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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #850 on: January 10, 2019, 06:16:42 PM »
Presidential elections are next year.  Next year.  Expect a lot of dirty tricks, all kinds of dirty tricks, between now and then.
This. Many slanderous stories to be "breaking news" over the next year. ::)




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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #851 on: January 10, 2019, 07:14:03 PM »
8 Fake News Stories Being Peddled About Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea
Following Michael Cohen’s surprise guilty plea, the media and critics of the president wasted no time pushing collusion narratives, conspiracy theories, and outright falsehoods.
By Margot Cleveland
DECEMBER 3, 2018


TinHat Man, Agnostic and Prime all believed this as gospel  ::)
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #852 on: January 15, 2019, 03:19:00 PM »
The Deep State hard at work.  Buried deep in this story is this:  "No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials."

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.
By Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos
Jan. 11, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #853 on: January 16, 2019, 02:16:54 PM »
TinHat Man, Agnostic and Prime all believed this as gospel  ::)

You have no idea what I believe or don't believe.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #854 on: January 16, 2019, 02:20:40 PM »
The Deep State hard at work.  Buried deep in this story is this:  "No evidence has emerged publicly that Mr. Trump was secretly in contact with or took direction from Russian government officials."

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.
By Adam Goldman, Michael S. Schmidt and Nicholas Fandos
Jan. 11, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html


If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #855 on: January 16, 2019, 03:31:12 PM »
If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.
How many years should it take to find evidence?
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #856 on: January 16, 2019, 04:46:35 PM »
If there is evidence of wrong doing by Trump, it won't be released until there's certainty that Trump can be charged and convicted or impeached....leaks aside.

You believe that if they had any evidence that Trump was a Russian Manchurian Candidate that it is being held by "tight ship" Mueller?  That's pretty funny.   :)

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #857 on: January 18, 2019, 04:16:40 PM »
What Bruce Ohr Told the FBI
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
JANUARY 17, 2019

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified...

Justice Department official Bruce Ohr arrives for a congressional hearing in Washington, D.C., Aug. 28, 2018.Photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven. “When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified. “I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

He said he told them that Mr. Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected,” and that his own wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which compiled the dossier. He confirmed sounding all these warnings before the FBI filed its October application for a surveillance warrant against Carter Page. We broke some of this in August, though the transcript provides new detail.

The FBI and Justice Department have gone to extraordinary lengths to muddy these details, with cover from Democrats and friendly journalists. A January 2017 memo from Adam Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, flatly (and incorrectly) insisted “the FBI’s closely-held investigative team only received Steele’s reporting in mid-September.” A May 2018 New York Times report repeated that claim, saying Mr. Steele’s reports didn’t reach the “Crossfire Hurricane team,” which ran the counterintelligence investigation, until “mid-September.”

This line was essential for upholding the claim that the dossier played no role in the unprecedented July 31, 2016, decision to investigate a presidential campaign. Former officials have insisted they rushed to take this dramatic step on the basis of a conversation involving a low-level campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, which took place in May, before the dossier officially came into the picture. And maybe that is the case. Yet now Mr. Ohr has testified that top personnel had dossier details around the time they opened the probe.

The Ohr testimony is also further evidence that the FBI misled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in its Page warrant application. We already knew the bureau failed to inform the court it knew the dossier had come from a rival campaign. But the FISA application additionally claimed the FBI was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to Mr. Steele, that he was “reliable,” that his “reporting” in this case was “credible.” and that the FBI only “speculates” that Mr. Steele’s bosses “likely” wanted to “discredit” Mr. Trump.

Speculates? Likely? Mr. Ohr makes clear FBI and Justice officials knew from the earliest days that Mr. Steele was working for the Clinton campaign, which had an obvious desire to discredit Mr. Trump. And Mr. Ohr specifically told investigators that they had every reason to worry Mr. Steele’s work product was tainted.

This testimony has two other implications. First, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans’ memo of 2018—which noted Mr. Ohr’s role and pointed out that the FBI had not been honest about its knowledge of the dossier and failed to inform the court of Mrs. Ohr’s employment at Fusion GPS. The testimony also destroys any remaining credibility of the Democratic response, in which Mr. Schiff and his colleagues claimed Mr. Ohr hadn’t met with the FBI or told them anything about his wife or about Mr. Steele’s bias until after the election.

Second, the testimony raises new concerns about Mr. Mueller’s team. Critics have noted Mr. Weissman’s donations to Mrs. Clinton and his unseemly support of former acting Attorney General Sally Yates’s obstruction of Trump orders. It now turns out that senior Mueller players were central to the dossier scandal. The conflicts of interest boggle the mind.

The Ohr testimony is evidence the FBI itself knows how seriously it erred. The FBI has been hiding and twisting facts from the start.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #858 on: January 19, 2019, 04:26:11 PM »
Wow


What Bruce Ohr Told the FBI
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
JANUARY 17, 2019

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified...

Justice Department official Bruce Ohr arrives for a congressional hearing in Washington, D.C., Aug. 28, 2018.Photo: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

Everybody knew. Everybody of consequence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department understood fully in the middle of 2016—as the FBI embarked on its counterintelligence probe of Donald Trump—that it was doing so based on disinformation provided by Hillary Clinton’s campaign. That’s the big revelation from the transcript of the testimony Justice Department official Bruce Ohr gave Congress in August. The transcripts haven’t been released, but parts were confirmed for me by congressional sources.

Mr. Ohr testified that he sat down with dossier author Christopher Steele on July 30, 2016, and received salacious information the opposition researcher had compiled on Mr. Trump. Mr. Ohr immediately took that to the FBI’s then-Deputy Director Andy McCabe and lawyer Lisa Page. In August he took it to Peter Strzok, the bureau’s lead investigator. In the same month, Mr. Ohr believes, he briefed senior personnel in the Justice Department’s criminal division: Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz, lawyer Zainab Ahmad and fraud unit head Andrew Weissman. The last two now work for special counsel Robert Mueller.

More important, Mr. Ohr told this team the information came from the Clinton camp and warned that it was likely biased, certainly unproven. “When I provided [the Steele information] to the FBI, I tried to be clear that this is source information,” he testified. “I don’t know how reliable it is. You’re going to have to check it out and be aware. These guys were hired by somebody relating to—who’s related to the Clinton campaign, and be aware.”

He said he told them that Mr. Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected,” and that his own wife, Nellie Ohr, worked for Fusion GPS, which compiled the dossier. He confirmed sounding all these warnings before the FBI filed its October application for a surveillance warrant against Carter Page. We broke some of this in August, though the transcript provides new detail.

The FBI and Justice Department have gone to extraordinary lengths to muddy these details, with cover from Democrats and friendly journalists. A January 2017 memo from Adam Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, flatly (and incorrectly) insisted “the FBI’s closely-held investigative team only received Steele’s reporting in mid-September.” A May 2018 New York Times report repeated that claim, saying Mr. Steele’s reports didn’t reach the “Crossfire Hurricane team,” which ran the counterintelligence investigation, until “mid-September.”

This line was essential for upholding the claim that the dossier played no role in the unprecedented July 31, 2016, decision to investigate a presidential campaign. Former officials have insisted they rushed to take this dramatic step on the basis of a conversation involving a low-level campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, which took place in May, before the dossier officially came into the picture. And maybe that is the case. Yet now Mr. Ohr has testified that top personnel had dossier details around the time they opened the probe.

The Ohr testimony is also further evidence that the FBI misled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in its Page warrant application. We already knew the bureau failed to inform the court it knew the dossier had come from a rival campaign. But the FISA application additionally claimed the FBI was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to Mr. Steele, that he was “reliable,” that his “reporting” in this case was “credible.” and that the FBI only “speculates” that Mr. Steele’s bosses “likely” wanted to “discredit” Mr. Trump.

Speculates? Likely? Mr. Ohr makes clear FBI and Justice officials knew from the earliest days that Mr. Steele was working for the Clinton campaign, which had an obvious desire to discredit Mr. Trump. And Mr. Ohr specifically told investigators that they had every reason to worry Mr. Steele’s work product was tainted.

This testimony has two other implications. First, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans’ memo of 2018—which noted Mr. Ohr’s role and pointed out that the FBI had not been honest about its knowledge of the dossier and failed to inform the court of Mrs. Ohr’s employment at Fusion GPS. The testimony also destroys any remaining credibility of the Democratic response, in which Mr. Schiff and his colleagues claimed Mr. Ohr hadn’t met with the FBI or told them anything about his wife or about Mr. Steele’s bias until after the election.

Second, the testimony raises new concerns about Mr. Mueller’s team. Critics have noted Mr. Weissman’s donations to Mrs. Clinton and his unseemly support of former acting Attorney General Sally Yates’s obstruction of Trump orders. It now turns out that senior Mueller players were central to the dossier scandal. The conflicts of interest boggle the mind.

The Ohr testimony is evidence the FBI itself knows how seriously it erred. The FBI has been hiding and twisting facts from the start.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #859 on: January 22, 2019, 08:41:21 PM »
Beyond BuzzFeed: The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump/Russia Story
Glenn Greenwald
January 20 2019
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #860 on: January 22, 2019, 08:52:26 PM »
Too bad that federal workers aren't Russian oligarchs,then maybe Trumptard would actually care about them.

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What’s Really Going on with Trump and the Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska?
A sanctions deal cut by the Treasury Dept. provides “Putin’s favorite industrialist” with “hundreds of millions” in debt relief


When President Trump’s Treasury Department proposed lifting sanctions on companies tied to the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in December Secretary Steven Mnuchin vowed that the firms would be forced to “significantly diminish Deripaska’s ownership and sever his control.”

But, the New York Times is now reporting that Treasury’s promises were illusory: “The deal contains provisions that free [Deripaska] from hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while leaving him and his allies with majority ownership of his most important company.”

Publicly, Treasury insisted Deripaksa would receive no cash from the companies that reduced his ownership stake. But citing a confidential Treasury document, the Times reveals that Deripaska is instead being rewarded with the cancellation of bank debt that had been secured with shares of the stock he is losing. Moreover, according to the Times, Deripaska and his allies will retain collective control of the company that holds the majority stake in the aluminum giant Rusal, whose shares have surged on the lifting of sanctions.

The former U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, argues that even if the restructuring had been on the level, the Trump approach misses the point of sanctions, which are meant to weaken Putin’s hold on power, not improve corporate governance.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/deripaska-trump-782332/

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #861 on: January 22, 2019, 09:16:57 PM »
Too bad that federal workers aren't Russian oligarchs,then maybe Trumptard would actually care about them.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/deripaska-trump-782332/

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #862 on: January 22, 2019, 09:29:41 PM »
You’re quoting Rolling Stone? Aaa hahahahaha hahaha

jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #863 on: January 23, 2019, 01:17:01 AM »
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good


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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #864 on: January 23, 2019, 03:36:48 PM »
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

You love Mother Russia so it's all good

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #865 on: January 23, 2019, 06:01:06 PM »
jesus christ you really are a fucking moron

if you knew how to read you would see the source is the New York Times

anyway, who cares right

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #866 on: January 24, 2019, 03:27:23 PM »
You believe that if they had any evidence that Trump was a Russian Manchurian Candidate that it is being held by "tight ship" Mueller?  That's pretty funny.   :)

Anonymous leaks aside, all of us will just have to wait and see what shakes out. How funny is that?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #867 on: January 24, 2019, 03:39:58 PM »
Anonymous leaks aside, all of us will just have to wait and see what shakes out. How funny is that?

Except for those of us who understand Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the most preposterous political conspiracy theory in American history. 

But that hasn't stopped some of my very smart friends from hoping Mueller has evidence of a conspiracy.  It's crazy. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #868 on: January 24, 2019, 04:30:39 PM »
Except for those of us who understand Trump as a Russian Manchurian Candidate is the most preposterous political conspiracy theory in American history. 

But that hasn't stopped some of my very smart friends from hoping Mueller has evidence of a conspiracy.  It's crazy. 

Your use of the term "understand" is overreaching. It's what some people, including you believe, which is often based on what the media broadcasts. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is no more valid than yours. The difference between us is that I'm open to all possible outcomes, and you seem to have absolutely made up your unwavering  mind. Tell me I am wrong.

Your friends don't seem all that smart to me if evidence of a Russian conspiracy is what they are hoping for. That someone can conspire with another nation to become the President of the U.S. is frightening more than it is crazy.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #869 on: January 24, 2019, 05:57:43 PM »
Your use of the term "understand" is overreaching. It's what some people, including you believe, which is often based on what the media broadcasts. Don't get me wrong, my opinion is no more valid than yours. The difference between us is that I'm open to all possible outcomes, and you seem to have absolutely made up your unwavering  mind. Tell me I am wrong.

Your friends don't seem all that smart to me if evidence of a Russian conspiracy is what they are hoping for. That someone can conspire with another nation to become the President of the U.S. is frightening more than it is crazy.

You are wrong.  My opinion is based on not only the evidence (or lack thereof) that we have seen to date, but common sense.  It's a stupid conspiracy theory. 

My friends are very smart.  They are just suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Like you.  It's an epidemic. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #870 on: January 25, 2019, 02:30:03 PM »
So how is Trump a puppet of Putin's when doing this?  Maduro has good relationships with Russia, China and Cuba.  These three have been bleeding Venezuela dry for decades now.  This can't be good for any of these three countries.

Maduro Squeezed as Trump Recognizes Guaido and Protests Expand



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/trump-said-to-intend-to-recognize-guaido-as-venezuela-president

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #871 on: January 25, 2019, 05:31:57 PM »
So how is Trump a puppet of Putin's when doing this?  Maduro has good relationships with Russia, China and Cuba.  These three have been bleeding Venezuela dry for decades now.  This can't be good for any of these three countries.

Maduro Squeezed as Trump Recognizes Guaido and Protests Expand



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/trump-said-to-intend-to-recognize-guaido-as-venezuela-president
Putin and Trump are pulling the old double cross on the public since mueller is getting close, any day now he'll be arresting Trump!!!
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #872 on: January 26, 2019, 11:39:36 AM »
Following Trump's lead.  How is this good for Putin?

Spain, France, Germany give Venezuela's Maduro ultimatum

Madrid (AFP) - Spain, France and Germany on Saturday gave embattled Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro an ultimatum, saying they would recognise opposition leader Juan Guaido as president unless he calls elections within eight days.

https://news.yahoo.com/spain-france-germany-venezuelas-maduro-ultimatum-002256985.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #873 on: January 26, 2019, 01:06:05 PM »
U.S. intensifies anti-Maduro push as Russia backs Venezuelan ally

WASHINGTON/CARACAS (Reuters) - The United States on Friday intensified its push to drive Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro from power, as U.S. diplomats left the embassy in Caracas and Russia vowed to back its socialist South American ally.

Russia opposes the request and has accused Washington of backing a coup attempt, placing Venezuela at the heart of a growing geopolitical duel. Moscow will insist on compliance with international law, Russia's RIA news agency cited Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying on Friday.

Private military contractors who carry out secret missions for Russia have flown into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for Maduro, sources said.

https://news.yahoo.com/u-diplomats-leave-caracas-embassy-washington-backs-maduro-151027480.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #874 on: January 28, 2019, 03:48:11 PM »
Don't believe this for a second - won't be until Dec. 2020
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