Tom Prince on becoming a pro.

[shortfatugly]

Lee Priest takes next to nothing (steroids) and so did Paul Dillet.

I have talked to many pros who have advisors that help them remember to take their steroids.

They are an afterthought because pros are always focusing on their next meal, their next workout, the next time they get to see their family. Compared to that, steroids are an afterthought. Not to mention the fact that many pros take next to nothing. No, I haven't talked to Vince.

and then you say that you are serious about all of this.   No one can be this out of touch with reality. 

You say many pros take next to nothing then you state Lee priest and Paul dillett as your examples...  Even if true,  2 is not many.

[LuciusFox]

and then you say that you are serious about all of this.   No one can be this out of touch with reality. 

You say many pros take next to nothing then you state Lee priest and Paul dillett as your examples...  Even if true,  2 is not many.

 Tom Prince stated that steroids were the LAST reason that anyone turned pro and was successful. Arnold Schwarzenegger himself stated that steroids were a finishing touch and Lee Haney made similar comments. Many pros have inhuman size before even dabbling in steroids. They add, on average, only 5-10% to a physique.

[suckmymuscle]

Thanks to Mike Arvilla for digging this up.  I had read this on BB.com some time ago:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423

This is not meant to bash Tom Prince or anything, but do pros honestly believe that it is their hard work in the gym that make them become that massive, rather than the pharmacy of gear each one has in their fridge?   

I'm not saying they don't bust their ass.  They train hard just like naturals do.  The only difference I can think of is that psychologically they probably could not train without the rapid gains brought on by gear.  To be natural requires a helluva lot more patience.

  You know what's amaing? That this guy has the gals to actually say it's about "hard work", even though he suffered severe kidney damage and was hooked to a dialyses machine for a month, to save his life. Appaling. The only thing that's even funnier is Baddel saying:

100% NATURAL!

HARD WORK.

THAT'S IT.

HARD WORK.

100% NATURAL.

  Just shocking...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[haider]

dude, he was being sarcastic...him being natural is just as believable as the 300 pound dumbell incline presses put up by Kovacs 

[shortfatugly]

Tom Prince stated that steroids were the LAST reason that anyone turned pro and was successful. Arnold Schwarzenegger himself stated that steroids were a finishing touch and Lee Haney made similar comments. Many pros have inhuman size before even dabbling in steroids. They add, on average, only 5-10% to a physique.

and you believe these people?  

[shortfatugly]

dude, he was being sarcastic...him being natural is just as believable as the 300 pound incline presses put up by Kovacs 

ACtually, these 100% natural comments by pro bbers are about synthol.  They are saying that their muscle are 'synthol free" 

No sarcasm- just no synthol.

[LuciusFox]

and you believe these people?  

 They seem like good guys to me.

[Gordon_Gekko]

Tom Prince stated that steroids were the LAST reason that anyone turned pro and was successful. Arnold Schwarzenegger himself stated that steroids were a finishing touch and Lee Haney made similar comments. Many pros have inhuman size before even dabbling in steroids. They add, on average, only 5-10% to a physique.

Exactly! And don't forget about Tom Platz - for him, steroids were only a 2% edge. As I've said before, he talked about how going on short, modest precontest cycles of steroids was like cleaning up and hand waxing his Corvette. He made this comparison many times in numerous muscle magazine articles over the years. Do I have to humble you all with references to articles by Zulak and other writers of similar integrity and expertise? Let's see the cynics among you refute such an ironclad source of honest, accurate info as the muscle mags. I'll guess next you guys will start questioning the National Enquirer.

[LuciusFox]

Exactly! And don't forget about Tom Platz - for him, steroids were only a 2% edge. As I've said before, he talked about how going on short, modest precontest cycles of steroids was like cleaning up and hand waxing his Corvette. He made this comparison many times in numerous muscle magazine articles over the years. Do I have to humble you all with references to articles by Zulak and other writers of similar integrity and expertise? Let's see the cynics among you refute such an ironclad source of honest, accurate info as the muscle mags. I'll guess next you guys will start questioning the National Enquirer.

 Yeah, they are so desperate that they are willing to do anything but accept the truth. Platz and the two Mr. Olympias I mentioned have 15 titles between them , definitely know what they are talking about. Like wax on a Corvette indeed. That backs up my assertion that steroids are like a tan.

[sarcasm]

finishing touch?  Then why didn't Gabe Kapler get as big as Barry Bonds?

Barry Bonds is big?

[shortfatugly]

They seem like good guys to me.

I thought that you were just young.... now stupid is added as well.  and 'shill'. 

a naive, stupid young shill...

best combination ever. 
 
good luck with your goals.  People like you almost always succeed. 

may you live in exciting times.

[LuciusFox]

I thought that you were just young.... now stupid is added as well.  and 'shill'. 

a naive, stupid young shill...

best combination ever. 
 
good luck with your goals.  People like you almost always succeed. 

may you live in exciting times.

 Thanks, if you are serious that is. Good luck to you, too!

[Dingleberry]

The pro's are on so much shit it would boggle your mind if they told you.

[LuciusFox]

The pro's are on so much shit it would boggle your mind if they told you.

 Tom Prince said that pros didn't have to use much because of their pro-level genetics. I'll take his word over some random guy on the internet's

[Dingleberry]

oh. Well if Tom Price said that, I stand corrected. Must be all that cell-tech causing those huge jaws, gyno, and guts. 

[LuciusFox]

oh. Well if Tom Price said that, I stand corrected. Must be all that cell-tech causing those huge jaws, gyno, and guts. 

  Prince almost gave his only begotten life because of his love for us bodybuilding fans. So that even though he would have passed on, we could enjoy bodybuilding forever.

[shortfatugly]

Exactly! And don't forget about Tom Platz - for him, steroids were only a 2% edge. As I've said before, he talked about how going on short, modest precontest cycles of steroids was like cleaning up and hand waxing his Corvette. He made this comparison many times in numerous muscle magazine articles over the years. Do I have to humble you all with references to articles by Zulak and other writers of similar integrity and expertise? Let's see the cynics among you refute such an ironclad source of honest, accurate info as the muscle mags. I'll guess next you guys will start questioning the National Enquirer.

and then this gem in response...

Yeah, they are so desperate that they are willing to do anything but accept the truth. Platz and the two Mr. Olympias I mentioned have 15 titles between them , definitely know what they are talking about. Like wax on a Corvette indeed. That backs up my assertion that steroids are like a tan.

LF- are you completely oblivious? I mean, to what is going on?   read that quote again,, the one where he mentions zulak and the national enquirer...

No one can be this lost this much so I am waiting for the other shoe to drop-

[shortfatugly]

Exactly! And don't forget about Tom Platz - for him, steroids were only a 2% edge. As I've said before, he talked about how going on short, modest precontest cycles of steroids was like cleaning up and hand waxing his Corvette. He made this comparison many times in numerous muscle magazine articles over the years. Do I have to humble you all with references to articles by Zulak and other writers of similar integrity and expertise? Let's see the cynics among you refute such an ironclad source of honest, accurate info as the muscle mags. I'll guess next you guys will start questioning the National Enquirer.

Zulak... man... that's funny. 

Short- " i get all my facts  from Flex and Muscle Mag"- Fat & ugly.

apologies to special Ed. 

[gtbro1]

Lee Priest takes next to nothing (steroids) and so did Paul Dillet.

They must just use a lot of creatine.

[phyxsius]

  You know what's amaing? That this guy has the gals to actually say it's about "hard work", even though he suffered severe kidney damage and was hooked to a dialyses machine for a month, to save his life. Appaling. The only thing that's even funnier is Baddel saying:

100% NATURAL!

HARD WORK.

THAT'S IT.

HARD WORK.

100% NATURAL.

  Just shocking...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I keep telling you that am 100% natural

[shortfatugly]

There's something almost sadly pathetic about a grown man posing in his underwear in a ballroom of a hotel.  BAdell seems too desperate.

[240 is Back]

There's something almost sadly pathetic about a grown man posing in his underwear in a ballroom of a hotel.  BAdell seems too desperate.

True.  But if you look at the sport in general, most top 25 guys are insecure by nature.  It's that very trait that usually lets them reach the top in such an ego-driven and isolated sport.

[shortfatugly]

True.  But if you look at the sport in general, most top 25 guys are insecure by nature.  It's that very trait that usually lets them reach the top in such an ego-driven and isolated sport.

very true.  and this is why I think that some people, with less ability will succeed over those people who, on the surface appear to have better talent in this area. 


The drive to prove yourself by proving other people wrong, inspite of this being ultimately detrimental to ourselves - is a very strong drive.

[Gordon_Gekko]

Zulak... man... that's funny. 

Short- " i get all my facts  from Flex and Muscle Mag"- Fat & ugly.

apologies to special Ed. 

Thanks. And while I'm giving Zulak his props, I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention how helpful the advice on sex and picking up chicks (in th column he used to write for MMI) was. He was also the first bodybuilding writer to make us all aware of the awesome power of MuscleTech supplements.

[gh15]

There's something almost sadly pathetic about a grown man posing in his underwear in a ballroom of a hotel.  BAdell seems too desperate.

hahaha thiis fuckin board is so funny you're good