Republicans are WORTHLESS when it comes to Healthcare

[TuHolmes]

People's health should not be a profit center.

[The True Adonis]

People's health should not be a profit center.

This.

I think it should be set up with Single Payer and then let the shitty bottom feeder Insurance companies compete with that.  Republicans and morons who think that the private insurance can do better are more than welcome to waste their money on it.

Why would they be against that solution is beyond me.

[Straw Man]

Epic 2006 talking points.

great point

I forgot that when Republicans are in control of government we stop caring about budget deficits, the national debt or sending our children,friends and family to die in pointless wars

Thanks for the reminder

[GigantorX]

Not one thing in either the ACA or whatever this new bill is that has anything to do with health care, health care delivery or the cost of health care.

It's all about insurance.

It's insane.

[Las Vegas]

Although I don't think pretty much everyone is stupid, I still think someone has zero chances in politics if they don't appeal to the masses.

I have the feeling most of them are atheist but you still hear them talk about religion all the time, even Trump does it.

The logic in some of their claims is messed up, but they will repeat them over and over again. Sometimes the really  believe they're right, sometimes they know they're wrong but won't admit it. As long as it sounds pretty, they will say it.

That's pretty much the definition of demagogy: replace what works for what sounds pretty.

We should be so lucky for them to do that.  They don't even come close.

[polychronopolous]

great point

I forgot that when Republicans are in control of government we stop caring about budget deficits, the national debt or sending our children,friends and family to die in pointless wars

Thanks for the reminder

Then start winning elections for once and learn that crippling the middle class with exorbitant insurance costs is probably not the best political move.

[TuHolmes]

Then start winning elections for once and learn that crippling the middle class with exorbitant insurance costs is probably not the best political move.

I don't think letting the poor suffer without healthcare and giving a tax break to the top 1 percent is going to do much for it either.

Weren't the Republicans in the exact same boat a few years back which is why we have crappy ass Obamacare in the first place, which ended up also being a big boon to the healthcare insurance companies.

[polychronopolous]

I don't think letting the poor suffer without healthcare and giving a tax break to the top 1 percent is going to do much for it either.

Weren't the Republicans in the exact same boat a few years back which is why we have crappy ass Obamacare in the first place, which ended up also being a big boon to the healthcare insurance companies.

You haven't been reading the testimonials of fellow getbiggers who have seen their premiums double, triple and quadruple since the horrendous law Obamacare was put into place?

Democrats live in complete denial in regards to the hurt they have inflicted upon this country.

[HockeyFightFan]

I don't think letting the poor suffer without healthcare and giving a tax break to the top 1 percent is going to do much for it either.

Weren't the Republicans in the exact same boat a few years back which is why we have crappy ass Obamacare in the first place, which ended up also being a big boon to the healthcare insurance companies.

Preach it bru...

5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs in the U.S.

So explain to me why I should pay one cent for the 600 lb fat fuck who spends 6 months a year in the hospital, has $1,000 a month in prescriptions, and has daily nurse visits?

Fuck Obama, Obamacare, and any idiot who would support it!!!!

[TuHolmes]

You haven't been reading the testimonials of fellow getbiggers who have seen their premiums double, triple and quadruple since the horrendous law Obamacare was put into place?

Democrats live in complete denial in regards to the hurt they have inflicted upon this country.

I have, I didn't think Obamacare was great myself. It didn't affect me too much, but that's me... I've always said that. Maybe I'm special and it just didn't impact me as much as it did everyone else.

Although, with the getbiggers being a bunch of millionaire's I expect they can survive a little extra tax for helping the poor people live longer.

Let's not joke for a second and be real, isn't the absolute most cost effective method for healthcare, in reality, single payer? Everyone pays in and the cost is what it is.

Isn't a big part of the problem the fact that the insurance companies are again, as I've stated, a profit center on the backs of people's health?

5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs in the U.S.

So explain to me why I should pay one cent for the 600 lb fat fuck who spends 6 months a year in the hospital, has $1,000 a month in prescriptions, and has daily nurse visits?

It may be that 5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs, but that's not a 600 lb fat fuck... Most of the cost is for old people and babies. They are the most sick and you can judge a society by how they protect their elders.

I'll leave it at that.

[The True Adonis]

Not one thing in either the ACA or whatever this new bill is that has anything to do with health care, health care delivery or the cost of health care.

It's all about insurance.

It's insane.

Because Insurance companies are the sole dictators and Republicans LOVE it and so do Democrats.

[HockeyFightFan]

I have, I didn't think Obamacare was great myself. It didn't affect me too much, but that's me... I've always said that. Maybe I'm special and it just didn't impact me as much as it did everyone else.

Although, with the getbiggers being a bunch of millionaire's I expect they can survive a little extra tax for helping the poor people live longer.

Let's not joke for a second and be real, isn't the absolute most cost effective method for healthcare, in reality, single payer? Everyone pays in and the cost is what it is.

Isn't a big part of the problem the fact that the insurance companies are again, as I've stated, a profit center on the backs of people's health?

It may be that 5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs, but that's not a 600 lb fat fuck... Most of the cost is for old people and babies. They are the most sick and you can judge a society by how they protect their elders.

I'll leave it at that.

If you're family elders get sick, why should I pay for their care?

[Mobil]

Because Insurance companies are the sole dictators and Republicans LOVE it and so do Democrats.

So let's stop this corporate greed...they have too much power...they are the oil companies of medical..they can't be brought down

[Mobil]

Preach it bru...

5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs in the U.S.

So explain to me why I should pay one cent for the 600 lb fat fuck who spends 6 months a year in the hospital, has $1,000 a month in prescriptions, and has daily nurse visits?

Fuck Obama, Obamacare, and any idiot who would support it!!!!

I agree as well....you deal your cards in life deal with it...no free handouts...when I'm backed in a corner and have to make sacrifices to survive I do it...i don't ask for help...close family I've had to In the past...need to get rid of this "victim" status or help Me help me attitude...i was raised that way...

[Coach is Back!]

lol...just to be clear. Socialism good (single payer, lack of care ) competition (capitalism) bad?  

[Mobil]

How about us quit bitching and moaning and groaning...and do something...4chan members do

[local hero]

lol...just to be clear. Socialism good (single payer, lack of care ) competition (capitalism) bad?  

When it comes to health care making profits shouldn't come before peoples lives...

[Top Poodle]

When it comes to health care making profits shouldn't come before peoples lives...

then why the hell would anybody be in the industry?  pure altruism?

 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Let's talk about single payer.  Say the GOP made their plan single payer. Where will you go when you're injured ? Hospital right? Did you know American hospitals are private. In single payer countries the hospitals are gov funded.  Here in the USA kaiser, sharp, Scripps etc are all private.  They exist because of the deal they have with insurance companies and bullshit things they charge for.  Enabling single payer also means buying out all hospitals.  Doctors who are getting millions of dollars won't anymore. Think they'll want to stick around ?

[Conker]

The only people that like Obama care are the millions who were suddenly eligible for medicaid that previously weren't.  Middle class working families are being forced to buy insurance that costs more than their monthly mortgage bill for insurance they can't use because of the high deductible. Tired of the close to 30 million newly eligible for (welfare insurance) called medicaid. Premiums are rising at an incredible rate. Insurance companies are dropping out in droves because they can't turn a profit. Soon there is a rising rate of fines as time goes on for people who don't get insurance.  Imagine your whole tax return not coming because you didn't pay for outrageously priced insurance?  People lost their doctors who didn't participate in the new Obama care plan they were forced to buy. Others on average saw their premium go up 5K  a year. The architect of Obama care is even caught on tape saying people will go for Obama care because they are stupid. How did we manage before Obama? It was a hell of a lot better situation than we are in now with Obamacare.

The new bill will eliminate the mandate that everyone has to buy insurance. That's a start. It will limit the welfare Medicaid back to the old standards. No medicaid isn't free. Someone has to pay that bill and it's the dwindling ranks of the American workers taxes. Estimated costs of Obama care is one Trillion dollars. The is a bill that America can't pay.

wrong . the main difference between US healthcare and the majority of european countries is that we don't have insurance companies taking a huge chunk out of the pie.

it's not exactly rocket science. what's cheaper paying directly to healthcare providers or paying insurance companies to pay providers after taking a fat cut for themselves.

for the % of gdp the US spends on healthcare you should have the best universal healthcare system in the world.

[stuntmovie]

I have yet to read much of the above, but I get VA medical benefits so I know absolutely nothing about any other US Health Care Plan ... But ...

I help fiends with their US Federal Taxes (which I know a lot about) and have recently discovered (using Turbotax - which is a damn good federal tax program by the way) that if an individual is not covered by any health insurance program, the IRS will require that individual to pay something like $80 for each month of the year that he does not have health insurance.

The above estimated figure is based on one individual tax-payer with no dependents so it will increase based on one's marriage situation  and number of dependents.  (That estimated figure ... I have forgotten.)

But the $80 monthly health insurance payment does not seem excessive to me.

And that is all I know about health insurance within the USA.

What am I missing here?

Is there some average monthly fee that the majority of USA citizens caN afford to pay each month? And how many US companies pay some part of this monthly health fee on behalf of  their employees?

I are dumb when it comes to this health insurance topic.

[mazrim]

You haven't been reading the testimonials of fellow getbiggers who have seen their premiums double, triple and quadruple since the horrendous law Obamacare was put into place?

Democrats live in complete denial in regards to the hurt they have inflicted upon this country.

Agree. It is somehow morally ok that the government wants to take from us to give to others. It is not. They degrade those who do provide so they can no longer provide as well for their own families, etc.

[mazrim]

Let's talk about single payer.  Say the GOP made their plan single payer. Where will you go when you're injured ? Hospital right? Did you know American hospitals are private. In single payer countries the hospitals are gov funded.  Here in the USA kaiser, sharp, Scripps etc are all private.  They exist because of the deal they have with insurance companies and bullshit things they charge for.  Enabling single payer also means buying out all hospitals.  Doctors who are getting millions of dollars won't anymore. Think they'll want to stick around ?

Not a good system.

[oldschoolfan]

Preach it bru...

5% of the population cause 50% of the health care costs in the U.S.

So explain to me why I should pay one cent for the 600 lb fat fuck who spends 6 months a year in the hospital, has $1,000 a month in prescriptions, and has daily nurse visits?

Fuck Obama, Obamacare, and any idiot who would support it!!!!

you have a great point there, i worked in a hospital for several years, saw the same people all the time.   if you take care of yourself you basically get fucked and have to pay for something you barely use

[el numero uno]

When it comes to health care, making profits shouldn't come before peoples lives...

Easier said than done. Unfortunately, medicine is pretty expensive.

It takes A LOT of money to send someone to medical school, wheter the family or the goverment is paying for it.

You need buildings, doctors, medical equipment (x rays, dialysis machines, etc), nurses, janitors, guards, etc, etc, etc. They all have to be paid.

And Health Professionals HAVE TO charge a lot. They are highly intelligent, conscientiousness individuals who have invested so much time and money, and create so much value by diagnosing and treating diseases. They're not dime a dozen, moderate supply and high demand = high prices.

I'm not saying universal healthcare is wrong, but I don't think the subject it's as easy as some people/politicians claim it is.