Evil woman shoplifts in store and assaults worker

[stuntmovie]

I told this story numerous times on this GetBoard but here it is once again.....

Most likely a good way to make lots of money.

OnlyMe 'captured' two 'criminals' who were running amuck and threatening old timers doing some late for shopping in a major grocery store.

He grabbed one and sat on him until the cops arrived.

A few months later we learned that the same two criminals got a lawyer to sue the store and each of them walked away with $100,000 each because the store did not want to go through the legal expenses and most of all  .... they did not want the adverse publicity.

Keith was not fired because he didn't work there but still ...Im surprised that he was also not sued.

A good idea for a good number of GetBiggers I would assume,

[Skeeter]

I thought the store clerk did a pretty good job of detaining her and keeping his composure(on video), although I'm not sure what the law would say.

But seriously, he was probably working for minimum wage. That's a lot of bullshit for no reward. Might as well let the fuckers rob the shit hole.

[Danimal77]

a white trash whore, probably voted for hillary to

too*

[SF1900]

Has getbig ever come to the decision if security guards can detain a person shoplifting?

With all the legal experts here, I am surprised nothing has been established.

[Obvious Gimmick]

Should be arrested for touching a white woman.

[The True Adonis]

Has getbig ever come to the decision if security guards can detain a person shoplifting?

With all the legal experts here, I am surprised nothing has been established.

Depends on many factors, but for the majority of the time, like in this video, the answer is no.

[SF1900]

Depends on many factors, but for the majority of the time, like in this video, the answer is no.

So the employee is screwed?

[The True Adonis]

So the employee is screwed?

Yes!

[SF1900]

Yes!

I guess he should have just let her go.

[calfzilla]

Has getbig ever come to the decision if security guards can detain a person shoplifting?

With all the legal experts here, I am surprised nothing has been established.

They can but they also have to follow their company policy. Many stores have a hands off policy because they see it as too much of a liability.

[Hack Benchers]

But eventually the cops show up.

Lol check out the old lady at approx 4:20 just gazing and looking.
Btw how can cops in the usa be allowed to be so fat and still be on the force?

[Al Doggity]

Has getbig ever come to the decision if security guards can detain a person shoplifting?

  Of course they can. They do it all the time. Even in the article Baldy posted, ,there's nothing that says the manager did anything illegal. The manager was the one suing Rite Aid and the thief was sentenced to 5 years in jail.  The lawsuit even says there were most likely other reasons behind the firing. If Rite Aid decides to fire the guy, it's not because he did something illegal.

[The True Adonis]

Of course they can. They do it all the time. Even in the article Baldy posted, ,there's nothing that says the manager did anything illegal. The manager was the one suing Rite Aid and the thief was sentenced to 5 years in jail.  The lawsuit even says there were most likely other reasons behind the firing. If Rite Aid decides to fire the guy, it's not because he did something illegal.

 Just one of many incidents where retail employees GO TO JAIL or are on SUSPENDED SENTENCES (threat of jail) for trying to restrain someone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shoplifting/comments/30dvfh/funny_lp_stories/


Now this is where the real fun starts: The LP guy (Hobo) stated that he had observed me put three items of a certain kind into my bag and not paying for them. I really only took one. Which was my luck, the one item was found, but since it was a fairly common household thing, couldn't be connected to the theft, the store, or even the chain. About a year after, I head to court, where I got cleared of everything for a lack of evidence. Me beating their asses was ruled as permissible self defense, mostly because the LP Hobo never identified himself as LP and I convinced the court he was just one of the alcoholics usually hanging out in front of the supermarket.

In a truly Shyamalan plot twist, some months later, I go to court again. This time as a witness in the case against the LP guy and the store owner. A few interesting facts, some about my jurisdiction:

    You CAN make a sort of citizens arrest here, but only if you witness a crime by someone, AND if the identity of the perpetrator is not known and can't be found out. If he shows you his drivers license, you have to let him go and let the police handle it.
    Hobo loss prevention guy never identified himself as loss prevention. The FIRST thing you should do, and he fucked it up.
    A lot of witnesses were present
    Both Hobo and store manager claimed that when they confronted me, I had flipped out and attacked them, the witnesses obviously discredited that.

The court argued that there was no proof that I had actually nicked something, but even if I really did, they broke the law since my identity was known to them (I shopped there for years) and the manager, by own admission, did not witness me taking any merchandise (necessary here to legally stop someone, if necessary by force, if you aren't law enforcement.)

In the end, they were both slapped with a VERY hefty fine and imprisonment set out on probation, since they both had no priors for agg assault (aggravated because they attacked from ambush and in a group, two qualifiers in my jurisdiction), attempted robbery (since they tried to rip my backpack off my back), attempt at unlawful detention, duress (attempting to hold me against my will) and, just for fun, damaging my backpack.

Although I really DID steal stuff, I feel like they fully deserved it. Just some wannabe Rambos thinking they finally get a chance to beat someone up because their wives won't fuck them anymore.

[SF1900]

 Just one of many incidents where retail employees GO TO JAIL or are on SUSPENDED SENTENCES (threat of jail) for trying to restrain someone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shoplifting/comments/30dvfh/funny_lp_stories/


Now this is where the real fun starts: The LP guy (Hobo) stated that he had observed me put three items of a certain kind into my bag and not paying for them. I really only took one. Which was my luck, the one item was found, but since it was a fairly common household thing, couldn't be connected to the theft, the store, or even the chain. About a year after, I head to court, where I got cleared of everything for a lack of evidence. Me beating their asses was ruled as permissible self defense, mostly because the LP Hobo never identified himself as LP and I convinced the court he was just one of the alcoholics usually hanging out in front of the supermarket.

In a truly Shyamalan plot twist, some months later, I go to court again. This time as a witness in the case against the LP guy and the store owner. A few interesting facts, some about my jurisdiction:

    You CAN make a sort of citizens arrest here, but only if you witness a crime by someone, AND if the identity of the perpetrator is not known and can't be found out. If he shows you his drivers license, you have to let him go and let the police handle it.
    Hobo loss prevention guy never identified himself as loss prevention. The FIRST thing you should do, and he fucked it up.
    A lot of witnesses were present
    Both Hobo and store manager claimed that when they confronted me, I had flipped out and attacked them, the witnesses obviously discredited that.

The court argued that there was no proof that I had actually nicked something, but even if I really did, they broke the law since my identity was known to them (I shopped there for years) and the manager, by own admission, did not witness me taking any merchandise (necessary here to legally stop someone, if necessary by force, if you aren't law enforcement.)

In the end, they were both slapped with a VERY hefty fine and imprisonment set out on probation, since they both had no priors for agg assault (aggravated because they attacked from ambush and in a group, two qualifiers in my jurisdiction), attempted robbery (since they tried to rip my backpack off my back), attempt at unlawful detention, duress (attempting to hold me against my will) and, just for fun, damaging my backpack.

Although I really DID steal stuff, I feel like they fully deserved it. Just some wannabe Rambos thinking they finally get a chance to beat someone up because their wives won't fuck them anymore.

Thanks for finding an answer, TA!

[Al Doggity]

 Just one of many incidents where retail employees GO TO JAIL or are on SUSPENDED SENTENCES (threat of jail) for trying to restrain someone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shoplifting/comments/30dvfh/funny_lp_stories/

Are you serious? Your evidence is a post on reddit... from a user who made two posts? Suffice it to say,   . Isn't this how you tied to prove there was a such thing as a cookie inspector, too? 

[The True Adonis]

Are you serious? Your evidence is a post on reddit... from a user who made two posts? Suffice it to say,   . Isn't this how you tied to prove there was a such thing as a cookie inspector, too? 

What would be acceptable evidence to meet your pathetic standard?  I ask because I am sure I can easily find whatever is needed to PWN you like always.

[TheAnimal]

North Carolina

§ 15A-404.  Detention of offenders by private persons.

(a)        No Arrest; Detention Permitted. - No private person may arrest another person except as provided in G.S. 15A-405. A private person may detain another person as provided in this section.

(b)        When Detention Permitted. - A private person may detain another person when he has probable cause to believe that the person detained has committed in his presence:

(1)        A felony,

(2)        A breach of the peace,

(3)        A crime involving physical injury to another person, or

(4)        A crime involving theft or destruction of property.

(c)        Manner of Detention. - The detention must be in a reasonable manner considering the offense involved and the circumstances of the detention.

(d)       Period of Detention. - The detention may be no longer than the time required for the earliest of the following:

(1)        The determination that no offense has been committed.

(2)        Surrender of the person detained to a law-enforcement officer as provided in subsection (e).

(e)        Surrender to Officer. - A private person who detains another must immediately notify a law-enforcement officer and must, unless he releases the person earlier as required by subsection (d), surrender the person detained to the law-enforcement officer. (1973, c. 1286, s. 1.)

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-404.html

California
Penal Code Section 837

A private person may arrest another:

1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.

2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.

3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=837.

Further reading:  The Protection and Recapture of Merchandise from Shoplifters, 47 NW. U. L. Rev. 82, 90 (1952) http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1686&context=mlr

This:

They can but they also have to follow their company policy. Many stores have a hands off policy because they see it as too much of a liability.

[calfzilla]

Shoplifting laws also vary greatly state to state.

[Al Doggity]

What would be acceptable evidence to meet your pathetic standard?  I ask because I am sure I can easily find whatever is needed to PWN you like always.

You said it was illegal for security guards to detain people - presumably you meant with physical force- so post two news articles discussing a security guard being arrested or sued for detaining someone with physical force within a store .  

I will make the same offer I made when you claimed to be a cookie inspector. If you post the articles, I will change my tagline to "Adonis Owned Me"  for the next month.

Conditions for the article:
-The article must be about a security guard or store employee being arrested or sued for detaining someone with physical force, not as a result of extenuating circumstances. For instance, if the employee is sued for causing injury to the suspect, that doesn't count because even leos can be sued for causing injury during a detainment. Or if the security guard pulls a gun on a suspect and is arrested, obviously that is outside store policy.

-Article has to be presented as a reasonably legitimate news item. A blog post is fine as long as the blog is updated at least weekdaily and names the participants.


 

[The True Adonis]

You said it was illegal for security guards to detain people - presumably you meant with physical force- so post two news articles discussing a security guard being arrested or sued for detaining someone with physical force within a store .  

I will make the same offer I made when you claimed to be a cookie inspector. If you post the articles, I will change my tagline to "Adonis Owned Me"  for the next month.

Conditions for the article:
-The article must be about a security guard or store employee being arrested or sued for detaining someone with physical force, not as a result of extenuating circumstances. For instance, if the employee is sued for causing injury to the suspect, that doesn't count because even leos can be sued for causing injury during a detainment. Or if the security guard pulls a gun on a suspect and is arrested, obviously that is outside store policy.

-Article has to be presented as a reasonably legitimate news item. A blog post is fine as long as the blog is updated at least weekdaily and names the participants.


 

1. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/walmart-employees-charged-manslaughter-shoplifter-dies-article-1.2731489
Three Florida Walmart employees who detained man shoplifting DVDs charged with manslaughter after he dies


 Three employees at a Florida Walmart have been arrested in connection with the death of a shoplifter.

Nathan Higgins, 35, Crucelis Nunez, 23, and Randall Tomko, 58, were each charged with manslaughter in the death of Kenneth Wisham, 64, after he tried to leave the store with a shopping cart filled with nearly $400 worth of DVDs, police said.

"If you are shoplifting there is a result that you have to pay, it should not result in losing your life," police spokesman Sgt. Gary Gross told ABC station WFTS-TV.

On Feb. 7, employees attempted to stop Wisham from exiting the Lakeland store after he tripped the security alarm, according to the police report.


When employees asked to see his receipt, Wisham patted his pants pretending to look for one. After Wisham could not produce a receipt, he left the shopping cart and fled outside.

Tomko and Nunez chased Wisham until he fell to the ground, the report said. Tomko told police he never touched Wisham and that after he fell, he noticed he'd stopped breathing and had another employee call 911.

But Nunez said Tomko and Higgins jumped on top of Wisham after she "slightly pushed" him, the report said. Tomko lunged on top of his upper body while Higgins restrained his legs.

Wisham struggled underneath the two employees and yelled, "Get off of me. I didn't do anything."



When police arrived, the employee who called 911 was performing chest compressions on Wisham.

Wisham died from suffocation after he was forced into a position where he could not breathe, Bay News 9 reported.

An autopsy revealed he had 15 broken ribs.

[Al Doggity]

As I said in my previous post (which you quoted):

Conditions for the article:
-The article must be about a security guard or store employee being arrested or sued for detaining someone with physical force, not as a result of extenuating circumstances. For instance, if the employee is sued for causing injury to the suspect, that doesn't count because even leos can be sued for causing injury during a detainment. Or if the security guard pulls a gun on a suspect and is arrested, obviously that is outside store policy.


In the article you posted, the employees were not arrested for detaining the guy. They were arrested because the cpr they tried to do on him killed him.

[The True Adonis]

2.
https://consumerist.com/2015/09/18/cvs-employee-charged-with-assault-for-dragging-suspected-shoplifter-back-into-store/

 
CVS Employee Charged With Assault For Dragging Suspected Shoplifter Back Into Store
By Laura Northrup@lnorthrup September 18, 2015


A CVS customer tried to return some batteries without a receipt, and was told that she wouldn’t be allowed to. Oh, well: she went to leave the store with her merchandise, and an unidentified man dragged her back inside the store. He was a CVS loss prevention officer, it turns out, but she claims he didn’t identify himself.

The CVS employee took the aspiring battery-returner’s purse and merchandise, but didn’t take her phone, which is how she was able to dial 9-1-1. Her boyfriend, who was waiting in the car, also saw a man grab her and drag her back inside the store, and he followed them back in.

“I grabbed her hand and that’s when they attacked me,” her boyfriend told TV station KHOU. (Warning: auto-play video)

One would think that police would take the side of loss prevention when they arrived on the scene, but the cops watched surveillance video and ended up arresting the loss prevention officer, not the suspected shoplifter. Police said that he has been charged with assault.

CVS, in a statement, said that they’e investigating the incident:

    CVS/pharmacy has specific policies and procedures for interacting with customers who are suspected of shoplifting that are designed to protect the safety of both our employees and our customers. We are fully investigating the incident that occurred at our Westheimer Road store yesterday afternoon. The employee who was involved in this incident will be suspended pending the outcome of our investigation.

Meanwhile, the drugstore chain does accept returns without a receipt, but only if the customer provides ID and with the approval of a manager.

Local CVS employee charged with assaulting customer [KHOU] (Warning: auto-play video)

[The True Adonis]

2.
https://consumerist.com/2015/09/18/cvs-employee-charged-with-assault-for-dragging-suspected-shoplifter-back-into-store/

 
CVS Employee Charged With Assault For Dragging Suspected Shoplifter Back Into Store
By Laura Northrup@lnorthrup September 18, 2015


A CVS customer tried to return some batteries without a receipt, and was told that she wouldn’t be allowed to. Oh, well: she went to leave the store with her merchandise, and an unidentified man dragged her back inside the store. He was a CVS loss prevention officer, it turns out, but she claims he didn’t identify himself.

The CVS employee took the aspiring battery-returner’s purse and merchandise, but didn’t take her phone, which is how she was able to dial 9-1-1. Her boyfriend, who was waiting in the car, also saw a man grab her and drag her back inside the store, and he followed them back in.

“I grabbed her hand and that’s when they attacked me,” her boyfriend told TV station KHOU. (Warning: auto-play video)

One would think that police would take the side of loss prevention when they arrived on the scene, but the cops watched surveillance video and ended up arresting the loss prevention officer, not the suspected shoplifter. Police said that he has been charged with assault.

CVS, in a statement, said that they’e investigating the incident:

    CVS/pharmacy has specific policies and procedures for interacting with customers who are suspected of shoplifting that are designed to protect the safety of both our employees and our customers. We are fully investigating the incident that occurred at our Westheimer Road store yesterday afternoon. The employee who was involved in this incident will be suspended pending the outcome of our investigation.

Meanwhile, the drugstore chain does accept returns without a receipt, but only if the customer provides ID and with the approval of a manager.

Local CVS employee charged with assaulting customer [KHOU] (Warning: auto-play video)

http://www.khou.com/news/local/local-cvs-employee-charged-with-assaulting-customer/142464403
Local CVS employee charged with assaulting customer

The victim said she was wrongly accused of shoplifting at a local CVS and was assaulted by one of the employees.
Jacqueline Crea and KHOU 11 News , KHOU 11:37 PM. CDT September 17, 2015

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HOUSTON - A woman was mistakenly pegged as a shoplifter and violently dragged to a back room at a West Houston CVS store Wednesday afternoon, according to police.

Twenty-four-year-old Alexandria Benton told KHOU 11 News the incident went on for several minutes without the employee identifying himself as a Loss Prevention employee.

"I don't want to be alone with you. He said no you're going in this room and he picked me up and threw me in there," said Benton.

Benton said she was just trying to return batteries at the CVS located at S. Voss Rd near Westheimer, without a receipt. She said a store employee told her it wasn't allowed, so she decided to come back another time.

"When I got outside the door, this gentleman grabbed me and pulled me back inside," said Benton."I asked what was going on. He ripped my stuff out of my hand, my wallet and my bag."

Alexandria managed to hold on to her cell phone that she used to call 911.

Benton's boyfriend Nicholas Hamilton, who was waiting in the car, said he could see someone violently dragging Alexandria to the back of the store, so he ran inside.

"She grabbed her hand out and I didn't think about it. I grabbed her hand and that's when they attacked me," said Hamilton.

Alexandria said other employees also jumped in, and during the scuffle, the man who grabbed her, finally identified himself as a CVS Loss Prevention employee.

"I kept telling him I didn't take anything. You can ask the person at the front and he wouldn't listen to me. He kept saying stop resisting," said Benton.

After reviewing surveillance video, police decided the Loss Prevention Officer, identified as Simon Rutherford, was in the wrong and arrested and charged him with assault.

Benton and Hamilton were free to go, leaving CVS with more than they came for.

"That's the tip of his shoe. I got a burn right there," said Hamilton, as he pointed to his injuries and ripped shirt.

Turns out it wasn't the first time a store employee has roughed up a suspected shoplifter.

A shopper sent cell phone video to KHOU taken a few months back, showing a similar situation. A woman is seen screaming and being dragged to the back of the store then forced into a room. CVS did not provide comment on that incident.

Benson and her boyfriend however said they won't be going back anytime soon.

"Nobody is supposed to put their hands on you like that, maybe a police officer. But I really think he overstepped his boundaries and he hurt two innocent people that weren't trying to do anything wrong," said Benton.

The couple plans to file charges against the store. A CVS spokesperson sent this statement to KHOU 11 News:

CVS/pharmacy has specific policies and procedures for interacting with customers who are suspected of shoplifting that are designed to protect the safety of both our employees and our customers. We are fully investigating the incident that occurred at our Westheimer Road store yesterday afternoon. The employee who was involved in this incident will be suspended pending the outcome of our investigation. -Mike DeAngelis, CVS/Pharmacy Director, Public Relations

[Al Doggity]

Okay, that's one. Both of those articles are about the same incident. I would dispute it under different circumstances, but it fits the criteria I posted.

[Al Doggity]

Actually, after looking into it a little further, that story actually doesn't fit the criteria.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/cvs-employee-accused-of-assaulting-man-at-store

Authorities said the woman tried to leave the store, but was approached by Rutherford, a loss prevention employee at CVS. Officials said Rutherford demanded the woman go back into the store.

Houston police said the woman's boyfriend went inside the store to see what was happening and got into a scuffle with Rutherford. Rutherford is accused of assaulting the man.

So, the security guard wasn't arrested for detaining the woman, but for getting into a fight with the boyfriend.

So, that's 0-2.