Judge NOT lest ye be judged.
Sounds like a judgement on your behalf , Who knew? a hypocritical Christian. Your bible endorses slavery BTW Jesus Approved !! Incest par for the course.
You won't read a word of attached posts, but it's good to know that all these tired arguments I've already exhaustively and repeatedly responded to, resolved and refuted.
That said here are quick copy and pastes of past replies.
One of a zillion posts on slavery:
Yes, I find it morally correct that the rights of a bondservant working off an individual or family debt were upheld. That’s the progressive nature of the law that protected the bondservant (“ebed” in Hebrew) within Israel that was found nowhere else in the pagan nations of the ancient near east.
I absolutely know the perception is that these folks were kept in shackles, practically starved, beaten, maimed, raped and treated like human garbage based on the whims of the debt holder. Just not the case (this was not ancient Egypt or the antebellum south in US). Simple comparisons with other ancient near east cultures will show you that the slave (not the bondservant) was treated like human garbage in those cases. The practices utilized with bond servants in ancient Israel were leaps and bounds above the slavery of surrounding pagan nations (these were the “work you to death, starve, maim, rape and beat you” cultures). The reality is that there was virtually no comparison between the treatment of bondservants in ancient Israel versus the treatment of slaves in the surrounding pagan cultures.
The Israelites that had acquired debt (ex: through failed business, theft, failed crops, etc…) and were unable to repay entered into a contract with the debtholder to work off the debt. As was customary in ancient Israel, sometimes individuals, individual and a family member or entire families worked off the debt. If the debt was satisfied prior to 6 years of service then that was it….the bondservant was released. If 6 years of service came and went and the debt was not repaid in full the debtholder simply lost out and the bond servant was to be released regardless. Often times the released bondservant(s) was to be given compensation, lifestock, grains, wine, etc…..upon their release. Sometimes the bondservants became full employees after the debt was settled and began earning a wage (if they chose to stay on board). Sometimes bondservants chose to stay with the family they worked off debt for and continue the bondservitude after the debt was satisfied because they developed such a strong relationship with the family they owed a debt to. Sometimes females bondservants became spouses of the owners or the owner's children (marriages were arranged) and as was customary the owner would pay out a brideprice to the bondservants family. Within the year of jubilee many, many bondservants were released from their service regardless of time served or amount of debt repaid.
And yes sometimes the bondservants' performance or behavior was inappropriate and they were punished for it. Although, the laws for bondservants didn't condone the capricious beating of the bondservant, the laws were meant to discourage that behavior on behalf of the owner. If owner did something as vile as murder a bondservant then that owner lost their life. Everyone quotes the scripture “if the owner beats the slave and slave recovers after 3 days……then all is good”. This circumstance was simply an exception, not the norm, but the laws were meant to govern all circumstances both the good and the bad. If the bondservant was beaten to a point in which they could not work they were supposed to be freed. The debtholder/owner was engaged in a contract with the bondservant and that bondservant was deemed property, but human property for the purposes of sweat equity for debt repayment that retained rights and privileges and just treatment. The owner was outlawed from ruling over the bondservant like a tyrant….that was not permitted. Did they work some of these folks hard? Sure. Was that hard work intended to be cruel and brutal and relentless and unreasonable? LOL no….that’s a fiction inferred by ignorant readers.
God’s ultimate goal was to lead Israel away from the practice of using bondservants altogether. The Lord works within the confines of our lives drawing us closer to him and away from the adopted practices of our hardened hearts that we freely choose to engage in. Regardless, the Lord is patient and will allow our free choices and some our less than desirable customs to be honored with the intention of leading us away from those practices. The use of bondservants is not the preference of the Lord though. Bondservants were also meant to respect their owners. Remember, some of the bondservants were working off a debt based a crime they committted against the family that held their contract for debt repayment. As I’ve said time and again on this topic it is completely illogical that God would free the Israelites from the brutal, forced slavery in Egypt and then allow them to engage in that same behavior among the people of their own nation. Folks will simply say “well, that’s a biblical contradiction” LOL……sorry, no. That’s ignorance on part of the critic that has done little more than a surface reading of the scripture. When I first read the these scriptures I was SHOCKED, but then I dug in deeper and understood the culture of the Isaelites, the culture of the pagan nations, learned some of the Hebrew terms and the definitely gained insight on the context…..makes all the difference.
Now I know I wrote all of this and some will just reply with “b.s.” or “keep polishing that turd” or whatever other witty retort they can think of; regardless, I hope this was at least helpful. I've learned that some religious objectors love their canned objections so much that they refuse to accept resolution when it's presented....I'm helpless to do anything about that. Most people won't even read this.
Another of many on Christians and judgment:
Ok, there's a number of things I need to address in your post so my response will be longer than your post.
You are correct in that I am not the ultimate judge of whether or not someone ended their life as a Christian or not. Ultimate judgment rests with God...he knows the reality. I also don't have certainty there wasn't a deathbed conversion of some sort. What I do know is the record of works these folks left in their lives does not jive with Christ in anyway whatsoever.
"nor are you suppose to even judge others" - this is a very common misunderstanding of scripture. Many folks have "pocket verses" they memorize....both believers and nonbelievers alike. Common spins on verses I see repeated are "do not judge others...." and "money is the root of evil". Both cited verses are incorrect and incomplete, but we'll stick with the concept of judgment here.
Now, as is common, the verse in Matthew 7 is often split in half and pulled from surrounding context. Here is full passage with the verse commonly cited in red:
Matthew 7:1-6
1 “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.
2 For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.
3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?
4 How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye?
5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.
6 “Don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don’t throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.
The vast majority only quote "do not judge others" and stop.....that's it....."Do not judge others! It's in the bible and here you are a Christian passing judgment!"
The idea in the passage is how to appropriately judge others or hold them accountable for their actions.
I'll illustrate with a simple example: don't come to an alcoholic and judge them for their drinking while you're polishing off a bottle of Jack Daniels in front of them. It sets a bad standard LOL.
As believers we are called to hold our fellow believers accountable for their actions. There are standards we are to adhere to and the foundation of those standards is Christ. We are absolutely meant to judge each other, but we do so according to God's standards and not our own. Hitler has claimed affiliation with Christianity yet compiled an almost unprecedented record of murder, torture and evil.....I absolutely judge his works according to God's laws and his "Christian record" falls completely short.
Why we debate this I'm not really sure?
Now, I never once said the unforgivable sin is rejecting God. I did say we have to make a choice to accept or reject God. I also stated that God does not forgive all people. Those that willfully reject Christ (and go to their death in doing so) will not have their sins forgiven.
We clearly know that the notion of rejecting God as the unforgivable sin is false because many have rejected God at some point in their lives and later come to God fully embracing him and desiring a relationship with him. This is the root of true conversion from unbelief to belief and the power of Christ's saving grace.
The unforgivable sin noted in scripture, by Christ, was attributing the works of Holy Spirit to the demonic realm of Satan. After Christ publically healed a demoniac the Pharisees claimed his ability to exorcise the demons was fueled by demons. Christ knew their thoughts and stated the following:
Matthew 12:31-32
31 “So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.
Again, the larger context of the passage is to not attribute the things of Holy Spirit to the things of Satan and his demons.....BIG "no no"!
How is it clear that Hitler accepted Christ? Because he said he related to Christians or attended church LOL?!
Evil, twisted men claim all sorts of things in one breath and then violate those same things in another. Hitler apparently claimed Christ in the midst of the murder of millions...that behavior didn't cease nor does it align with Christ. The only certainty we do have about Hitler is that he was a very articulate, intelligent, sick, twisted, evil man.
Accepting Christ isn't about a magical spell....quoting words in certain order accomplishes nothing. God knows the contents of our hearts and can easily discern the fakes from the genuine article. Scripture addresses this topic in a number of places......our works vet our claim of faith in Christ.
Again, as I noted yesterday:
James 2:14-26
14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do?
17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
21 Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. 23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. 24 So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.
25 Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 26 Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.
