NEWS

so why are you giving us a source that Trump has said is fake?
Sweet shit dude, as much as your camp bitches about Russia which is a legitimate bitch.

Can you really not see the issue with what obama did?

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2017, 11:36:05 AM »
Sweet shit dude, as much as your camp bitches about Russia which is a legitimate bitch.

Can you really not see the issue with what obama did?

I don't know that Obama did anything

if there is proof then we'll know it soon

If Trump is talking out of this ass (like he does all the time) then we'll know that soon too

I'm only pointing out that Trump says the New York Times is FAKE NEWS

Do you dispute that Trump said this?

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2017, 11:36:44 AM »
Is Levin talking out of his ass?



Sessions should never have backed down. Big mistake. They need to stop doing that so easily. Who cares what they or some lunatic liberals think at this point? They are the corrupt party who is trying to derail America completely and have to be stopped.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2017, 11:43:24 AM »
I don't know that Obama did anything

if there is proof then we'll know it soon

If Trump is talking out of this ass (like he does all the time) then we'll know that soon too

I'm only pointing out that Trump says the New York Times is FAKE NEWS

Do you dispute that Trump said this?
Trump says a lot of shit like all politicians, do you agree with what the obama admin did per the NYT?

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2017, 11:56:39 AM »
Trump says a lot of shit like all politicians, do you agree with what the obama admin did per the NYT?

per the NYT?

you mean you don't think the NYT is Fake News?

So you think Trump was wrong when he called the NYT fake news?

Try to keep in mind Trump has a history of believing bullshit that "someone told him" or that "he heard or saw somewhere"

I'm going with the odds that Trump is responding to bullshit in right wing media that has proven to be totally false

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/clapper-trump-wiretap/index.html

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2017, 12:10:48 PM »
per the NYT?

you mean you don't think the NYT is Fake News?

So you think Trump was wrong when he called the NYT fake news?

Try to keep in mind Trump has a history of believing bullshit that "someone told him" or that "he heard or saw somewhere"

I'm going with the odds that Trump is responding to bullshit in right wing media that has proven to be totally false

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/clapper-trump-wiretap/index.html

Shut up and listen for once. For eight long years you and your minions thought all the right was talking about were conspiracy theories until you got owned to oblivion with undeniable facts. You clowns NEVER learn your lessons and keep getting deeper and deeper in. The dem party is killing itself and frankly I'm loving every second of it.


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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2017, 12:11:02 PM »
per the NYT?

you mean you don't think the NYT is Fake News?

So you think Trump was wrong when he called the NYT fake news?

Try to keep in mind Trump has a history of believing bullshit that "someone told him" or that "he heard or saw somewhere"

I'm going with the odds that Trump is responding to bullshit in right wing media that has proven to be totally false

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/clapper-trump-wiretap/index.html

Didn't Clapper lie to congress under oath? A lie on a Sunday morning news show would be child's play.



On March 12th, 2013, during a United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Senator Ron Wyden asked Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper the following question:

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

Director Clapper responded "No, sir."

Incredulously, Senator Wyden asked "It does not?"

Director Clapper responded "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertantly perhaps collect, but not wittingly."

So that he would be prepared to answer, Senator Wyden gave these questions to Director Clapper's office a day in advance of the hearing. Upon the hearing's completion, he also gave the Director a chance to amend his answer. He opted not to do so.

On June 6th, 2013, whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed to the world that the NSA was engaged in a secret program to collect tens of millions of Americans' phone call records. Further revelations would unveil NSA programs collecting Americans' web browsing histories, chat logs, email usage and even their physical locations.

The NSA had been collecting data on hundreds of millions of innocent Americans, and continues to do so.

Finally forced to acknowledge his remarks as "erroneous", Director Clapper claimed that he "misunderstood" the question (which he had been sent a day in advance) and that he had simply "forgotten" the relevant section of the Patriot Act covering these programs.
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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2017, 12:12:18 PM »
Fortune

‘No Evidence’: Republican Lawmakers Want Answers About President Trump’s Wiretapping Claim
Mahita Gajanan
7:23 PM Pacific

Republican lawmakers want more information from President Trump following his unsubstantiated allegations that former President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the 2016 election.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a member of the Senate intelligence committee that is currently investigating Trump's team's ties to Russia, said Sunday during a "Meet The Press" interview that he has seen "no evidence" to support Trump's claims that were laid out in a series of tweets early Saturday morning.

"I'd imagine the President and the White House in the days to come will outline further what was behind that accusation," Rubio said. "The President put that out there, and now the White House will have to answer as to exactly what he was referring to."


Remember when Trump had his own secret evidence about Russian interference ? He was going to divulge it on Tuesday...Tuesday never came.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2017, 12:15:01 PM »
Fortune

‘No Evidence’: Republican Lawmakers Want Answers About President Trump’s Wiretapping Claim
Mahita Gajanan
7:23 PM Pacific

Republican lawmakers want more information from President Trump following his unsubstantiated allegations that former President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the 2016 election.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a member of the Senate intelligence committee that is currently investigating Trump's team's ties to Russia, said Sunday during a "Meet The Press" interview that he has seen "no evidence" to support Trump's claims that were laid out in a series of tweets early Saturday morning.

"I'd imagine the President and the White House in the days to come will outline further what was behind that accusation," Rubio said. "The President put that out there, and now the White House will have to answer as to exactly what he was referring to."


Remember when Trump had his own secret evidence about Russian interference ? He was going to divulge it on Tuesday...Tuesday never came.

Answer my question about Levin. Do you think he is talking out of his ass? That he provides no evidence in the video above?
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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2017, 12:47:21 PM »
Shut up and listen for once. For eight long years you and your minions thought all the right was talking about were conspiracy theories until you got owned to oblivion with undeniable facts. You clowns NEVER learn your lessons and keep getting deeper and deeper in. The dem party is killing itself and frankly I'm loving every second of it.



FUCK OFF

you're literally the last thing on earth (not even last human being) that I would listen to

you're a certified proven moron

Anything you believe if almost certain to be false

It's amazing that you don't already know this is how I feel about you

then again, you still can't figure out how to post a goddamn YouTube video (proof of just how fucking stupid you are)


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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2017, 12:51:34 PM »
FUCK OFF

you're literally the last thing on earth (not even last human being) that I would listen to

you're a certified proven moron

Anything you believe if almost certain to be false

It's amazing that you don't already know this is how I feel about you

then again, you still can't figure out how to post a goddamn YouTube video (proof of just how fucking stupid you are)



At this point I look like a freaking mensa candidate compared to you. You still haven't addressed Levine's proof. Waiting.

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Re: Trump accuses Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower phones
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2017, 12:54:59 PM »
At this point I look like a freaking mensa candidate compared to you. You still haven't addressed Levine's proof. Waiting.

Levine has no proof

and you still look like the same pumpkin headed, midget moron that you always have

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/im-not-nostradamus-here-man-behind-trumps-wiretap-claim-says-he-cant-prove-obama-did-it/