"Experts" say everyone is on the same amount of gear

[Oliver Klaushof]

You always here supposed "insiders" and "gurus" proclaiming,"ALL PROS ARE USING THE SAME GEAR AND DOSAGES BLAH BLAH BLAH." But do you think someone like Melvin is putting the same amount of stuff in his body as a Jay or a Coleman? Priest claims he doesn't use test or GH. Is this strictly genetics? It might be easy to say yes, but remember how small Coleman was when he started out - was the freakish size increase due to training or did he finally find the right cocktail?

[benchthis]

food+ gear x  food x gear +food = ronnie coleman

[LuciusFox]

 Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that  Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.

[benchthis]

and of coarse always stick to the Weider principles

[Mr. Intenseone]

Exept for Lee....he's just taking Deca !

[LuciusFox]

and of coarse always stick to the Weider principles

 Definitely stick to those. If you don't, you are in uncharted territory. I still can't believe he thought of all those by himself. Very impressive.

[Disgusted]

food+ gear x  food x gear +food = ronnie coleman

SH#$T!!! and all this time I was doing food + gear + food x gear - lifting.  

[Oliver Klaushof]

Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that  Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.

I will assume you are not joking for now. How do you explain Tom Prince and Craig Titus? But that's another thread. It's been done. The percentage is much higher.

The question is - are all these guys really using the same gear and the same dosages. I wonder how Darrem Charles or Melvin's medicine cabinet compares to Ronnie and Jay. 

[LuciusFox]

I will assume you are not joking for now. How do you explain Tom Prince and Craig Titus? But that's another thread. It's been done. The percentage is much higher.

The question is - are all these guys really using the same gear and the same dosages. I wonder how Darrem Charles or Melvin's medicine cabinet compares to Ronnie and Jay. 

 Tom Prince says he was 230 at 5-7, before juicing. Those are his words, so don't blame me if he was lying. Titus only lost weight because he was supposedly on crystal meth and changed his eating habits.

[benchthis]

titus only get three meals a day now 

[LuciusFox]

titus only get three meals a day now 

 That was a low blow

[thisiskeith12]

I think if they are willing to come out with the fact they actually take/took steroids, they wouldn't hide the true amounts.

[Oliver Klaushof]

Exept for Lee....he's just taking Deca !

That's what he says. If so, he is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder out there. More so than Coleman or Cormier. He doesn't have a GH gut 

[LuciusFox]

That's what he says. If so, he is the most genetically gifted bodybuilder out there. More so than Coleman or Cormier. He doesn't have a GH gut 

 Look how big Lee was when he was younger. He is proof that steroids add only 5-10%.

[Garmonbozia]

As much as 5%??!
I would say that it`s hardly more than a couple of % for most IFBB pros

[luc]

It's a matter of how the body is responding to gear. I know guys who obtained a lot more with small amounts than others who were using much higher doses. There is no such thing as small amounts users between pros, it's only "high" or "very high".

[puredrive]

actually, i have never heard any insider or person in the know ever make the claim that all pros use the same amounts. if anything, i have heard a hundred times that every pro and every bodybuilder is different and that what works for one wouldnt work for another. each person has their own favorites and does their own thing. some are heavy into growth and insulin and IGF. others are heavy into the basics of test, deca, and dbol. every person is different.

[JasonH]

5-10% my arse.

I lifted for nine years without touching gear and I made some decent gains but when I went "on" I added about 50% to my lifts and my lean weight increased by 25lbs. I will never be a pro and I was hardly taking anything but some of these pros are taking four or five times as much as I ever did - the bottom line if you want to talk percentages, gear gives you an edge of about 40-50% over a natural trainer if not more.

[Mars]

Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that  Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.

You obvious don't know where you are talking about.
Maybe 5-10 % with an creatine cycle.

[dontknowit]

Don Youngblood anyone?

If his use are only real for half, it's an insane amount.

But I do believe some people react better on the stuff than others,
so despite taking the same amount, one get's bigger than the other.

[ToxicAvenger]

I think if they are willing to come out with the fact they actually take/took steroids, they wouldn't hide the true amounts.

yeah they would...

the lower the amount..the better their genetics!

[JasonH]

Exactly - and the only time you'll ever see a pro give the true amount of what they take is when they get busted by the feds and they have to say it was all for "personal use" otherwise they would be seen as dealers, not users.

[Overload]

Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that  Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.

So spending 15k on gear/gh for contest prep is just a finishing touch?

Interesting.

 

[sarcasm]

Steroids are a finishing touch. They add only 5-10% to a physique, so it doesn't surprise me that  Lee, like most pros, uses only a moderate amount. They mostly just complement training and nutrition programs, the same way a tan does.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Special Ed]

Not that you have any credibility, but saying steroids add 5-10% renders all of your future posts wholly irrelevant.

Special "90-95%" Ed