Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines

[Joe Valentino]

Any opiate would. People act like nubain is some holy grail because of its association with pros in the '90s, but its more that it only came in injectable form, so people shot it up. Hell yeah it's going to be good that way, anything would.

Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!

[Van_Bilderass]

Then how come was soo popular in the 90s, pretty much everyone used them? Ok, a couple of them prolly abused and got injured, but, from what I read, makes the training a lot easier..

Never used it but narcotics help in doing boring monotonous activities - such as during contest prep.
Duchaine hypothesized it had a thermogenic effect as well. If narcotics weren't addictive every bodybuilder would use them all the time, they can "help".

[Nether Animal]

Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!

I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.

[Van_Bilderass]

Any would do the trick? So, BBuilders were shooting heroin before training, when the Nubain acess was limited? Damn!

Yes. DeMayo died of heroin overdose. Prince was supposedly speedballing, shooting coke with the painkillers.

[Joe Valentino]

I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.

The Mark Kerr video/documentary on YT, displays him shooting up Nubain on his vain, at the height of his addiction so many marks, kind of gross and disturbing

[ESFitness]

It all boils down to the same mechanism of action. If you have been given a morphine/dilaudid shot in the hospital for whatever, you know what heroin feels like. 

I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.

One thought that often comes to me after smoking is "this is not an escape". It increases emotions, both negative and positive, the internal dialogue feels like mental wrestling. I think painkillers and benzos are more escapism as they dull negative emotions, you don't care about nothing. Never tried mushrooms but everyone always stresses set and setting as they can lead you to a mental hell.

Weed made me feel "disconnected". Didn't care for it. Everybody, friends, employees, clients, we're all telling me it works great for insomnia and appetite and anxiety and all that stuff but I got none of that.

[ESFitness]

I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.

That's what happened to a lot of us. Nubain wasn't supposed to be addictive, being an opiate Agonist/antagonist. However we were caught off guard and turns out it was horribly addictive with withdrawal lasting much much longer than other opiates (except for Methadone).

Nubain production was halted around 2001-2002 and supplies we're drying up and prices went up like 800% so we either figured out how to come off or a lot of guys switched to oxy which was still pretty new..... Except oxy was expensive and not something that's easy to have a consistent Supply of. So a lot of guys figured out heroin was cheaper and always around... Which is how/why I started using heroin when they scheduled Tramadol.

I'm no historian but I'm sure that happened to some, people got hooked on nubain, supplies got low and they needed a fix so they got whatever they could. That's what happened to Demayo, I believe.

Paul (& his wife) already had an opiate problem (Percocet) before nubain came on the scene. He went to prison for a while after an argument with her for shooting guns in the air, was clean for a while, then goes to Nubain... Then oxy, then heroin...and ends up ODing mixing heroin and valium. Most people who OD and die on heroin don't OD on heroin alone, it's almost always when combined with a benzo.

[ESFitness]

you must be the stupidest bastard I have ever had the misfortune to debate with, the "oh this feels nice" develops into "I cant stop", if you don't recognise the signs, its just dumb twats like you that dont recognise the signs.

If you keep taking them beyond the "it feels nice" and keep increasing the dosage then you will develop an addiction.
Any one with a bit of sense would grasp that fact.
Now, if the pain you experience is out weighing the dosage and you still have to take them regardless then you have a problem.

You sir have never had that problem, you are just a weak willed pussy who cant handle the responsibility of life.

Every ounce of you reeks insecurity, its why we have to constant long winded posts about how you have done things better than everyone else.

wake the fuck up and try and build a relationship with your family, Im sure if you apologised for all your past transgressions they would take you back.

You're fucking clueless when it comes to this shit. You should just stop talking and fucking up threads when you know absolutely nothing about the subject being discussed

[be back]

You're fucking clueless when it comes to this shit. You should just stop talking and fucking up threads when you know absolutely nothing about the subject being discussed

and you are the expert on absofuckinglutly everything.

Wake up loser, you are a fucking waste of resources, a drunk driver who drives his kids around while on a suspended licence, a guy who abuses the health services because you self harm and cant deal with reality.
Your made up fantasy life is fucking bullshit, and your last quote regarding DeMayo is just fucking laughable, although most wont pick up on it, some people on here are as gullible as you think they are, hence your bullshit.
Heres your quote in all its glory
"That's what happened to a lot of us."
Fuck me, you put yourself in the company of pro bodybuilders, you are a fucking stupid delusional waste of space.

[Joe Valentino]

I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.

Weed made me feel "disconnected". Didn't care for it. Everybody, friends, employees, clients, we're all telling me it works great for insomnia and appetite and anxiety and all that stuff but I got none of that.

I had a bad trip once with weed. I was on 40 mgs of Prozac a day, and tried some friend's super weed on a business trip. Almost jumped of the balcony. An urge that lasted for 15 minutes, had to leave the hotel room, and walk around the block for a while. Never used again, at least not while on anti depressants

[Nether Animal]

I dunno, Diluadid felt much better than heroin. lol.. Diluadid was like Nubain in that sense.

 

Yeah dilaudid is awesome. It's more of a "head rush" than morphine, which you feel more in your body.

[be back]

That's what happened to a lot of us. Nubain wasn't supposed to be addictive, being an opiate Agonist/antagonist. However we were caught off guard and turns out it was horribly addictive with withdrawal lasting much much longer than other opiates (except for Methadone).

Nubain production was halted around 2001-2002 and supplies we're drying up and prices went up like 800% so we either figured out how to come off or a lot of guys switched to oxy which was still pretty new..... Except oxy was expensive and not something that's easy to have a consistent Supply of. So a lot of guys figured out heroin was cheaper and always around... Which is how/why I started using heroin when they scheduled Tramadol.

 

Paul (& his wife) already had an opiate problem (Percocet) before nubain came on the scene. He went to prison for a while after an argument with her for shooting guns in the air, was clean for a while, then goes to Nubain... Then oxy, then heroin...and ends up ODing mixing heroin and valium. Most people who OD and die on heroin don't OD on heroin alone, it's almost always when combined with a benzo.

https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm

2003 actually.

[Zillotch]

it's a character defect if you can't handle the weed

yes... I think u nailed it, all defects stem from genetic degradation. I like where your head is at.

[be back]

all addictions that are detrimental to your well being stem from a weakness in your character

[Zillotch]

all addictions that are detrimental to your well being stem from a weakness in your character

I suggest that u quit this forum, in that case.

[be back]

I suggest that u quit this forum, in that case.

hahahaha...nice one..

[Zillotch]

hahahaha...nice one..

that goes for all of us, tho lol

[be back]

that goes for all of us, tho lol

yep, just think how more productive we could be if we had never discovered this shit hole...

[Zillotch]

yep, just think how more productive we could be if we had never discovered this shit hole...

only one way to be sure... I must quit the forum myself. god knows what I'll be able to accomplish.

[be back]

only one way to be sure... I must quit the forum myself. god knows what I'll be able to accomplish.

I may become a PT, Im sure I could tag Fabio if he was ever in my area..

[ESFitness]

https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm

2003 actually.

Oh, so you were in the US and were in business with Mexican pharmacies too?  And were using Nubain in 01? That's right, you weren't. If you were, you'd know Abbott Labs and Astra both stopped producing and shipping before 9/11 and restarted briefly in 02 when Abbott started shipping the 10-pack 10mg/ml Amps. DuPont had been unavailable since early 01.

Seems your know-it-all lack of social skills is common among people with your mental disability.

http://autismteachingstrategies.com/autism-strategies/correcting-others-and-tattling-too-much-social-skills-activities-to-teach-kids-with-autism-who-have-these-problems/

http://theemergencesite.com/Autism-Spectrum/Autism_Spectrum-03_Aspergers_As_Fussy_Word_Disease.html

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=212743

https://thesilentwaveblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/do-aspergers-autistic-people-always-have-to-be-right/

You must be a miserable person to be around. Hence your complete lack of friends.
I'm amazed you ever convinced a woman gonna be sex with you.

[ProudVirgin69]

https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/98fr/E8-27714.htm

2003 actually.

Wow yeah he was way off.  Good catch.

[be back]

Oh, so you were in the US and were in business with Mexican pharmacies too?  And were using Nubain in 01? That's right, you weren't. If you were, you'd know Abbott Labs and Astra both stopped producing and shipping before 9/11 and restarted briefly in 02 when Abbott started shipping the 10-pack 10mg/ml Amps. DuPont had been unavailable since early 01.

Seems your know-it-all lack of social skills is common among people with your mental disability.

http://autismteachingstrategies.com/autism-strategies/correcting-others-and-tattling-too-much-social-skills-activities-to-teach-kids-with-autism-who-have-these-problems/

http://theemergencesite.com/Autism-Spectrum/Autism_Spectrum-03_Aspergers_As_Fussy_Word_Disease.html

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=212743

https://thesilentwaveblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/do-aspergers-autistic-people-always-have-to-be-right/

You must be a miserable person to be around. Hence your complete lack of friends.
I'm amazed you ever convinced a woman gonna be sex with you.

No, I was busy as a ski instructor in Klosters , I used to coach the British royal family, Prince Charles was a bit of shit to everyone, especially his family, one time there wasnt enough snow so i went out with a wheel barrow and brought some from the top of the mountain, I managed to bring down 2 million tons in 3 hours, Im a PT you know....

[ESFitness]

No, I was busy as a ski instructor in Klosters , I used to coach the British royal family, Prince Charles was a bit of shit to everyone, especially his family, one time there wasnt enough snow so i went out with a wheel barrow and brought some from the top of the mountain, I managed to bring down 2 million tons in 3 hours, Im a PT you know....

You think people can't see what a joke you are?

I make my comments based on actual experience and contribute to discussions. You do not. You troll and ruin every thread you post in.AT 50+ YEARS OLD you do this, and you think people can't see?  You think they can't see you're developmentally disabled? Everything you type is a yeast infection.

[B R]

You think people can't see what a joke you are?

.......

Irony of peace.