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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2017, 07:40:31 AM »
Will never happen.  I doubt it's enforceable anyway.

Exactly.  Will never happen, but doesn't change the fact I think it is a good idea and would certainly benefit those on welfare and those paying for it.

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2017, 07:44:48 AM »
No one cares what you think
Speak for yourself.

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2017, 08:59:24 AM »

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2017, 09:48:40 AM »
Someone neglected to advise Trump that his recently proposed ban on aliens collecting welfare benefits during their first 5 years here, has been in effect for over two decades.

SUMMARY OF IMMIGRANT ELIGIBILITY RESTRICTIONS UNDER CURRENT LAW

AS OF 2/25/2009

D.  FEDERAL MEANS-TESTED PUBLIC BENEFITS  TANF, MEDICAID, AND CHIP

FIVE YEAR BAN FOR QUALIFIED ALIENS WHO ENTERED THE COUNTRY ON OR AFTER 8/22/96

III.  FEDERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS

Aliens who are not qualified aliens are ineligible for Federal Public Benefits.

A.  EXAMPLES OF ALIENS WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED ARE:

Non-immigrants (temporary residents)
Individuals here on time-limited visas to work, study, or travel.
Undocumented immigrants
Individuals who entered as temporary residents and overstayed their visas, or are engaged in activities forbidden by their visa, or who entered without a visa.
Others
Individuals who are given temporary administrative statuses (e.g. stay of deportation, voluntary departure) until they can formalize permanent status, or individuals paroled for less than one year, or individuals under deportation procedures.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/basic-report/summary-immigrant-eligibility-restrictions-under-current-law
 



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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2017, 10:01:51 AM »
Someone neglected to advise Trump that his recently proposed ban on aliens collecting welfare benefits during their first 5 years here, has been in effect for over two decades.

SUMMARY OF IMMIGRANT ELIGIBILITY RESTRICTIONS UNDER CURRENT LAW

AS OF 2/25/2009

D.  FEDERAL MEANS-TESTED PUBLIC BENEFITS  TANF, MEDICAID, AND CHIP

FIVE YEAR BAN FOR QUALIFIED ALIENS WHO ENTERED THE COUNTRY ON OR AFTER 8/22/96

III.  FEDERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS

Aliens who are not qualified aliens are ineligible for Federal Public Benefits.

A.  EXAMPLES OF ALIENS WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED ARE:

Non-immigrants (temporary residents)
Individuals here on time-limited visas to work, study, or travel.
Undocumented immigrants
Individuals who entered as temporary residents and overstayed their visas, or are engaged in activities forbidden by their visa, or who entered without a visa.
Others
Individuals who are given temporary administrative statuses (e.g. stay of deportation, voluntary departure) until they can formalize permanent status, or individuals paroled for less than one year, or individuals under deportation procedures.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/basic-report/summary-immigrant-eligibility-restrictions-under-current-law
 




Yes - but when these animals drop anchor babies they all go on welfare - i see it daily.   

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2017, 10:53:08 AM »
Yes - but when these animals drop anchor babies they all go on welfare - i see it daily.   

I agree that there are loopholes which allow for abuse of the system (law).

Oregon House votes to expand privacy for undocumented immigrants  Tuesday, June 20, 2017

http://www.oregonir.org/tags/oregon-legislature

Oregon is the only state that has a law specifically limiting the extent to which state resources can be used to enforce federal immigration laws.

ORS 181.850
is a statute that limits the ways in which local law enforcement agents can investigate or inquire about a person’s immigration status.
Under ORS 181.850, state and local police are not allowed to enforce federal immigration law if a person is not involved in criminal activity.

Police may contact ICE if they have detained a person suspected of committing a crime or if a person is the subject of a federal warrant for a criminal violation of immigration law


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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2017, 11:38:04 AM »
Yes - but when these animals drop anchor babies they all go on welfare - i see it daily.   

you're at the welfare office on a daily basis checking the citizenship of people applying for benefit for their kids?


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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2017, 12:37:26 PM »
Exactly.  Will never happen, but doesn't change the fact I think it is a good idea and would certainly benefit those on welfare and those paying for it.

Mandatory birth control is not a good idea.  A better way to accomplish what you want is to simply not expand benefits for someone who has a kid while on public assistance.  But no way your party would ever support anything like that. 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2017, 12:38:24 PM »
Someone neglected to advise Trump that his recently proposed ban on aliens collecting welfare benefits during their first 5 years here, has been in effect for over two decades.

SUMMARY OF IMMIGRANT ELIGIBILITY RESTRICTIONS UNDER CURRENT LAW

AS OF 2/25/2009

D.  FEDERAL MEANS-TESTED PUBLIC BENEFITS  TANF, MEDICAID, AND CHIP

FIVE YEAR BAN FOR QUALIFIED ALIENS WHO ENTERED THE COUNTRY ON OR AFTER 8/22/96

III.  FEDERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS

Aliens who are not qualified aliens are ineligible for Federal Public Benefits.

A.  EXAMPLES OF ALIENS WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED ARE:

Non-immigrants (temporary residents)
Individuals here on time-limited visas to work, study, or travel.
Undocumented immigrants
Individuals who entered as temporary residents and overstayed their visas, or are engaged in activities forbidden by their visa, or who entered without a visa.
Others
Individuals who are given temporary administrative statuses (e.g. stay of deportation, voluntary departure) until they can formalize permanent status, or individuals paroled for less than one year, or individuals under deportation procedures.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/basic-report/summary-immigrant-eligibility-restrictions-under-current-law
 




I heard that the past two presidents expanded the number of loopholes, and Trump wants to close them. 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2017, 12:41:33 PM »
Mandatory birth control is not a good idea.  A better way to accomplish what you want is to simply not expand benefits for someone who has a kid while on public assistance.  But no way your party would ever support anything like that. 

What happens to kid, though?

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2017, 12:45:36 PM »
What happens to kid, though?

Parent gets a job and takes care of the kid? 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2017, 12:54:19 PM »
Parent gets a job and takes care of the kid? 

Or failing that, we remove kid from parent?

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2017, 12:55:48 PM »
I heard that the past two presidents expanded the number of loopholes, and Trump wants to close them. 

where did you hear that


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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2017, 12:58:34 PM »
Or failing that, we remove kid from parent?

No.

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2017, 01:02:44 PM »
No.

Make the child pay the price of neglect?

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2017, 01:05:41 PM »
Make the child pay the price of neglect?

No.  Make the parent take responsibility for their kid. 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2017, 01:20:46 PM »
No.  Make the parent take responsibility for their kid. 

I wish they would -- the world would be a much better place.

But what's the threat against them for when they don't?

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2017, 01:22:53 PM »
I wish they would -- the world would be a much better place.

But what's the threat against them for when they don't?

If a parent neglects their kid, they can be prosecuted and the kid can be taken away, put in foster care, sent a relative, adopted, etc. 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2017, 01:34:20 PM »
If a parent neglects their kid, they can be prosecuted and the kid can be taken away, put in foster care, sent a relative, adopted, etc. 

That means removing the kid from the parent, yeah.

It's just incredible to think that no one was there to protect America from being gutted to death by NAFTA and open borders, but now we're discussing taking children from their parents for financial shortcomings.

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2017, 01:42:49 PM »
That means removing the kid from the parent, yeah.

It's just incredible to think that no one was there to protect America from being gutted to death by NAFTA and open borders, but now we're discussing taking children from their parents for financial shortcomings.

That's what happens when a parent repeatedly neglects to care for a kid, social services gets involved, etc 

I'm not talking about taking children from their parents for financial shortcomings.  Are you? 

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2017, 01:50:44 PM »
That's what happens when a parent repeatedly neglects to care for a kid, social services gets involved, etc 

I'm not talking about taking children from their parents for financial shortcomings.  Are you? 

In this case, yes.  Things the child needs to have a proper, healthy life and that aren't obtainable without money.

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2017, 01:51:03 PM »
My wife and I are in full agreement with this no expansion of benefits plan.
I'm very libertarian and am a strong advocate for personal responsibility.

Dude.  You mention your political affiliation dang near every day.  You are protesting too much.  Nobody cares.  

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Re: President calls for barring immigrants from welfare for five years
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2017, 01:54:25 PM »
In this case, yes.  Things the child needs to have a proper, healthy life and that aren't obtainable without money.

That's the parents' job to provide.  We have a safety net for those who need help.  But I have no problem with restricting benefits provided by that safety net.  

What we have done by providing increased benefits to mothers who have additional kids while already on public assistance is embolden them to abuse the system.  As my man crush (no homo) Lt. Col Allen West said, it should be a safety net, not a hammock.