Gay: choice or natural orientation?

[Simple Simon]

A donor is not their kid, were talking about nature.

it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

You seem to be trying now to change the goalposts regarding your point.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.

[Notomorrow]

it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.

Who elses dna does it have? A mother...See the attack on heterosexuality? Hey..mother..father...wh atever....

I'm not hate...but why people have to throw this shit down people's throat!  Why can't we just speak the fucking truth anymore....If Adam had sex with Eve for any fucking reason he can CHOOSE who to have sex with, he is not gay.

Gays do your fuckin thing...more girls for heteros....but why all the attack on heterosexuality..we have to accept this as nature...rewrite science books...just fuckin do your happy gay thing....

[Simple Simon]

Who elses dna does it have? A mother...See the attack on heterosexuality? Hey..mother..father...wh atever....

I'm not hate...but why people have to throw this shit down people's throat!  Why can't we just speak the fucking truth anymore....If Adam had sex with Eve for any fucking reason he can CHOOSE who to have sex with, he is not gay.

Gays do your fuckin thing...more girls for heteros....but why all the attack on heterosexuality..we have to accept this as nature...rewrite science books...just fuckin do your happy gay thing....

so you are claiming if you are gay you cannot (as in unable to) have sex with a female?

Fucking hell mate, a man can get a hard on riding the bus FFS,

[Notomorrow]

Not saying a man could not force himself to have sex with a woman when he is only attracted to men....or get a test tube, a female donor and manufacture a life....this could be part of natures way...I only use my common sense to try and understand things...I believe in a God and would never say for certain I KNOW something to be natural or not......

We kind of have a particular problem in the bodybuilding community of people with loose definitions of "natural"....

[Simple Simon]

Not saying a man could not force himself to have sex with a woman when he is only attracted to men....or get a test tube, a female donor and manufacture a life....this could be part of natures way...I only use my common sense to try and understand things...I believe in a God and would never say for certain I KNOW something to be natural or not......

We kind of have a particular problem in the bodybuilding community of people with loose definitions of "natural"....

[Notomorrow]

Don't be a puppet. Think for yourself.  The names...you're an idiot..your racist...you're sexist....just use your intellect....

For the record I am not against gay people...in fact the absolute best place to pick up women is a gay club because the HOTTEST girls can't go to straight clubs...get hated on too much by ugly chicks and it gets catty

Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....

The world would be a much more serious and less fun place without gay people....but forcing the nature argument down my throat...just intellectually disagree...

[Simple Simon]

Don't be a puppet. Think for yourself.  The names...you're an idiot..your racist...you're sexist....just use your intellect....

For the record I am not against gay people...in fact the absolute best place to pick up women is a gay club because the HOTTEST girls can't go to straight clubs...get hated on too much by ugly chicks and it gets catty

Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....

The world would be a much more serious and less fun place without gay people....but forcing the nature argument down my throat...just intellectually disagree...

You need a cock forcing down your throat.

[Notomorrow]

You need a cock forcing down your throat.

Expose them one by one...their agenda will eventually be revealed by the truth.

[rangerwil]

Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....

First off , that's not true at all about gay bars being "FULL" of hot striaight girls. There are SOME --SOMETIMES..but in no way FULL of them.

More importantly--it appears you do have some sort of problem with us.
Why couldn't you just say "Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their male gay friends who will introduce you.
"
We're not all flaming.
Some of us are far from it in fact.

[Notomorrow]

First off , that's not true at all about gay bars being "FULL" of hot striaight girls. There are SOME --SOMETIMES..but in no way FULL of them.

More importantly--it appears you do have some sort of problem with us.
Why couldn't you just say "Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their male gay friends who will introduce you.
"
We're not all flaming.
Some of us are far from it in fact.

Didn't know "flaming" was bad....find flamers quite engaging and fun..you seem intent on maintaining this hate that we are supposed to have for each other...why? There are many non flaming gays....I have no problem with you....correct me if I've said anything hateful...was just a discussion of whether or not its "natural".....who cares if it is or not?....I'm on a fucking cycle of test and could not achieve the physique I have naturally....RELAX.....h ad a good friend who was gay and he took me to a gay club and I encountered a bunch of very attractive hetero girls...that was my experience...

Just escape this fucking hate...racist...lets all hate each other attitude that so many people are making so much money off of...

[HTexan]

it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

You seem to be trying now to change the goalposts regarding your point.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.

Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.

[Primemuscle]

There was a first heterosexual man. My existence can loosely be traced to that first man. Had to be a 1st gay man. How do you trace a gay mans natural history to the 1st gay man? No hate...curious. hes gay. Doesn't procreate. If part of nature?

The flaw in your theory is that many gay folks do procreate.

[HTexan]

The in your theory is that many gay folks do procreate.

Yup. Why do stupid people act like gays doing have biological kids?

[Primemuscle]

That's not gay.For the preservation of the species, they become bisexual for procreation? Like the "straight guys" that just give each other blow jobs when girlfriends out of town? All bisexual....I said gay...natural gay...only sexually attracted to the same sex

You speak in terms of absolutes where they don't necessarily exist.

[Primemuscle]

A donor is not their kid, were talking about nature.

Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.

[Simple Simon]

Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.

thats a contradictory statement, the last bit is correct, the important word being "act"

Lots of straight actors play gay men in films, does that mean they are homosexual?

[Primemuscle]

Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.

If one believes Adam and Eve existed as told. I don't buy it.

You are putting the 'cart before the horse' with respect to that pretense. Many people fear "coming out" because of  bigotry and hate which still exists even today when more folks are accepting of other's differences.

[rangerwil]

Didn't know "flaming" was bad....

Well..it's not the worst anti-gay word but come on..

[Notomorrow]

Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.

Through bisexuality...of course. Trying to understand how you feel a man having sex with a woman is not heterosexual sex. 

[MANGOOS]

It's ilness, just like down syndrome

[Notomorrow]

Well..it's not the worst anti-gay word but come on..

So you look down on flaming gays? Is that the culture? I honestly don't know....I find flaming gays very fun to talk to....I'd much rather have a conversation with a flaming gay than a boring, Straight..."What's up bro...how much do you bench?" guy......Teach me about Barbara Streisand or some shit...much more original.....

[Primemuscle]

Trying to understand how you feel a man having sex with a woman is not heterosexual sex. 

Where did I say that???

[HTexan]

thats a contradictory statement, the last bit is correct, the important word being "act"

No it isn't. Gay/bi men have sex with men.

Lots of straight actors play gay men in films, does that mean they are homosexual?

don't tell me you're one those stupid people that can't separate fiction from real life.
You realized that no penetration happens in movies right? Hell, most of the nudity is stand ins or CGI.

[Notomorrow]

Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.

This is where you said it...."No matter how it is achieved"...as if there are multiple ways...there is only ONE...natural biological process for humans to reproduce and that is heterosexual sex...

But you are arguing that there is some other process where gay men magically become attracted to women enough to have heterosexual sex but its not REALLY heterosexual its some "no matter how its achieved" type of thing......eggs and sperm don't "hook up"....its achieved through heterosexual sex...or an imitation of heterosexual sex through science...I'm sorry...were all here through a heterosexual process...its just nature.....

[Simple Simon]

No it isn't. Gay/bi men have sex with men.

don't tell me you're one those stupid people that can't separate fiction from real life.
You realized that no penetration happens in movies right? Hell, most of the nudity is stand ins or CGI.

I hope you are trolling, being homosexual isnt just about penetrative sex.
Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex, a lot of gay men never have sex with another man, they live a life of lies with a wife and kids.

You seem to be mixing things up not me