Slim or Bulk?!?!?

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

summer time is low fat season bud. enough said. during winter months you can dirty bulk and get gainz.

[The True Adonis]

I have no idea who jeff cavalier is but bring him on so we can discuss it.

He PWNS you

[Bevo]

Completely agree, allows you to actually enjoy life while still being happy enough with how you look, I couldn't think of nothing worse than pulling out a plastic box with chicken and rice while your lass and kids enjoy fish and chips or whatever during a day at the coast or microwaving porrige oats in the morning of a Saturday shift at work while the lads are eating a fried breakfast. If your competing or make a living from how you look then fair enough but otherwise is it really worth the hassle?

I agree

I've seen idiots at the gym during sets pull out plastic containers and start eating chicken and rice between sets and their physiques aren't even national level 

[Coach is Back!]

He PWNS you

I quit listening at the 4:55 mark because he's doing preaching something most good trainers already know. He used an example of someone who either trained for a decent amount of time in the past, quit for awhile and came back to it or this is someone who just started training and through training, his body composition changed a little. Flash. We and most good trainers do this everyday, it's common it's not some breakthrough.

Why does claim to be as lean as he it all the time? 1. This is what he does for a living 2. His body type calls for it. 3. He's taking some sort of fat burner and GH isn't out of the question. He's say he's 41. Carry on.

You've fallen in love like this a lot over the years with these heros of yours that you claim to be natty or extra lean, why should this one be any different?

[dj181]

He PWNS you

this is the holy grail 

and I'm attempting it right now but jacking up protein a day lowering the other macros

I did this some years ago and I actually gained 5 pounds and dropped a percent body fat ie. my skin folds went down

just started this a few days ago and it appears to be working already

OUTSTANDING  and it feels great!!!

[The True Adonis]

this is the holy grail 

and I'm attempting it right now but jacking up protein a day lowering the other macros

I did this some years ago and I actually gained 5 pounds and dropped a percent body fat ie. my skin folds went down

just started this a few days ago and it appears to be working already

OUTSTANDING  and it feels great!!!

It works.  I just did it myself.

I have a theory regarding protein as a natural.  If you go through periods of low protein with heavy lifting, then blasting the protein with heavy lifting, you may be able to break through plateaus (especially for an advanced or experienced natural lifter)

But yeah, I gained muscle and lost body fat in a deficit these past few weeks.  My body weight really did not change but I got a shit ton leaner, abs out etc... and strength has gone up.

[The True Adonis]

I quit listening at the 4:55 mark because he's doing preaching something most good trainers already know. He used an example of someone who either trained for a decent amount of time in the past, quit for awhile and came back to it or this is someone who just started training and through training, his body composition changed a little. Flash. We and most good trainers do this everyday, it's common it's not some breakthrough.

Why does claim to be as lean as he it all the time? 1. This is what he does for a living 2. His body type calls for it. 3. He's taking some sort of fat burner and GH isn't out of the question. He's say he's 41. Carry on.

You've fallen in love like this a lot over the years with these heros of yours that you claim to be natty or extra lean, why should this one be any different?

You are a moron. Jealous at that.

Jeff pwns you!

[Shizzo]

It works.  I just did it myself.

I have a theory regarding protein as a natural.  If you go through periods of low protein with heavy lifting, then blasting the protein with heavy lifting, you may be able to break through plateaus (especially for an advanced or experienced natural lifter)

But yeah, I gained muscle and lost body fat in a deficit these past few weeks.  My body weight really did not change but I got a shit ton leaner, abs out etc... and strength has gone up.

I will go ahead and put my deposit down, for your updated pics in 2019.

[The True Adonis]

I will go ahead and put my deposit down, for your updated pics in 2019.

You would get PWNED so bad if I posted them.

Up for a wager of any kind?

[oldtimer1]

Listen to all the fatsos on this board make a case against being lean. 

Here's my take. If you eat anything you want including drinking beer while lifting heavy you will look great in clothes but not so good with your shirt off.  If you are super lean you will look like you don't even lift wearing clothes but will look amazing with your shirt off. Being lean is healthier than being a perma bulker.

[Coach is Back!]

You are a moron. Jealous at that.

Jeff pwns you!

Don't be upset cupcake. I don't get jealous and I especially don't get jealous over twinks regurgitating shit that's been done forever. 

[Primemuscle]

Acknowledge your genetic predisposition. Work with what you have. Don't shoot for extremes or dramatic changes in a limited time frame. Train to be healthy as possible and not as bulked or cut as you imagine. There is no magic here, just good commonsense. Be patient and don't ever give up. If you gain 5 lbs of muscle a year for five years you are doing great.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

I eat pretty much a lot of crap and stay lean thx to hgh/primo/aromasin and lil testosterona baby

[dj181]

It works.  I just did it myself.

I have a theory regarding protein as a natural.  If you go through periods of low protein with heavy lifting, then blasting the protein with heavy lifting, you may be able to break through plateaus (especially for an advanced or experienced natural lifter)

But yeah, I gained muscle and lost body fat in a deficit these past few weeks.  My body weight really did not change but I got a shit ton leaner, abs out etc... and strength has gone up.

good stuff

how much pro are you taking in?

I'm starring at 1.5 grams per pound, and I may go to 2

Charles put 'em on the Glass recommends 1.5-2 grams per pound

I've seen others recommend 2 grams per pound and that seems to velvet the highest recommendation

[Kwon]

I quit listening at the 4:55 mark because he's doing preaching something most good trainers already know. He used an example of someone who either trained for a decent amount of time in the past, quit for awhile and came back to it or this is someone who just started training and through training, his body composition changed a little. Flash. We and most good trainers do this everyday, it's common it's not some breakthrough.

I quit listening around the 6:02 mark.

[njflex]

lean enough for abs every body is different 'holding ,fat,water,not killing yourself to be shredded to levels of competing but big enough in clothes and out if u can thats a balance but if u can thats ideal.

[dj181]

lean enough for abs every body is different 'holding ,fat,water,not killing yourself to be shredded to levels of competing but big enough in clothes and out if u can thats a balance but if u can thats ideal.

6-8% is ideal if you enjoy wearing string tanks like me

if you wanna look big in your short sleeve shirt without showing much skin than 10-12 is acceptable I guess. ..

[njflex]

6-8% is ideal if you enjoy wearing string tanks like me

if you wanna look big in your short sleeve shirt without showing much skin than 10-12 is acceptable I guess. ..

yeah 8 to10,,again people could be lean all over but lower back legs soft ,,vice versa pecs soft no  lines  and seperated legs

[Julio Ceasar]

I would like to say 6-8% range is the best 3-4 weeks out of contest shape...but most people here are on drugs, not many natties who can hold that shape all year round. One pizza and Im up 2 pound, 2 cheat meals per week and I need to diet for 10 days to get back on track...cheatmeal and sweet stuff also trigger the addiction for more shitty food...thats the problem...

Sometimes it feel ok, sometimes I feel like I wanna give up. Then I see all these fat fucks around and it motivates me to continue to stay lean...

But yeah, staying lean without a pump and carload just make u look like nobody with clothes...but most girls like the look of soccer players slim, so why not continue...and 15% without carbload will make u look like a absolute sloppy fatso...so I guess I have to continue to stay in shape...

The Coach is absolutely not 15% haha...he is a fat dude almost 300 pound, more like 30-40% bf, delusional of peace! When u have been in shape for some time your perspective start to change...suddenly all these people you thought hade some muscles are just puffy goffy swole fatsos...

[Julio Ceasar]

I'm at 8/9% all year, it's not hard if you're not a fat ass.

Are u a natty?

[dj181]

I would like to say 6-8% range is the best 3-4 weeks out of contest shape...but most people here are on drugs, not many natties who can hold that shape all year round. One pizza and Im up 2 pound, 2 cheat meals per week and I need to diet for 10 days to get back on track...cheatmeal and sweet stuff also trigger the addiction for more shitty food...thats the problem...

Sometimes it feel ok, sometimes I feel like I wanna give up. Then I see all these fat fucks around and it motivates me to continue to stay lean...

But yeah, staying lean without a pump and carload just make u look like nobody with clothes...but most girls like the look of soccer players slim, so why not continue...and 15% without carbload will make u look like a absolute sloppy fatso...so I guess I have to continue to stay in shape...

The Coach is absolutely not 15% haha...he is a fat dude almost 300 pound, more like 30-40% bf, delusional of peace! When u have been in shape for some time your perspective start to change...suddenly all these people you thought hade some muscles are just puffy goffy swole fatsos...

as I said

6-8% is ideal if you enjoy wearing string tanks like me

if you wanna look big in your short sleeve shirt without showing much skin than 10-12 is acceptable I guess. ..

did you hook up with that tight ass Asian female yet?

[The True Adonis]

good stuff

how much pro are you taking in?

I'm starring at 1.5 grams per pound, and I may go to 2

Charles put 'em on the Glass recommends 1.5-2 grams per pound

I've seen others recommend 2 grams per pound and that seems to velvet the highest recommendation

1.1-1.3 g per lb of bodyweight.

Google Eric Helms Protein Recommendation

Eric Helms has published peer reviewed studies that specifically monitored Natural Bodybuilders.

He is about the best authority you can get-backed with Science.

[JCL]

being lean hands down.

[Coach is Back!]

I would like to say 6-8% range is the best 3-4 weeks out of contest shape...but most people here are on drugs, not many natties who can hold that shape all year round. One pizza and Im up 2 pound, 2 cheat meals per week and I need to diet for 10 days to get back on track...cheatmeal and sweet stuff also trigger the addiction for more shitty food...thats the problem...

Sometimes it feel ok, sometimes I feel like I wanna give up. Then I see all these fat fucks around and it motivates me to continue to stay lean...

But yeah, staying lean without a pump and carload just make u look like nobody with clothes...but most girls like the look of soccer players slim, so why not continue...and 15% without carbload will make u look like a absolute sloppy fatso...so I guess I have to continue to stay in shape...

The Coach is absolutely not 15% haha...he is a fat dude almost 300 pound, more like 30-40% bf, delusional of peace! When u have been in shape for some time your perspective start to change...suddenly all these people you thought hade some muscles are just puffy goffy swole fatsos...

I'm almost 300lbs? Gimmick of peace. I would bet your account on it but you would only come back as another gimmick.

[Julio Ceasar]

as I said

did you hook up with that tight ass Asian female yet?

Nope, she is to rare and beautiful, I bet there have been lots of incidents that force her to hide away and find places where men leave her alone...I once saw her wearing white (it was a killer 10), to much attention I guess, after that all black...