Republicans are WORTHLESS when it comes to Healthcare

[TuHolmes]

If you're family elders get sick, why should I pay for their care?

It's called living in society.

Why should I pay for your fear of outside people taking over the country?

Same thing. I pay for defense even though I don't think it's worth what we pay. I pay for roads I don't drive on. I pay for all kinds of things I don't use.

It's called living in a society.

What sort of myopic question is that? You can use that question in almost every thing the government does.

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

I'm now in my late 50's. I started my hazardous area controls system business many years ago, working in the oil and gas industries, and sold a majority of equity to a big firm a few years ago in a multi million £ deal. I retain a minority share and I am making a huge dividend because they diversified into whiskey and gin distillery opportunities which are thriving. I have a 5500 square foot house in Scotland and a 4000 square foot house in Florida which I am aloud to spend 3 months at a time in.

I pay taxes in the UK which allows everyone to gain free medical care. I do not grudge a single penny because my employees and their children benefit. I fully understand that 90% of the worlds population are lazy and lack ambition but if we didn't have healthy workers willing to take $12 and hour we capitalists would not have a workforce.

Incidentally, a person earning $50,000 a year in the UK pays around 25% total tax (tax and national insurance) so we are not a high tax economy. Doctors make around $150,000 a year.  If they want more there is a thriving private patient industry here.

Bottom line,  Americans (and I consider myself one for a quarter of each year) are complete mugs for allowing the ruling classes to rip them off. 200 years ago a lot of clever Scots settled in America (Carnegie and Pilkerton etc) and they worked out a way to fleece the common idiot. It still goes on today.

[Ron Jeremy]

Google Wendell Potter.

[Coach is Back!]

When it comes to health care making profits shouldn't come before peoples lives...

To my point...

[The True Adonis]

It's called living in society.

Why should I pay for your fear of outside people taking over the country?

Same thing. I pay for defense even though I don't think it's worth what we pay. I pay for roads I don't drive on. I pay for all kinds of things I don't use.

It's called living in a society.

What sort of myopic question is that? You can use that question in almost every thing the government does.

EXACTLY.

[The True Adonis]

It's called living in society.

Why should I pay for your fear of outside people taking over the country?

Same thing. I pay for defense even though I don't think it's worth what we pay. I pay for roads I don't drive on. I pay for all kinds of things I don't use.

It's called living in a society.

What sort of myopic question is that? You can use that question in almost every thing the government does.

The other funny thing is that these people don`t realize that they ALREADY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!  How the hell do they think Private Insurance works?

The level of stupidity is astounding.

[Coach is Back!]

The other funny thing is that these people don`t realize that they ALREADY ARE PAYING FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!  How the hell do they think Private Insurance works?

The level of stupidity is astounding.

Sure it is. Take the competition out of health care and you totally remove the "care" part. Comparing a country that has a 1/3 of population of the US and thinking it's going to work here is an utterly retarded concept. Socialism doesn't and won't ever work and has failed miserably time and time again. Done. Jesus Christ.

[Coach is Back!]

EXACTLY.

And don't vote for trump then post a video of that whack job Sanders. If you think his philosophy is better than what I just posted of Friedman, then you have issues.


It's like graduating with an degree in Econ from UCLA then voting for Sanders. It's beyond logic and shows the agenda of the University(ies)

[Eric2]

Health care mAde simple. If you want the government to regulate it, i.e. pay for it with the tax dollars of hard working Americans. Then this should be the rules. If you are an alcoholic drug addicted asshole then zero coverage. Fuck you, nobody really care about you. If your a female and your knees are so far apart your vagina is open from spread out pussy lips waiting for dick, then fuck off. If you are a black bastard still crying about slavery and hooked on drugs, fuck you too.
 In other words if you are working and doings so everyday then you have a voice. F not then go fuck yourself.

[The True Adonis]

Sure it is. Take the competition out of health care and you totally remove the "care" part. Comparing a country that has a 1/3 of population of the US and thinking it's going to work here is an utterly retarded concept. Socialism doesn't and won't ever work and has failed miserably time and time again. Done. Jesus Christ.

Population DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.  Its spending per capita, per person that matters.  How do you not understand that?  And you call yourself a fiscal conservative.  Give me a break. 

[The True Adonis]

And don't vote for trump then post a video of that whack job Sanders. If you think his philosophy is better than what I just posted of Friedman, then you have issues.


It's like graduating with an degree in Econ from UCLA then voting for Sanders. It's beyond logic and shows the agenda of the University(ies)

Trump happens to support SINGLE PAYER as Bernie does.  He told the Australian Prime Minister just this week that their Healthcare System is better than ours and probably better than what is proposed.

Want me to post all the videos of Trump supporting Single Payer Healthcare? 

[Coach is Back!]

Trump happens to support SINGLE PAYER as Bernie does.  He told the Australian Prime Minister just this week that their Healthcare System is better than ours and probably better than what is proposed.

Want me to post all the videos of Trump supporting Single Payer Healthcare?  

You can post a million videos if you want, he obviously didn't propose it while putting this latest one together where he was personally involved in the negotiations.

I don't and probably you don't know the details of Australias health care systems. I'm sure the context of what he was saying was compared to Obamacare in which I agree. Obamacare was based on a TOTAL lie.

[TuHolmes]

Population DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.  Its spending per capita, per person that matters.  How do you not understand that?  And you call yourself a fiscal conservative.  Give me a break. 

Quite correct.

It is fiscally conservative to support lowering the cost as a whole and having a stronger more capable to work nation because of it.

The more healthy people are, the more productive they are.

[Coach is Back!]

Population DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.  Its spending per capita, per person that matters.  How do you not understand that?  And you call yourself a fiscal conservative.  Give me a break.  

What I don't call myself is a socialist and yes, total population does matter. But go ahead and fight for your cause.

[mazrim]

This is good. Finally making these guys take some accountability, though they are so rich it won't really matter to them except being "bothersome" in reality:

https://mcsally.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/house-unanimously-passes-mcsally-bill-striking-ahca-exemptions-members

[funk51]

i got two letters in the mail yesterday..one basically telling me that health insurance is going to suck in 2017 and beyond. and the other was from donald trump asking for money from me once again...... this is the third such letter from president trump asking for my financial support..... this is unusual as no president before ever sent a personal letter to me asking for money...

[Conker]

I'm now in my late 50's. I started my hazardous area controls system business many years ago, working in the oil and gas industries, and sold a majority of equity to a big firm a few years ago in a multi million £ deal. I retain a minority share and I am making a huge dividend because they diversified into whiskey and gin distillery opportunities which are thriving. I have a 5500 square foot house in Scotland and a 4000 square foot house in Florida which I am aloud to spend 3 months at a time in.

I pay taxes in the UK which allows everyone to gain free medical care. I do not grudge a single penny because my employees and their children benefit. I fully understand that 90% of the worlds population are lazy and lack ambition but if we didn't have healthy workers willing to take $12 and hour we capitalists would not have a workforce.

Incidentally, a person earning $50,000 a year in the UK pays around 25% total tax (tax and national insurance) so we are not a high tax economy. Doctors make around $150,000 a year.  If they want more there is a thriving private patient industry here.

Bottom line,  Americans (and I consider myself one for a quarter of each year) are complete mugs for allowing the ruling classes to rip them off. 200 years ago a lot of clever Scots settled in America (Carnegie and Pilkerton etc) and they worked out a way to fleece the common idiot. It still goes on today.

when you read threads like this you realise how dim the average american is. it's like listening to the gun control debate. the solution is ridiculously simple but the masses are hoodwinked by multi billion $ industries.

you do not need insurance companies in the mainstream healthcare system. they're just a very expensive and unnecessary middle man.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Sure it is. Take the competition out of health care and you totally remove the "care" part. Comparing a country that has a 1/3 of population of the US and thinking it's going to work here is an utterly retarded concept. Socialism doesn't and won't ever work and has failed miserably time and time again. Done. Jesus Christ.

Move along, the adults are having a discussion.

[Coach is Back!]

Look no further than the VA for an example of Government ran health care without competition. Luckily Trump changed that as well.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/19/donald-trump-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-program/

[TuHolmes]

Look no further than the VA for an example of Government ran health care without competition. Luckily Trump changed that as well.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/19/donald-trump-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-program/

All he did was allow the people to go to a private hospital if they live in a more rural area where there's no VA hospital.

The plan, the service, the payment, and the administration are still completely the VA.

So what exactly did Trump eliminate?

Answer.

Nothing.



It's over your head though. Well, because you're you.

[Coach is Back!]

All he did was allow the people to go to a private hospital if they live in a more rural area where there's no VA hospital.

The plan, the service, the payment, and the administration are still completely the VA.

So what exactly did Trump eliminate?

Answer.

Nothing.



It's over your head though. Well, because you're you.

That's pretty good considering you probably didn't even know this existed before I posted it. It gives them a choice as before they were stuck in basically a death system. It's really not hard to figure you out. Even though you call yourself a "Libertarian" you fall well to the left of center while trying to come off unbiased. You're for a single payer system (socialist) youre for legalizing all drugs, etc etc. I'm sure there are shit load of other agendas that would place in a category of left which you fight on issues that clearly would never work in country of 320+ million people. For fucks sake you voted for that dimwit Gary Johnson.  

[TuHolmes]

That's pretty good considering you probably didn't even know this existed before I posted it. It gives them a choice as before they were stuck in basically a death system. It's really not hard to figure you out. Even though you call yourself a "Libertarian" you fall well to the left of center while trying to come off unbiased. You're for a single payer system (socialist) youre for legalizing all drugs, etc etc. I'm sure there are shit load of other agendas that would place in a category of left which you fight on issues that clearly would never work in country of 320+ million people. For fucks sake you voted for that dimwit Gary Johnson.  

Actually. I knew more about it than you did before you posted.

I'm for letting the market decide what's right. The market if left to its own devices on healthcare would crumble. That's just reality.

That's just reality.  Being for legalizing drugs is a completely libertarian stance and not left at all.

It's more fiscally responsible than you or the democrats because it would stop pushing money into a failed war on drugs.

You're a false conservative. Let's pump money into wars. Pump money into the police state. Pump money into  healthcare in the form of the illusion of capitalism. All of which are expensive and take more of your money.

For a self perported Christian you surely don't act very Christ like and for the most part have nothing aligned with Christianity except for you enjoying calling yourself one.

You can't argue a single thing I've stated.

On healthcare a health nation is a more productive one. No argument from you.

On drugs. You can't argue my points.

Keep on talking about my politics doesn't change yours. You're the one fooling yourself with false conservativism. Not me.

Johnson has more intelligence while high than you will ever have. He was a successful governor and by all accounts was quite good at his job.

Talking shit about Johnson doesn't fix your fuckups though. You're the one who keeps wanting someone else to fix something instead of doing it yourself.

Whined about a President for 8 fucking years. Still whining. I can't wait to see how much more whining about a President you're doing well into 2020.

Keep it up.

[jude2]

Allowing people choices and to goto private hospital is a really good thing. These poor Vets had to drive for hours to get shitty services and take all day.

[polychronopolous]

Actually. I knew more about it than you did before you posted.

I'm for letting the market decide what's right. The market if left to its own devices on healthcare would crumble. That's just reality.

That's just reality.  Being for legalizing drugs is a completely libertarian stance and not left at all.

It's more fiscally responsible than you or the democrats because it would stop pushing money into a failed war on drugs.

You're a false conservative. Let's pump money into wars. Pump money into the police state. Pump money into  healthcare in the form of the illusion of capitalism. All of which are expensive and take more of your money.

For a self perported Christian you surely don't act very Christ like and for the most part have nothing aligned with Christianity except for you enjoying calling yourself one.

You can't argue a single thing I've stated.

On healthcare a health nation is a more productive one. No argument from you.

On drugs. You can't argue my points.

Keep on talking about my politics doesn't change yours. You're the one fooling yourself with false conservativism. Not me.

Johnson has more intelligence while high than you will ever have. He was a successful governor and by all accounts was quite good at his job.

Talking shit about Johnson doesn't fix your fuckups though. You're the one who keeps wanting someone else to fix something instead of doing it yourself.

Whined about a President for 8 fucking years. Still whining. I can't wait to see how much more whining about a President you're doing well into 2020.

Keep it up.

Gary Johnson would still be a million times better than Hillary or anything the Democrats have to put up but damn, I sure hope The Libertarian Party can find somebody with better campaigning skills to lead their platform going forward.

[Straw Man]

Then start winning elections for once and learn that crippling the middle class with exorbitant insurance costs is probably not the best political move.

I agree

middle class and lower/upper class should all have non-exorbitant health insurance

now all we have to agree on is how to collect and spend money (you know for the country as a whole)

we all want the same thing

right?