You've sampled a lot more of these things than me, that's for sure. I know it's subjective, and I take your point about some of the pills not working for you any more, but once upon a time you could feel them, right? So I was wondering if you could you rank these things (opiates) in order of strength?
To be clear - I've no intention of taking anything as a result of any list you write LOL - you can't get most of these in the UK anyway... I guess I'm just wondering what the 'escalation route' is for people who don't go straight to heroin...
And has anyone ever tried poppy seed tea?
In order? I'm sitting in a parking lot sipping a Gatorade so I gotta cpl mins..
Codiene
Vicodin -norco/hydrocodone
Oxycodone- Percocet/roxicet/oxycontin.. Onlyndifference is the mg per pill and if its sustained or instant release
Hmm after those? Gets tricky..
Oral morphine..Kaiden is much better than ms contain but if you have an opiate tolerance already neither will do much for you unless you take a large amount or early like above 200 mg
Opana
Injectable morphine
Diluadid or demerol injectable versions though.. The orals just don't work the same. When I had pancreatitis back in I believe 2003 2 mg of Dilaudid every 3 or 4 hours when I was in the hospital for 10 days got me higher than I ever been in my entire life. Keep in mind I'm talking an opiate High not like a weed Stoner buzzed High they're different.
Then you move onto diacetylmorphine or diamorphine which is heroin. That's all heroin is is morphine acetate. Injectable Riv I should say heroin has to do with a certain two chemicals I forget their names off the top of my head but those are what give the rush that heroin addicts usually get addicted to. Towards the end of my using my veins are all shot out and I will shooting heroin intramuscularly and never got a rush. Well I take that back sometimes I would get a rush actually all four times I overdosed or intramuscular I don't know if I nicked a vein or something on two of those but on the other two it was an intramuscular injection of China White heroin from the East Coast which likely had fentanyl in it. Shooting I'm will generally kick in within about 2 or 3 minutes and Ivy takes just a few seconds and you can taste it right away. Every time I OD'd shouldn't intramuscularly I could taste it almost immediately which leads me to believe I nicked a vein somehow and when I shot intramuscularly Howard shooting one or one-and-a-half grams at a time which is 1000 or 1500 mg of morphine acetate, which is a good 6x as strong as morphine sulphate (Kaiden or ms contin).
Then you have fentanyl, then things like car- Fentanyl and all the morphed fentanyl versions those are all stronger than heroin. However the feeling they give is shorter. Fentanyl will shut down your breathing quickly. Oding on it happens before you realize it.
Pills in general really never gave me any addiction issues. My problems always came from anything liquid that kicked in quick and I could feel it kick in quick. Nubain GHB alcohol heroin obviously because heroin was injectable IV.
Your tolerance will build up pretty quickly especially if you inject things. I remember like I said back when I was in the hospital in 03 or 04 whenever it was when I had pancreatitis the first time 2 mg of Dilaudid would have me super super high and warm and fuzzy I should mention when I say I was high opiates affect people in two different ways some people at knocks them out make some sleep they drool they don't like it whatever and other guys it makes some more active or gives them energy makes them hungry and they function all day... That was me. Like I said before there is a long period of time probably a year-and-a-half when my first client of the day would be at 5 a.m. and I'd be at the gym training people throughout the day until 7 p.m. at which time I would work front desk and manage front desk until midnight closing and sometimes training clients between 7 and midnight as well doing double duty with me being the only one working at the gym then I would have to rush home and try to get to bed and fall asleep by 1:30 or 2 and wake up at 4 or 4:30 and rush back to the gym and do it all over again that entire time I was shooting heroin all day never any stimulants or benzos or a drinking... but like I was saying that 2 mg of Dilaudid work really well but when I started using Dilaudid tablets and crushing those up and injecting them iOS easily doing 8 214 mg per shot Ivy and doing that probably 8 times a day. Actually looking back the feeling from Dilaudid was always much much better than heroin feeling ever was. That problem with Heroin though as it really fucks up your tolerance and you need to do it just not to be sick. A couple times when I ran out of heroin and couldn't get a hold of a supplier I would get a hold of some Dilaudid tablets or oxycontin's and I would shoot 20 mg of Dilaudid IV and still be in heroin withdrawal and then shoot another 10 or 15 mg IV on top of that maybe two minutes later because I didn't feel the rush initially and after that still would be able draw compared to the term G they got me high as a kite before. Same with Oxycontin I never shot it but taking it orally I could take 3 60mg tablets crushed-up and still be in withdrawal whereas a lot of people if not most people might overdose on a single 60 mg.
..... believe me if I could have gotten away with taking less I absolutely would have it would have saved me a hell of a lot of money. I literally could be bought a condo in cash.. Paid off for what I blew on heroin. And all of it was funded with steroids sales. So I get to sit here and think about all that money that I could have reinvested in my business and all the prophets I lost I sat in rehab doing the math and the money that I spent on heroin if I would have reinvested it in my business I would have grossed between 800 and 1.2 million dollars. That's a bitter pill to swallow.
*Edit.. typed all that or whatever using voice text sitting in a hot car and a parking lot and I didn't bother to spell check your grammar check any of that shit so that's that... Walking in the grocery store now so probably not going to spell check this either but I just remembered while driving over here listening to a Joe Rogan podcast that I forgot a few things
Ultram/tramadol, Temgesic/Stadol ( buprenorphine yeah give ingredients in Suboxone and Subutex& Zubsolv sp?..& Torbugesic, & Darvocet.
Ultram is a synthetic opiate Agonist antagonist like nubain. It's actually one of the things I used to get off of nubain. If you don't have an opiate tolerance if you take some it'll give you a sedating feeling like a mild opiate warm-and-fuzzy content feeling. Had about 50 to 100 mg. And doses over 200 mg or 800mg total in a day to run the risk of having seizures because the shit works on something like 10 - 14 or 11 or whatever areas of the brain .being an SSRI being one of them. For a long long time it was marketed as being non-addictive and usable by people with prior opiate addictions and that should definitely isn't true period in the rankings last I drank it below Vicodin and maybe below or possibly equal to codeine actually probably a drink and Below coating come to think of it. Its a motherfuckernto come off because it has not only the opiate withdrawal you have to deal with but also the withdrawal from the other areas of the brain that works on such as serotonin and norepinephrine and whatnot. So with the withdrawal you get the so-called brain zaps which are kind of hard to explain. I got them with nubain as well and then on occasion when trying to kick heroin. It's sort of like 70 hits a light switch in your brain and turns it off and turns it right back on quick. Like you are beginning to collapse straight down for a split second and then you snap back into it with like a zapping Feeling. Like I said it's hard to explain and that's just one of the withdrawal symptoms that's coming with antidepressants withdrawal especially with things like Celexa and Effexor and I believe Cymbalta.
Temgesic is buprenorphine the same shit Suboxone and Subutex is. Also a opiate Agonist antagonist. Back before Suboxone was being prescribed or even on the market for heroin withdrawal I was doing my research and figuring out how to come off of nubain and figured out that I could use to music to occupy the opiate receptor but not actually have the feeling so I wouldn't get sick or as sick. That was in late 2001 and early-to-mid 2002. I firstnbecame a war of suboxone about a year after if used Temgesic to kick, about late 03. Reading about it in rolling stone or Time magazine. Was pretty proud of myself figuring out how it could benusednto kick before it was brought to trials. Lol. Back then before kicking nubain I would actually use Temgesic along with nubain because thenfeeling is very similar. However the doses used then are much much lower than suboxone. If do 1/4-1/2cc shots if of either .1mg/1cc or .2mg/cc I forget the potency, but well below the 8-32MG per day of suboxone used these days. It gives an ok feeling like nubain at LOW doses if you have a very lowntolerance and zero opiate in your bloodstream.(if there's opiates in your bloodstream you'll experience what's called Precipitated Withdrawal.. Which is opiate withdrawal x10.. Fucken horrible).. At higher doses you get no high .but can still od, especially with benzos in yer blood.
Darvocet is below codeine. Garbage. Makesnyou sick. And constpitated. I thinkntjey actually pulled it from the market.
Torbugesis is also an opiate agonist/antagonists. Kinda proud to have brought that one to market back in 01 when Nubain dried up lol. Its a veterinary drug in Mexico. Similarnto bain but gives a metal if taste/feeling in her mouth and a ringing in her ears.
Phonesngonnandie 2% n can't see my screen. Ill fixnit later. Spelling n shit
